From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #180 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 19 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 180 In this issue: Subject: the_dojang: Which KHA? the_dojang: Black Belt Testing the_dojang: Then Why Do They Ask? the_dojang: Respect My Passion For Hapkido the_dojang: Hoshinsool vs Hapkido Re: the_dojang: Then Why Do They Ask? the_dojang: Sharing Freely, Openly & Honestly the_dojang: Krav Maga inc. Instructor Course the_dojang: Testing the_dojang: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #179 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #179 the_dojang: slight address change the_dojang: Hapkido Organizations the_dojang: Hwarangdo the_dojang: Re: Dan Bong the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #178 the_dojang: Re: KHF the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WEE Shin Hoe" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:19:22 +0800 Subject: Subject: the_dojang: Which KHA? Before we discuss about KHA, can someone clarify about the KHA they were refering to. Better still, please include its Korean name. To the best of my knowledge, there is a KoreaN Hapkido Association and KoreA Hapkido Association. On top of that, there is a Korea Hapkido Association that was formed by GM Ji Han-Jae and latter disbanded and then resurrected by GM Hwang Duk-Kyu or according to KHF version, resurrected by GM Oh Se-Lim as Korea Hapkido Federation. I would appreciate it very much, if some knowledgeble DD members can tell me some history of the current three Hapkido associations that are recognised by Korean government and who is in-charge now. On the Kidohae, if you look at the 31 styles they represented, a great majority are derivatives or related to Hapkido. So IMVHO, the Kidohae do has the right to represent Hapkido. Frankly speaking, I don't give a damm how big the organisation is or how many styles it represents. The important thing is how good it maintains the integrity and quality of the arts it represented and the quality of its members. Harvard & MIT do not become famous by having the most students. Just my $0.02. Sincerely, S.H. Wee shinhoe@pc.jaring.my ------------------------------ From: "Meghan Gardner" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:35:50 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Black Belt Testing Ken wrote: <> Our black belt testings are rather unique... they contain very little in the way of "precise technique". They are 36 continuous hours of testing in the less tangible traits of honor, loyalty, leadership, discipline, problem-solving, endurance (despite lack of food and sleep) and spirit. For first hand essays regarding the testing experience, visit our website: www.guardup.com/amwa. However, be aware that the essays do not provide many specific scenario examples due to the fact that all black belts are sworn to secrecy so that those who test later can appreciate the surprises in store. :) Meghan Gardner Director Guard Up, Inc. www.guardup.com "Always carry love in your heart, and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: Hottstuff5344105@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:47:30 EST Subject: the_dojang: Then Why Do They Ask? Ray Terry wrote: "No secret there, that has been mentioned here before. No shame in it either, and please never attempt to claim otherwise here in this forum." Then why would a long time hapkido practitioner ask about the who's who and what's what of Hapkido orgs and history? "For all... We have many folks here that work hard for their information. What seems to differentiate people are those that share their info freely, openly and honestly vs. those that want folks to come beg for it. Here we share info freely and openly, those that do not are moved on. Not meant to be a threat to anyone, just the facts." Ray, I spend hours answering questions in personal e-mails to people asking me questions from DD. I do give freely, openly and honestly. There are about a dozen list members who I have mailed FREE khf requirement handbooks to along with a Korean Terminology handbook that I had written. Some people that used to call me frequently stopped once I became a member of DD because they could no longer call me for the answer to a question and post here without my knowing. Some of these guys should have put quotation marks around their answers and listed me as the source. Richard Hackworth http://hometown.aol.com/thekhf ------------------------------ From: Hottstuff5344105@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:01:27 EST Subject: the_dojang: Respect My Passion For Hapkido Steve wrote: "Please cease stop with the thinly veiled disparging comments. I will endeavor to respect your point of view, but you will stop with these pot shots or I will cease to engage in any dialogue with you." You are right. I appologize. As I said in an earlier post this is my life, my passion. But sometimes I let my emotions and passion for hapkido over-ride my judgement. Next time I will take a few deep breaths and count to 10 before I begin typing a posting. I also think that the shopping cart analogy was not taken in the way I meant it. I hope that no-one was offended. Richard Hackworth http://khfhapkido.tripod.com ------------------------------ From: Hottstuff5344105@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:08:23 EST Subject: the_dojang: Hoshinsool vs Hapkido Hapkido and Hoshinsool are two separate things. There is Taekwondo Hoshinsool, TangSooDo Hoshinsool and Hapkido Hoshinsool and on and on. Each style has its own self defense skills and techniques. I am sure that there are TKD schools who practice self defense techniques without teaching Hapkido. JungDoKwan Taekwondo is famous for its self defense techniques and they rarely resemble anything that could be mistaken for Hapkido. Richard Hackworth www.pbms4me.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:40:00 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Then Why Do They Ask? > Then why would a long time hapkido practitioner ask about the who's who and > what's what of Hapkido orgs and history? Various... Perhaps they haven't searched the archives. Or perhaps they actually do have a new question. Or perhaps it is just a test. Or??? Any number of possible reasons. > Ray, I spend hours answering questions in personal e-mails to people asking > me questions from DD. As do many others. Sorry, nothing very special there. Perhaps think of answering them here in public to save you, me, and many others from having to answer the same question numerous times. Plus the responses are then available to future researchers by mining the forum's open archives. Also consider what a good researcher may do, ask the same question to several different people to see what different answers come forth. This is perhaps the best way to get as close to the facts as possible as seldom does ANY one person actually have the whole truth. Yes? FWIW, we had a former member here that thought he knew all the answers. So much so that he never took the opportunity to learn from others on the list. After all why should he, he already had all the answers. Interestingly those folks usually have more to learn than they have to offer. Just making a point, nothing more. As I've always found in business and the arts, those that think they know the most often know the least. And I have to remind myself of that every so often... Now I'll stop whining and quibbling if others will, too. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Hottstuff5344105@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:20:23 EST Subject: the_dojang: Sharing Freely, Openly & Honestly There are very few people who can understand my commitment to what I do. I want to see martial arts taught as a way for people to improve every aspect of their lives. I want for every instructor to succeed because I fully appreciate the many sacrifices that you make as instructors to earn your rankings and instructors certifications. Being a full time professional martial arts instructor is a very demanding thing because you not only have to be a martial arts expert, an expert at teaching and motivating, but an expert at business leadership as well. I will be giving out free business success materials at www.pbms4me.com . Anyone who wants to make their school better and learn how to improve the lives of their students on a greater scale can go their and download my information absolutely FREE. Richard Hackworth www.pbms4me.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:36:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Krav Maga inc. Instructor Course Forwarding. FWIW. Ray ------------------------------------------------------------------ Instructor Course Thank you for your interest in Krav Maga Inc. the Official self-defense system of Israel. Krav Maga is a very modern and practical style of self-defense. This system has been continually refined and developed in light of actual modern combat and self-defense experience. Krav Maga provides the practitioner with a concrete and effective way to preserve one's safety. Krav Maga Inc. also offers an extremely intensive 150-Hr./14-Day course of instruction to certify Krav Maga Instructors, given under the auspices of and in conjunction with staff from The Academy of Krav Maga in Israel. These courses have rank and/or experience pre-requisites, so please contact us for further information regarding them. You may be required to submit your martial arts credentials or resume. This summer's Krav Maga Instructor Degree course is not far away. Keeping that in mind it's important that plans are implemented soon to ensure the best possible seminar for all; enclosed you will find information to prepare you for this intensive course. Following is a breakdown of the Instructor course. * Anatomy 4-Hrs. * Physiology 4-Hrs. * Physical Fitness 4-Hrs. * Methodology 4-Hrs. * Psychology 4-Hrs. * American Red Cross First Aid & Adult CPR 8-Hrs. * Practical Training, Individual Skills, & Training Theory 122-Hrs. The course is going to be taught by our special guest, Haim Zut, direct from Israel and The Academy of Krav Maga. Mr. Zut is the president of Krav Maga International and its highest ranking individual in the style. Mr. Zut will be bringing an Academy of Krav Maga authority on human physiology, as well. Krav Maga Inc. will provide a teacher to certify students in American Red Cross First Aid & Adult CPR. The Krav Maga Instructor Course proposed dates are as follows: Friday, July 6, 2001 through to: Saturday, July 21, 2001 Classes meet everyday* for 10-Hrs. (lunch break included) All Students must have the following materials everyday: * Clipboard * Writing Tablet/Notebook * Pens/Pencils * Gun/Knife/Stick * Shinguards/Protective Cup * Wrestling or Martial Art Shoes * Mouthpiece * Gi/Krav Maga T-Shirts (2) * Krav Maga Headgear/Boxing Gloves Instructor Course Fee: $1750.00 A $600.00 non-refundable deposit must me made by Saturday, May 5, 2001. Full payment of $1750.00 must be made by Tuesday, June 5, 2001. Make payment by check to: Krav Maga Inc. P.O. Box 335 New York, NY 10028 *Classes do not meet: Sunday July 8, & Sunday, July 15, 2001 Thank you again for your interest. If you have additional questions, please contact us at 1.888.KRAV MAGA. Sincerely, Katrina Kothe Instructor Krav Maga Inc. ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:20:25 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Testing A reader asks: > I was pondering whether a black belt test should include all of the > techniques the student has learned on their journey to that test or only be > tested on the new techniques learned from 1st Gup. IMHO, a test should look at all the information the applicant has to offer. In my dojang, I want to see everything to ensure that the old material has not been simply swapped for new material. Our curriculum is like a building, I want to make sure the foundation is still OK before investing into a new roof. In fact, I expect the old material to improve with age. Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts Association. ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:33:42 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Ray writes: > No secret there, that has been mentioned here before. No shame in it either, Nice touch Ray: Rudy ------------------------------ From: Powrscrol@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:31:38 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #179 In a message dated 3/18/01 6:42:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Hi, i was just wondering if anyone had any info or some good site that have info about kempo karate, thank you >> What kind of info. are you looking for? Steve W. Society of Te Empty Hands Can Do http://www.powrscrol.com/ ------------------------------ From: Powrscrol@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:31:36 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #179 In a message dated 3/18/01 6:42:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << All three times they cashed my checks and sent me nothing. I was hoping that info from their newsletters could make for useful tips in class, but I was wrong because I got nodda for my money. >> If you wanna get more than your money's worth, check out http://www.powrscrol.com/ Steve W. ------------------------------ From: "Anthony or Clare Boyd" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:01:19 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: slight address change The website address for the World Haidong Gumdo Federation has been expanded to include www.haidonggumdo.com and is not exclusively www.haidonggumdo.co.kr in case that makes it easier to remember. Both urls work. Got Sword? http://welcome.to/haidonggumdo ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 05:01:35 EST Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Organizations Anyone out there in list land Have experiences good & bad with any of the various Hapkido organizations? any pros and cons about joining one over the other? ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi15@netscape.net Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:53:59 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hwarangdo Although I practiced Hapkido here in Seoul, Korea, I am curious about something. Perhaps our hwarangdo friends can help. When I go to church on Sundays, I pass by a dojang in the Yongsan (where the US Army headquarters are). The window says in Korean, sadan bubin kukjea hwarangdo yunmeng (translated, Non-Profit Int'l Hwanrangdo Federation). Is that school affilliated with Grandmaster Joo Bang Lee? Interestingly enough, the windows also say hapkido. I've heard that originally GM J.B. Lee originally called his style hwarang-kwan hapkido. Then, when he went to the US, it changed to hwarangdo. (That seems to be the trend, once people go to the US, they establish their own martial art.) Sincerely, Michael Choi __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi15@netscape.net Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:59:12 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Dan Bong Master Lee told me that when striking with the dan bong, one uses the same motion as striking a drum. Or in other words, the action is exactly the same as playing the drums. When I was in junior high, tried learning how to do a drum roll on a snare drum. Although I was never able to do it, I got the concept. First of all, let the stick hang "loose" in the web of the hand. Second, use the lower fingers (i.e., the last three) to manipulate the drum stick. That way, one can repeatedly strike the drum in quick succession. Sincerely, Michael Choi > I can't speak for "Hapkido" (whatever that is), but in Hwarang Do the use of the Danbong comes from the Buddhist drumsticks - those they use on the Drum of the Law and the Wooden Fish etc. Those of you who've seen them know what I mean. > That's where the wristsnap, double danbong etc comes from. Very simple when you know the background :-) > > Carsten Jorgensen > hwarangdo@email.com > Copenhagen, Denmark __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi15@netscape.net Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:13:34 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #178 I do not know if Grandmaster S. Henry Cho subscribes to Dojang Digest, but what an honor it is to have a posting in the Dojang Digest from him. He is one the greatest Korean martial arts master in the United States. Although I am a Long Island native, I never had the privilege of meeting him. I do recognize that he helped put Taekwondo "on the map" in the United States. Thank you kwanjangnim for your posting. Sincerely, Michael Choi (currently residing in Seoul, Korea) > > From: AAOTourney@aol.com > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:47:58 EST > Subject: the_dojang: 2001 All American Open Championships > > Hi: > > My thirty-seventh (37th) annual All American Open Karate/Tae Kwon Do/Kung-Fu > Championships is less than one week away ....  This year it will be held on > Saturday, March 24, 2001 at the Draddy Gymnasium of Manhattan College in > Riverdale, NY (the Bronx).  I have included an attachment with further > details on the Championships such as directions, time, location and the like. >   > > If you are coming to the Championships this year and plan to help me > officiate, then please let > me know at your earliest convenience so that I can hold your admission ticket > at the door.  The organizational meeting for Judges and Referees will > commence at 9:45 am promptly. > > If you require any additional information, then please reply to this email > message. > > I hope to see you next Saturday. > > S. Henry Cho > henrycho@aol.com > http://www.henrycho.com __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi15@netscape.net Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:15:28 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: KHF The KHF videos can be bought at Moo Sool Sa or World Sports (sic) which are both near Dongdaemun Stadium. They also sell IHF and Hoijeon MooSool videos. Sincerely, Michael Choi __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 6:53:59 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #180 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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