From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #124 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 19 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 124 In this issue: the_dojang: Korea Trip: Soju the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #118 the_dojang: 15-year BB the_dojang: BB Testing the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #116 the_dojang: BB article the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #120 the_dojang: KTA info the_dojang: RE: Watching the goal the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Maihos Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:38:39 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Korea Trip: Soju At 05:33 AM 2/19/01 -0500, ABurrese@aol.com wrote >You'll have to try some Soju as well. In moderation of course. When I was in Korea last year members of our group put on a demonstration than included a group of college students playing traditional music. After the demo we all gathered for dinner and celebration...and boy could they celebrate! I learned a Korean college Soju drinking game too. ;) Check http://www.thekaratecenter.com/korea.html and catch the photos from the Pohang demo. (My favorite pictures are actually under "Touring Korea.") - -John Maihos Karate Center Webmaster http://thekaratecenter.com Guide to Boston http://boston.about.com ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:57:39 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #118 << I study TKD, this is extremely similar to what we recite at the end of class. Other than minor word changes the only difference is #8. For that one we say "Use good judgment before killing living things." >> Our # 8 is traditionally sited as "Be discreet in killing." It has been modified to suit the young students (and their parents!:>0) ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:07:24 EST Subject: the_dojang: 15-year BB Sorry, John, if indeed you were merely cracking a joke. I thought you were personally (and childishly) attacking my innocent observation regarding the 18 month BB comment... ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:20:34 EST Subject: the_dojang: BB Testing << My question to all the other martial artists how do YOU & yours carry out the BB tests? Also do you 'test' on weapons forms? >> I, too, am a Tang Soo Do Student. Our BB testing is open (parent's, friend's and other student's may watch) Our organization has a series of steps: 1st pretest, 2-pre test, then actual BB test. The breaking requirement is 3-breaks during a pretest, but not during the actual BB test. The BB hopefuls must submit an essay on BBism and be tested on Korean vocabulary during the test. All forms are demonstrated and Bong Hyung Chodan is done also. Ho Sin Sol and Il Soo Sik are also tested. Tang Soo! ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:51:43 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #116 << I'll be nice now because you understood my point and responded without being ugly. I appreciate that and it shows dignity. >> Thank you. We must have similar personalities; not that we are "great minds"... perhaps more like 'sarcastic minds' ;o) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:04:30 PST Subject: the_dojang: BB article FYI, there is an article in the March issue of Black Belt magazine on "The Evolution of Modern Taekwondo -- Through the Eyes of the General". Interesting views from Major General Choi. Especially the part about how early TKD has no resemblance to Karate and "Taekwondo did not evolve from Karate at all". ?!? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Scott Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 02:25:17 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #120 >From: "Maureen" >Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:38:33 -0500 >Subject: the_dojang: Black Belt Tests > No one can observe the testing except other black belts from our >federation. >This has many students disappointed (including me) but does add to the >mystique. >My husband a TKD BB from many moons ago said his BB was open (by >invitation)... >My question to all the other martial artists how do YOU & yours carry out >the BB tests? Along time ago and far far away we had this policy as well. To tell the truth I liked it better. The testing was all day we covered everything and it was a very serious challenge. When the testing was opened up to spectators it became a circus. The test had to be shorter because spectators complained that they didn't want to sit so long. They were always talking and taking pictures at inappropriate times, AND then the death knell. Parents started to bring kids to watch and then they wanted to have them take their testing at that time. That was when it all went to hell. Now the testing was reduced to two hours because the kids had to leave, and there were more kids of lower ranks testing in the black belt testing. It became a farce. All this because the master wanted to draw more attention to the school by puting his black belts on display while they were testing... He thought it would motivate the rest of the students... no wonder he loses all his high ranking black belts. Scott ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:25:37 PST Subject: the_dojang: KTA info Taked from the KTA's website, http://www.koreataekwondo.org. Taekwondo Poomsae is meant by a "Form" in which a self-practice is devised to be performed in following the lines of movement in a systematic and consecutive way against an imaginary opponent or multi-opponents by using various Taekwondo technics of hand and foot. Through practising Taekwondo Poomsae, we can apply the technics of hand and foot and the changes of stance learned from the basic technics adaptably to an actual fighting. It also provides us with the effection improving flexibility of body and being skilled in strength control, balance control, breath control, eye control and concentration of spirit, as well as cultivating martial art spirit through its mental discipline. A taekwondo 'Poomsae' comprises various stance, each with its peculiar nature but each blending into the other. A 'poomsae' consists of about two dozen stances interconnected. Blocking, punching, striking, thrusting and kicking are among Taekwondo Poomsae, and these are properly carried out with hands, fists and feet to the vital sport of the body or target at which they aimed, and the stances accordingly chnge forward stance, back stance, cat stance and horseriding stance, etc. as the situation requires. Most typical 'Poomsae' are Palgwe I-VIII, Taeguk I-VIII, koryo, Kumgang, Taeback, Pyongwon, Shipjin, Jitae, Chunkwon, Hansoo and Ilyeo. Meaning of each Poomsae: TAEGUK : This represents the most profound oriental philosophy from which philosophical views on the world, cosmos and life are derived. The Taeguk Poomsae consists of different movements in sequence. The vital points of this Poomsae are to make exact the speed of breath and action and move the body weight properly while executing speedy actions. Thus we can fully realize the main thought of Taeguk. PALGWE : Supplementary Training. The thought of Palgwe, another concept of the ancient Oriental Philosophy, implies symbolically all the phenomena of man and universe. KORYO : Koryo is the name of an ancient dynasty in the Korean peninsula. The English name of "Korea" originated from the name of this "Koryo" dynasty with which was famed for the valiant spirit of its people which they defeated the Mongolian aggression. Koryo Poomsae is based on spirit of / sonbae(Sonbi) which was inherited from Koruryo to Balhae and to Koryo. Songae means strong martial art and honest spirit of scholars. KUMGANG : The word "Kumgang" has originally the meaning of being too strong to be broken. Also in Buddhism, what can break off every agony of mind with combination of wisdom and virtue is called "Kumgang". The Poomsae "Kumgang" is named after Mount Kumgang, symbol of solidity. "kumgan"is also anlogous of "diamond". TAEBACK : "Taeback" is the ancient name of Mount Paekdu where the legendary Tangun founded a nation for the first time in the Korean peninsula 4,329 years ago on Tangun calendar (1996 A.D.=4329 Tangun year). Poomsae "Taeback" takes its principles of movement from the word "Taeback" which means being looked up to as sacred. PYONGWON : "Pyongwon" is meant by 'vast plain'. The plain is a source of sustaining the human life and, on the other hand, a great open plain stretching out endlessly gives us a feeling of majesty that is different from what we feel with a mountain or the sea. An application of the providence of the plain which is blessed with abundance and grace as well as boundless vastness into the practice of Taekwondo is Poomse Pyongwon (plain). SHIPJIN : Shipjin has the meaning of 'decimal system' which stands for a symbolical figure of 10 meaning endless development and growth in a systematic order. In Poomse shipjin, stability is sought in every chnage of movements. JITAE : According to the oriental belief, all living things come from and return to the earth(Jitae is derived from the meaning of the earth). The earth is indeed the orining and terminal of life. Living things as well as all the natural phenomena of the earth Poomsae "Jitae" is the movement which supplies these features of the earth. CHUNKWON : Chunkown" signifies the sky. From ancient times the orientals have always believed and worshiped the sky as ruler of the universe and human beings. The infinitely vast sky may be a mysterious and profound world of imagination in the eyes of finite human beings. Poomsae Chunkwon is composed of the motions which are full of piery and vitality. HANSOO : Poomsae "hansoo" derived from the word 'water' is typical with its fluidity and adaptability as manifested in the nature of water. ILYEO : "Ilyeo" signifies oneness. In buddhism the state of spiritual cultivation is said to be "Ilyeo"(oneness), in which body and mind, I(subject) and you(object), spirit and substance are unified into oneness. The ultimate ideal of Taekwondo lies in this state of Ilyeo. The final goal Taekwondo pursues is indeed a discipline in which we concentrate attention pursues is indeed a discipline in which we concentrate attention on every movement, shaking off all worldly thoughts and obsessions. KTA OLYMPIC PARK 88-2, ORYUN-DONG, SONGPA-GU SEOUL, KOREA Tel:(02)420-4271 A-3 Fax:(02)420-4274 ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:13:48 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Watching the goal > From: "Mac" > Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:41:33 -0600 > Subject: the_dojang: Time > > "With one eye > always on the goal you only have one eye left for the path." > > Without the goal, which path would you take? Goals are extremely > important, > without one, and 'keeping one eye on the goal', it would be impossible to > follow the path. > > Mac > (just thinking out loud...) > > Absolutely! Not paying attention to the goal leads to aimless wandering. While the destination is not the end-all, neither is the journey. You can't really have one without the other. Kerry WTF TKD ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:48:07 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #124 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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