From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #163 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 13 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 163 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Sword Seminars the_dojang: Sword history the_dojang: Rules Changes the_dojang: Daito ryu historical info the_dojang: Gun disarms the_dojang: Michigan KSP Colloquium: Prof. Deuchler the_dojang: Re: Reflections on a Tournament the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:24:03 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Sword Seminars Dear Rudy: "...Master Rudy W. Timmerman is pleased to host the second in a series of workshops on the Korean sword...." I probably missed the original posting. Would you be willing to give some background on the material that is covered at this series of seminars. Due to a scheduling conflict I would not be able to attend this particular training, but that's not to say that I would not be interested in future activities. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 9:31:18 PST Subject: the_dojang: Sword history Some interesting reading at this URL: http://swordhistory.com. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:51:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Rules Changes Gregg London wrote: <> We train with multiple types of sparring. Of course we do one steps/drills, and limited weapons (hands only feet only) to develope skills. We do tournament style point sparring to work on speed, focus, control timing, distance, etc. We also do continuous sparing very similar to Olympic sparring except we use hand, foot and headgear, and allow hand techniques to the headgear. As my students progress, we will also try to work in some "street"/JKD style sparring which would include zone 3 (below waist) attatcks, and trapping, sweeps, throws, and chokes. Of course none of the above includes joint strikes, or dynamic joint locks, which brings me to my point. All sparring for training or sport purposes must have rules to control safety. Each player can look at the rules and determine if they have the skills to work within a particular set of rules. All are helpful in developing skills for "realistic" fighting, and all can simulate the mindset needed to succeed in hand to hand battle. Gregg brings out some good points. Sport is entertainment, to survive it must evolve to meet the desires of it's fans (market). Why do you think we now have arena AND extreme football in the off-season, and more rules to protect the passer in the NFL. I would agree two 140 pound players doing 360 spin hook kicks to the head and scoring three points is more exciting than watching two guys my size trying to "create space" and wallup each other with a full power back leg round kick (for one point). The shorter rounds will also get more dynamic techniques in per round versus longer rounds with more clinching, conserving energy, and manuevering for openings. Even the circular ring with less warning area will add to the action level. So my VHO would be the proposed changes will enhance the sport and it's popularity. But, IMVHO one should include some type of non-sport oriented sparring if you are training for self defense purposes. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD P.S. The engineer in me is wondering how to explain to a youth setup crew, how to layout a circular ring using gymfloor tape Of course we could approximate a circle with an octagon..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:15:16 PST Subject: the_dojang: Daito ryu historical info Daito ryu info... http://www.daito-ryu.com/english/pag4.htm. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Wmakarate@aol.com Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:06:34 EST Subject: the_dojang: Gun disarms In a message dated 3/12/01 11:46:19 AM, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << George wrote: >> Has anyone seen a video series on gun disarms produced TRS (Threat Response Solutions). The instructors claim that through their trial and error research (using real handguns with wax bullets) they found that clearing the weapon to the inside of the attackers body (pushing on the back of the hand holding the weapon) will cause them to pull the trigger involuntarily much more so than clearing the weapon to the outside. I have never heard this before, do others use this principle in their handgun training? << Yes, Hwarang Do. But then, Randy Wanner's background is in Hwarang Do :-) Carsten Jorgensen hwarangdo@email.com Copenhagen, Denmark >> I train with Britain's Vince Morris, who trains special forces and swat teams around Europe. I showed him the tape, which I bought, and his observation was that the demonstrator's hands were starting from too high from a "hands up" position. Indeed, when we tried this with a S&W .357 revolver, and a Browning 9mm, lowering our hands to about shoulder level and slightly forward, we were able to consistently "beat the click" from a closing position. BTW, Vince will be here in Phoenix/Scottsdale AZ April 5 & 6 for two days of GREAT seminars, applicable to any system or style. Contact me offline for more details. Mike Anderson ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:26:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Michigan KSP Colloquium: Prof. Deuchler The University of Michigan Korean Studies Colloquium Series presents: Martina Deuchler Professor of Korean Studies, History Department School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London "Building up the Countryside: Landed Elites in Mid-Dynastic Choson Korea" This lecture explores the fate of landed elites in the Andong area in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries who no longer had close ties to the political center in Seoul. If political participation was no longer a viable option, how did they maintain their elite status in the deep countryside? It will be argued that under the influence of Yi T'oegye, scholarship and learning became socially acceptable substitutes for office-holding. In fact, the term "literatus" no longer merely meant a "scholar;" it gradually evolved into a synonym of high social status. Tuesday, March 20, 2001, 4:00-7:00 p.m. 1080 South University International Institute, SSWB #1644 Light refreshments will be served. If you have any questions regarding the colloquium series, please contact Kristy Demas, KSP Administrator, at kdemas@umich.edu. Henry H. Em Assistant Professor Dept. of Asian Lang. & Cultures 3070 Frieze Building University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1285 Tel: (734) 763-3556 (of) email: henryem@umich.edu ------------------------------ From: drewg.gassiot@att.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:55:43 +0000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Reflections on a Tournament Donnla, I'm not sure what you use for a scorring criteria. The last WTF sparring I watched was not a sanctioned match, but they used 1 point for front hand jab, 2 points for back hand punch, and three points for a kick. The technique had to be "clean". I saw a lot of back leg techniques here as well. A favorite seemed to be a reverse side or back kick followed by a round kick. HeadGear was "open", but not the face. There was alse a mixture of "clashes" and continous sparring. Anyway I'm in the ATA and tournaments are stop/start. Points are punch/kick body targets - 1 point, kick head/ jump kick body - 2 points, jump kick head 3 points. Injuries are typically bloody noses, busted lips and a few black eyes with some folks getting the wind knocked out of them maybe some bruised ribs as a result for good measure. There are always EMT's around and they are often busy. To score you need a "clean" hit, in upper ranks it used to be enough to move the body, but with (ahem) control. I think the rules have changed this year to just be a clean hit. There are a lot of front leg techniques used to get a quick point. These are typically more a distraction technique that should be followed up with something better, but hey someone yell's "break" and points are called. Many folks still open with a reverse or a spin but they are usually not effective. Sparring in class is always set in continous rounds also called free sparring, and may include punching to the head depending on the class. I think the really big difference is that in a light contact tournament, your opponent is not "supposed" to be going for that knockout blow. Just getting in the clean techniques to win the round. Full contact is more like a boxing match, where a knockout indicates a clear win. In a prior style, Gung Fu, there was no contact, and a lot of one steps. Regards, DREW ATA 1st Degree ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:39:01 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #163 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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