From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #155 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 9 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 155 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Book Worms Unite!! the_dojang: Re: Monks the_dojang: RE: For Fan fans the_dojang: Kido Seminar in Chicago the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #154 the_dojang: Hapkido Seminar the_dojang: Re: Mr. Gordon the_dojang: Gymkata and reviving old martial arts the_dojang: Heckler & Koch offer the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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I'll add a quick "me, too" and also ask that if DD subscribers are aware of a reliable source for Korean books on history, culture and martial arts, would you please share the wealth. I have tried the website for the Kyobo Bookstore as well as some of the UCLA options and have not had any luck there. I have also tried ALADINUS out of California and a resource in New York (the name escapes me right now) and have not had much luck there either. I know that some folks have been very lucky to make trips to Korea and spent gobs of time perusing the bookstores in-country. I'm hoping to find a bi-lingual resource that would afford people like me here in the States a comparable opportunity. Maybe some of you types with more of a commercial bent might consider providing a finder service of some type for the rest of us, yes? Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 10:36:41 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Monks >>>>>I am amazed that people were surprized to see monks using what are everday items to everyone else.<<<<< I was not surprised to see the monks in the cars, using phones, etc. I've seen it often in the years I've lived in Asia. I think what J.R. and I both were pointing out is that many have misconceptions of monks, and it's not like the old Kung Fu TV show. And many monks drive nicer vehicles than a lot of other people. I liked the scene in The Next Karate Kid when they showed the monks as real people too. (Dancing, bowling, etc.) Many Christian Church leaders have nice things too. Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:41:10 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: For Fan fans Dear Robert: "...Does anyone happen to know where I could find any forms that use fans? I have a student interested in them and would like to find something...." I don't know of any traditional Hapkido styles that teach fan work, but have met quite a few people in Hapkido who have studied or borrowed material from other places such as the Chinese arts. I understand that KSW also incorporates fan work into its curriculum but I don't remember any books published specifically on fan work. Perhaps if M Steve Seo is on line he could make some recommendations as to resources. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:24:51 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Kido Seminar in Chicago Bruce writes: << By way of example perhaps people who attended the recent Kidohae seminar in Chicago could give some feedback on their experience. I understand that the attendance was lighter than the Internationale down in Jackson. Maybe we can learn something by comparing the learning and teaching environments of these two experiences, yes? >> One the attendance was lighter mainly because of the venue. There were about 120 participants overall for the two days. I figure there were about 100 for each day (some left and some new ones came on Sunday). Instruction was done in the classic Seo In Sun method. GM Seo would demonstrate a set of techniques (ranging in number from 3 to 6) He would show them each about three times Fast, slow, Fast. He might give a pointer or two (often in Korean and if you were lucky either one of his sons or his daughter would translate the tidbit.) Then tell you to go practice. We all paired up and practiced. Due to space restrictions full all out throwing was limited since mat space was a bit limited. Everybody worked hard and there was very little standing around. Even the few high ranking visitors (GM Cyrus, and Master De Alba) would work on techniques and help participants. Since I traveled there alone and had one two people there that I knew I had a bit of trouble finding a good uke. Which proved to be just a minor inconvenience. Many aspects were covered and brain freeze was starting to set in on Sunday afternoon. I have even almost finished learning the kihap hyung which is the main reason for me going to the seminar. Michael Rowe ------------------------------ From: "hackworth" Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:26:43 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #154 Bruce Sims wrote: "In fact I have come to believe that some of the more traditional Hapkido seminars run by transplanted Korean nationals remain somewhat small as everyone is expected to pair up and get out on the mat." I have wittnessed another seminar occurance. I traveled 5 hours down to Miami to take a seminar from a well know Korean who spent more time promoting his book than he did teaching. The material covered was only one or two steps ahead of an introductory class on Hapkido. Then only one week later at a Hapkido seminar done by an American GrandMaster, student of Yong Sool Choi, that was advertised as "Advanced Hapkido" I had to be careful not to land on the pair of 7 year olds working next to me. I have started asking what will be taught at a seminar before I drive 5 hours one way to be dissappointed. Richard Hackworth http://khfhapkido.tripod.com ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:47:09 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Seminar I agree with what Bruce, Jack, Rich, and others have been saying about how well everybody worked well together at the JR West's International Hapkido Seminar in Jackson. No one questioned me about my background, training, or organization, but worked hard on what I was teaching. From beginners to very advanced - all were trying to improve their techniques. I can't understand why someone would attend a seminar and 'not' get on the mat, kind of defeats the purpose, no matter who is teaching or what their rank is. We're all there to learn and improve. Just because someone does things a little differently, doesn't mean it's wrong, just different. Learning these differences, variations and approaches that others have improves our own techniques. You just have to leave your ego at the door. Would it help if we all just wore sweats and left our belts at home? I don't think it matters, unless like Bruce mentions you're portraying yourself to be much more than you are and can't demonstrate it on the mat. But we weren't there to prove anything either, but to work with others and learn together. (IMHO) In case anyone were to ask, I don't even hold any rank in Hapkido, and I don't pretend to - I'm a TangSooDo guy :-) I just love the attitude, skills and camaraderie I've found at JR's seminars. There's a lot of caring and support among the USKMAF members, as diverse as they are. I had to be a part of it. Mac ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:45:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Mr. Gordon Sally noted: > Wow! Mr. Gordon, I'm impressed! This is the kind of promotion Olympic Taekwondo and its athletes need and deserve and rarely see. Thank you for sharing this information with us. Sally Baughn SallyBaughn@aol.com> Note: I believe Mr. Gordon was once on TKD net ? However, he was suddenly removed with no explanation. Welcome. McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: john_mc1@talk21.com Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:28:21 GMT+00:00 Subject: the_dojang: Gymkata and reviving old martial arts Hello there, short time reader and first writer here. I have just been catching up on a backlog of DDs which I have finally got the time to read. I would like to thank all you brave people who have mentioned the film 'Gymkata', I personally have tried to erase it from my mind, but thanks to all you wonderful people the nightmares will begin again...thank you so very much. Re - reviving old martial arts in the UK, there is a book written by Terry Brown called 'English Martial Arts', published by Anglo-Saxon Books, ISBN 1-898281-18-1, which gives an overview of his martial research into, funnily enough, English Martial Arts. It is split about 50/50 between background history, philosophy, etc and techniques (both armed and unarmed). The weapons covered are - Broadsword, Quarterstaff, Sword and Dagger, Sword and Buckler, Bill. A lot of it seems repetitive, but it does show the principles common to all the weapons and their relationship with unarmed combat. All in all worth a read. Bye now John Mc Intosh. - -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:48:23 PST Subject: the_dojang: Heckler & Koch offer Heckler & Koch offer to all sworn U.S. Law Enforcement Officers expires March 31, 2001 To introduce the special HK Law Enforcement Sales Program for the .40 Caliber USP40 Compact Double-Action Only Pistol with 7.5 to 8.5 pound LEM trigger pull. HK is offering this pistol to individual LEOs at a special price for a limited time. USP40 compact-LEM pistol, p/n 704037LEM-002 with three 12-round magazines & tritium sights (installed). $549.00. Shipping & handling included in this price. Your complete order should be mailed to: Heckler & Koch, Inc. 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