From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #141 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 28 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 141 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #140 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest// DILLMAN SEMINAR the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #140 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #140 the_dojang: Choi Kwang Do/Hupkwondo the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #139 the_dojang: Re: Jackie Stern the_dojang: RE:the cost of what they are faking the_dojang: Dillman the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:44:38 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #140 Dear Charles: I'm gonna bet that with over 300 people mixing about over a three day period we probably passed more than a few times. The whole experience really needs to be lived to be appreciated, ne? And while I won't be able to make it in August, there is always next February, right? Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Stickfighter27@cs.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:26:14 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest// DILLMAN SEMINAR Hi I'd like to state that though I have not been to a "Dillman"seminar I have a friend I have been working out with that has been to several of his seminars and has some of his VHS tapes on Collection and he has shared them with me, I find them to be a very good learning tool with the pressure points, since I work in Corrections. My friend Mr. Bays and I were together working on some FMA and some of Dillmans theories and principles tonite and I happend to remember this column about some one looking for anyone who has been to his seminars and graciously asked him to comment on this forum about this. Im sure he will be on in due time to answer some questions, or to help with any misunderstandings some may have or have not.... I cant fully say anything about the man other than the Video's that I have seen wich from my perspective are phenominal and is very good training. In fact Im going to email Mr. Bays and remind him to log onto this forum so he can share his experiences... thanks C.B. ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:07:14 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #140 In a message dated 2/27/01 7:26:33 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Gary, Do you still do one, two and/or three step sparring? Also, do you train with weapons? Danny Dunn >> I teach 10 one steps. We mostly do them "in the air", sometimes with a partner. Don't really like them due to the fact that they don't take into consideration body reaction to strikes and kicks. So why do I still teach them? The reason is this. When you line up 40-50 people for a demo and everyone can do these one steps together, it looks great. Also, I've kept them "just for old times sake", or tradition's sake. The only weapon I teach is the cane. I love it. Played around with kali some, liked it but don't like to spend much time on a weapon I can't carry with me. The cane is not a requirement in my tkd program. Your comments are welcome. gary pieratt New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:09:07 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #140 In a message dated 2/27/01 7:26:33 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Gary, Do you still do one, two and/or three step sparring? Also, do you train with weapons? Danny Dunn >> One other comment on the one steps. i still do them becasue I loved TSD, and my one steps are from my TSD curriculum. I only switched due to necessity (no longer had a TSD instructor) gary New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:54:36 EST Subject: the_dojang: Choi Kwang Do/Hupkwondo has anyone on this list had any experience or have any knowledge on the two arts regularly advertised in TKD Times: Choi Kwang Do and also Hupkwondo. If so, your comments please. gary pieratt New CKC Web Page Birthdays are good for you: the more you have the longer you live. :) ------------------------------ From: Neal Konecky Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:16:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #139 Whilw we are on the topic of forms, does anyone know the origin of the tae geuk forms and the background of their creator?? Neal Konecky __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:32:42 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Jackie Stern I believe the certifying authorities for TGT were onto him in a minute! "There you have it. Jack Stern, Jackie Stern, etc. is a liar, a fraud, a fake, an embarassment to the US Armed Forces, a baiter and a bully of legitimate martial artists, a self promotionist extrordinaire. I suggest anyone allied with this man disengage from him. Do not provide a living for this blood sucking phony, do not degrade your practice." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:00:52 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE:the cost of what they are faking Dear Mr. Bushman: I am taking a moment to thank you for posting the information you did and to ask members of the DD to take a moment themselves and consider the magnitude of the travesty which you are speaking of. As both a RVN vet as well as a psychologist who routinely works within the VA system I will tell you that the average US citizen has little idea of the terrible personal cost of the "medals" legitimate veterans wear. In our media society the American public sees the ceremonies conducted on the White House lawn for the camera and journalists and counts this as closure to some general cycle in which a neophyte went to war, matured to manhood, exceeded expectations and was recognized for it. Case closed. Not quite. Though the president has gone back to the Oval Office and the TV public has switched over to Game-of-the-Week that vet looks forward to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and all its attendent horrors for the rest of his natural life. This includes nightmares and night horrors, profuse night sweats, startle responses and hyper-vigilance. He will have trouble establishing and maintaining meaningful relationships resulting in repeated attempts and repeated failures including lost friendships and serial marriage. On a daily basis he will suffer from depression, survivors guilt and self-recrimination from all the conflicted feelings associated with whatever he was required to do in combat. Out of despair in dealing with this daily pain he will consider, and often engage in, drugs, alcohol abuse, and suicidal behavior. When death finally takes him, it will probably be at an age earlier than the national norm, in isolation from the comfort and attendance of society and often under less than comfortable perhaps even violent circumstances. It is easy to see why my clients often identify those of their fellows who died in battle as "the lucky ones". For years in our society, wearing a tattoo was a sign of rebellion, mental and physical toughness, a badge of rugged individualism. I think for these reasons many young men submit to tattooing so as to bathe in the reflected glow of this romaticism. There are, likewise, individuals who, having done nothing else with their lives, and, unwilling or unable to pay the actual cost, desire to bathe in the reflected light of some romantic view of the combat veteran. While they sport the jungle boots and fatigue pants, the field jacket and the ribbons, know the buzzwords and locations, they have no idea of the hell visited on the true veteran at 3 am on any given morning. I work hard not to mean these people any evil, though it is my belief that God has reserved a special corner of Hell for their repose. Thanks again for taking time to draw our attention to this condition. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:05:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Dillman Bruce wrote "4.) S Dillman has done quite a bit to raise the level of examination of Kata from the standpoint of bunkai (application). I think his work from this standpoint has been a real service to the MA community. I personally believe that he may attribute a level of sophistication to the use of accupressure points and meridians that would not have ordinarily been associated with Okinawan MA. That's not to say that some of the conclusions he draws couldn't be accurate, only that from what I have read and experienced such applications would have been unlikely from a historical point of view. " Someone in Jackson said "oh, you're the guy with the long posts " so I'll be brief. I would echo all of Bruce's points, but couldn't resist a little embellishment. S. Dillman goes on to explain how pressure points can set up joint manipulations, and joint manipulations can "activate" pressure points. I have seen this principle in my humble beginnings in Hapkido (4th Gup), but am reminded often by my instructors, don't worry about the pressure point if you don't have the "lock." Using Bunkai with Hyungs training helps us to see possibilities for combat sequences. Many "multiple pp strikes" (IMHO) allow for the "oops the first techniques missed or didn't work" (Murphy's Law) principle. Others imply a joint manipulation setting up a pressure point strike. I will be the first to admit, striking two or three quarter sized points in dynamic combat is beyond my skill level. However, I could probably get one out of three thanks to the muscle memory and focus provided through serious hyungs training, or use a trap/skeletal lock to hold a pressure point still long enough for the correct pressure point strike . Again (IMHO) hyungs memorization without some bunkai (pressure point/joint manipulation in my case) leads one down the trail of "organized despair ." Yours in Jung Do, Charles (Long Wind) Richards Moja Kwan TSD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 8:15:25 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #141 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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