From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #182 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 19 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 182 In this issue: the_dojang: Doctoral Dissertations the_dojang: RE: Moo Ye Kwan the_dojang: Controversy the_dojang: Moo Ye Kwan the_dojang: RE:Changing Boundaries the_dojang: Irony & Ji Han Jae the_dojang: RE: Signing as a Martial endeavor Re: the_dojang: Irony & Ji Han Jae the_dojang: what is my name? the_dojang: Re: Straight Forward Answers the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #181 the_dojang: Re: Question For Richard Hackworth the_dojang: Test the_dojang: Stick Stuff the_dojang: Kidohae in Seoul the_dojang: mooyekwan the_dojang: GM Ji's Hapkido the_dojang: attn female black belts the_dojang: RE: Should Black Belt testing be cumulative or just the techniques since last promotion the_dojang: Black Belt Journey the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:02:42 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Doctoral Dissertations Hi folks, I was looking through the old email and noticed a discussion of Ph.D.s on the web. I went looking through the UMI Dissertation Abstracts again, and still can't find the abstracts for Richard Hackworth, He-Young Kimm, or Scott Shaw. All I can find is an abstract for Mr. Shaw's M.A. thesis, which is as follows: PUBLICATION NUMBER AAT 1387545 TITLE Marguerite Duras and Charles Bukowski: The yin and yang of twentieth century erotic literature (France) AUTHOR Shaw, Scott DEGREE MA SCHOOL CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY, DOMINGUEZ HILLS DATE 1997 PAGES 155 ISBN 0-591-64559-9 SOURCE MAI 36/02, p. 346, Apr 1998 SUBJECT LITERATURE, MODERN (0298); LITERATURE, COMPARATIVE (0295); LITERATURE, AMERICAN (0591); LITERATURE, ROMANCE (0313) DIGITAL FORMATS 5.31Mb image-only PDF In their literature Marguerite Duras and Charles Bukowski each presented unique autobiographical voices: female and male respectively. From these voices one often finds their literature defining the realms of modern eroticism. It is the purpose of this thesis to prove that Marguerite Duras and Charles Bukowski were each dramatically shaped by their early life experiences. From their early negative exposure and emotional indoctrination to life, Duras and Bukowski each developed as individuals who, at a young age, acted out behavior which was in direct conflict with the commonly accepted standard of their individual societal norms. From the moment these authors made the adolescent choices which they did, the rest of their physical, emotional, and ultimately literary existence was defined. In order to substantiate the facts of this thesis the biographical texts, autobiographical works, and the self-revealing literature of these two authors are studied. This thesis is available through OCLC, where it is numbered OCLC: 39609336. =============== My own dissertation info was: PUBLICATION NUMBER AAT 9962698 TITLE The American way of fighting: Unarmed defense in the United States, 1845--1945 AUTHOR Burdick, Dakin Robert DEGREE PhD SCHOOL INDIANA UNIVERSITY DATE 1999 PAGES 357 ADVISER Thelen, David ISBN 0-599-66796-6 SOURCE DAI-A 61/02, p. 737, Aug 2000 SUBJECT HISTORY, UNITED STATES (0337); EDUCATION, PHYSICAL (0523); HISTORY, MODERN (0582) DIGITAL FORMATS 17.16Mb image-only PDF 24 page Preview This dissertation examines the transformation in the American way of fighting from the rural & "manly" martial arts of England to the more cosmopolitan & "dirty fighting" techniques of the Japanese. It demonstrates the parallel development of boxing and judo from bare-knuckle boxing and jujutsu respectively into modern sports influenced by the sporting ethic of muscular Christianity. Examining numerous self-defense manuals, the Presidential papers of Theodore Roosevelt, several Japanese-American oral histories, and the records of the Y.M.C.A., this dissertation demonstrates the rise of boxing from an outlawed art to a legal sport, culminating with the instruction of American recruits in the First World War in the sport of gloved boxing. Likewise, it demonstrates the growth of the Japanese martial arts in America. The development of judo was concentrated on the Hawai'ian islands, the west coast, and the east coast. The effect of the separate and distinct models of racism in those three regions upon judo's development is also described. By the time of the Second World War, judo had become the American fighting art and replaced boxing as the form of combatives, training given to American recruits in all branches of military service. For martial artists, this transition represents a pragmatic but cyclical reinterpretation of fighting efficacy. In a larger sense, the transition from English arts to Japanese ones demonstrates the increasingly multicultural nature of modern, globalized, urban America. ================== I also found these other abstracts: PUBLICATION NUMBER AAT 7113075 TITLE RELATIONSHIP OF SELECTED PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS, FORCES, MOVEMENT TIMES, LENGTH OF TRAINING, AND RANK IN A PARTICULAR SPORT AUTHOR KIM, DAESHIK DEGREE EDD SCHOOL UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA DATE 1970 PAGES 95 SOURCE DAI-A 31/11, p. 5824, May 1971 SUBJECT EDUCATION, PHYSICAL (0523) =========== PUBLICATION NUMBER AAT 7228049 TITLE 'INSEI': ABDICATED SOVEREIGNS IN THE POLITICS OF LATE HEIAN JAPAN, 1086-1185 AUTHOR HURST, GEORGE CAMERON, III DEGREE PHD SCHOOL COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY DATE 1972 PAGES 409 SOURCE DAI-A 33/05, p. 2272, Nov 1972 SUBJECT HISTORY, MEDIEVAL (0581) ================ PUBLICATION NUMBER AAT 9011499 TITLE HIRED SWORDS: THE RISE OF PRIVATE WARRIOR POWER IN EARLY JAPAN (SAMURAI, HEIAN JAPAN) AUTHOR FRIDAY, KARL F. DEGREE PHD SCHOOL STANFORD UNIVERSITY DATE 1989 PAGES 332 ADVISER MASS, JEFFREY P. SOURCE DAI-A 50/12, p. 4065, Jun 1990 SUBJECT HISTORY, ASIA, AUSTRALIA AND OCEANIA (0332) DIGITAL FORMATS 9.62Mb normal PDF Heian Japan was a state seemingly without an army. From the ninth century onward Japan was defended and policed by hired swords--the private martial resources of an new order of professional mercenaries. Recent scholarship has cast considerable light on the means by which the Heian court kept provincial elites politically and economically in heel, yet several important questions await answers: Why were these gentry warriors? What factors were responsible for their militarization? Why did warriors, the only effective soldiery of the age, remain obedient to a martially impotent court for nearly 300 years? And how and why did the court put itself in the ultimately disastrous situation of contracting for its military needs with private warriors? It is on these issues that this study is centered. The failures of central government military policy loom prominently in most previous treatments of the rise of the bushi: the incompetence of the ritsuryo martial apparatus forced residents of the hinterlands to take up arms for themselves; disinterested in provincial and military affairs, and heedless of snowballing militarization in the countryside, the court was doomed to eventually perish by the sword because of its failure to live by it. This study argues that it was largely court activism, not inactivity, in martial matters that put swords in the hands of rural elites. By tracing the development of military institutions from the seventh through the twelfth century, I demonstrate that, from the inception of the ritsuryo military system at the turn of the eighth century, court policy in both the capital and the countryside followed a long-term pattern of increasing reliance on the martial skills of the gentry and of diminishing the use of troops conscripted from the ordinary peasantry. The emergence of a warrior order was at once a cause and a result of this pattern. I further argue that the pattern arose from the court's desire for maximum efficiency in its military institutions. Dakin Burdick, Ph.D. Associate Director Teaching Resources Center Indiana University at Bloomington Ballantine Hall 132 Bloomington, IN 47405 email: burdickd@indiana.edu www: http://php.indiana.edu/~burdickd phone: (812) 855-6869 fax: (812) 855-6410 ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:19:01 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Moo Ye Kwan Dear Mike: "...Currently Korea Hapkido Association Mooyekwan..." Just so I keep this straight, is this Master Whalens" Moo Ye Kwan (I thought he was KoreaN Hapkido Federation-could be wrong there too.) or are there more than one MooYe Kwan. I understand a "kwan" to be essentially a training hall or gym rather than "style" as some people think so it would make sense not to have just one kwan by a particular name, ne? Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: mtomlins@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:25:44 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Controversy Wow, all this controversy going on in here and I am not involved in it in any way,,, this must mean that there IS a God!!! Tension in the big house baby,, I love it!!! Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ From: mtomlins@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:29:28 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Moo Ye Kwan What happened to the Moo Ye Kwan website? It won't open,, is it members only now or is it being rebuilt or something? Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:33:06 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE:Changing Boundaries Dear Mike: ".... As long as their legitimate and serve their constituents without being a burden, that's good enough..." . Sorry, I should have read all the way through the DD before I sent the previous post and then I could have combined the two. Your post about the various locations and organizational influences makes a helluva lot of sense to me. I know this sounds dumb to say but sometimes I catch myself assuming that just because Korea is a much smaller country than the US, I expect organizations and influences to be more uniform from border to border with one group on top and other groups fighting for second place. I don't think I gave much credence to the idea that certain groups hold pre-dominant influence over a particular region or city. BTW: Would you mind going over that part about "Korean" and "Korea" being essentially the same as written in Korean. Musing about what you said left me thinking that perhaps the idea of "organization" may be a bit more informal than we folks that are discussing this material might be given to believe. By this I mean that in the US if a member of an organization both the idea of "membership" and "organization" are rather tightly defined. I'm wondering if membership in an organization is less important to Korean practitioners in the sense that practitioners of like attitude, and like biomechanic and like values tend to hang together - --- an would even if they didn't have some official sounding name and hierarchy. This would go a ways towards explaining the seeming elastic way that names and affiliations are selected and changed. Any thoughts on this? Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: mtomlins@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:49:46 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Irony & Ji Han Jae O.K.,,, Let me ask all of you astute Hapkido players a serious question, and this is one that I basically cannot understand and it somewhat leaves me baffled. We have established on here and it is pretty much common history that all of the major Hapkido Organizations originated from Doju Nim Ji Han Jae. This man lives in the Trenton New Jersey area,,not on some distant mountain,, not in Seoul, not in Taegu City,,etc. etc. etc.,, why haven't more of you went and trained with him? I don't get it. Everyone says that Doju Nim Ji is my Grandmasters teacher,, his picture is hanging in all these Dojangs all over Korea and yet here is this wealth of Hapkido knowledge right under your noses and there is no huge exodus to go train with him!! Dudes you are missing the boat!! You better train with him while he is still around!! After he passes over to the other side,, and I hope not for a very very long time,, then he will be gone and it will be you dudes on here still talking about history, organizations, etc. etc. etc... GO TRAIN WITH HIM NOW!!! He is awesome on the mat and can and will make you a believer. Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:51:41 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Signing as a Martial endeavor Dear Richard: "...He was fantastic at teaching me the techniques and the fine points that made the difference between an effective technique and useless wish. He taught me the mechanics and principles through demonstration and example. And he did this all very well despite one slight draw back. His English was very poor and my attempts at trying to learn Korean were dreadful to say the least...." Boy, does THAT sound familiar. I have become incredibly attentive in watching GM Koo when he is lecturing in sword class. Though I haven't the foggiest idea of what he is saying, he is very demonstrative as he speaks. About half the time I can pull one of the seniors aside and ask about what GM said. The rest of the time I need to suck it up and accept that I am about the only Anglo in an otherwise Korean school here in the heart of Chi-town. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:33:25 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Irony & Ji Han Jae > Jae. This man lives in the Trenton New Jersey area,,not on some distant > mountain,, not in Seoul, not in Taegu City,,etc. etc. etc.,, why haven't > more of you went and trained with him? I don't get it. Everyone says that > Doju Nim Ji is my Grandmasters teacher,, his picture is hanging in all these > Dojangs all over Korea and yet here is this wealth of Hapkido knowledge > right under your noses and there is no huge exodus to go train with him!! FYI, I was just speaking with DoJuNim last week. He is looking to open a small dojang in the Philly area so that he can more easily teach privates. For now, to the best of my knowlege, he is using the dojangs of two or three other folks in the Trenton area. More info here when/if he is able to find a good location. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:40:42 PST Subject: the_dojang: what is my name? > Interestingly enough, the Korean Hapkido Federation's Korean name is > Sadan Bubin Hapkido Hyubhoe [again, my romanization]. The name of the > two organizations' names are identical except for sadan bubin, which is > Korean for non-profit organization. So the name of the KoreaN HKD Fed is Sadan Bubin Hapkido Hyophwe and the name of the Korea HKD Fed (w/the finger logo) is Tae Han Hapkido Hyophwe and the Korea HKD Assoc is Hankuk Hapkido Hyophwe? Just checking... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:13:53 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Straight Forward Answers In a message dated 3/19/2001 9:44:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << His English was very poor and my attempts at trying to learn Korean were dreadful to say the least. I didn't learn the history and philosophy that people seem to think is so easy to find because my instructor and myself had a language barrier that prevented all but some of the most basic instruction in it. >> Wow ! Same here ! We communicated many times with a Korean/English dictionary !! LOL ! No, there was alot I couldn't learn from this man ... but the physical techniques he taught were excellent. When I switched to another school (I had moved many many miles away) ... this instructor didn't talk philosophy because he hated politics ... so it was up to each of us to learn on our own. We tried asking the Grandmaster but again ... language barrier time. He only flew out once or twice a year and I wasn't used to way he spoke .... :::sigh::: So asking around is the only way to learn or to read books. So if someone asks a question ... a simple straight forward answer without politics involved would be nice. Maybe their instructor is hard to communicate with or just plain won't talk because of all the politics going on. Ok ? Illona ------------------------------ From: Powrscrol@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:34:11 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #181 In a message dated 3/19/01 9:44:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I clicked this link as was suggested by Steve W. I didn't see any Korean Martial Arts links. No offense, but I think we have enough organizational discussions going on without adding chinese, japanese and philipino to the pot. just my two cents, frank Welcome to visit Shaolin Disciple's Site at http://shaolintemple.yeah.net >> No problema -- but hey, I didn't know Shaolin was Korean! Steve W. Society of Te Empty Hands Can Do http://www.powrscrol.com/ ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:40:01 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Question For Richard Hackworth In a message dated 3/19/2001 6:30:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Richard Hackworth www.pbms4me.com >> Richard, I have a question. I saw the address at the bottom and I went to that site (great site!) ... and tried to sign up for the free newsletter ... put my name and address in there but there is nothing to push to make it submit. ?????? Illona ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:49:38 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Test Bruce writes: > However, since each rank is predicated directly on what was learned in the > previous rank it is not really necessary to do an exhaustive examination of > the entire catalogue of every technique for all four guep ranks. IMHO, a Black Belt test should show that the White Belt material is perfectly understood, especially since many believe that a Black Belt is instantly elevated to the position of Instructor. If a Black Belt teaches material to a White Belt with the sophistication of a Black Belt, someone is sure to get hurt or discouraged. That is just one of my reasons for asking at least half of every technique etc. ever learned. One of the best side effects in this is that the applicant will improve his or her stamina and fitness to a much higher degree, lest s/he will fail because of fatigue. Sincerely, Rudy Timmerman National Korean Martial Arts Association BTW Bruce: Re: your other post. Most people I have enrolled in my schools for the past thirty-five years don't give a hoot about the organization's lineage or structure. They just look for good qualities in the Instructor that will teach them. ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:45:26 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Stick Stuff Dear Mike and Carsten: "...Master Lee told me that when striking with the dan bong, one uses the same motion as striking a drum....". I had to smile when I read Mikes' post. I suppose that it all depends on ones' frame of reference. The Hapkido weapons are taught in various roders by different schools and styles. At MIDWEST HAPKIDO I teach the dan bong as the second weapon in line for exactly the reason Mike gave in his post. Rather than gripping the stick firmly in the fist and striking, the execution is with a snapping motion of the last three fingers. The advantage of learning this as the second weapon is that the muscle memory transfers neatly to the remaining four weapons (cane, sword, staff and knife) in succession. Even M Booths' modified danbong which is shorter and stubbier, and equipted with a longer lanyard is still taught with a snapping strike for those techniques in which the stick is grasped. The advantage to the use of the dan bong (and subsequent weapons) is clearly identifiable the minute one stops striking at air and begins to make contact with a target such as a pad or bag. Just my thoughts, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Steve Seo Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:24:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Kidohae in Seoul Mr Choi et al., I'm not sure if I mentioned this earlier in the digest, but Chairman Seo, In Sun has actually moved to Seoul and now lives there, as does master Scott Seo. Master Scott Seo has recently opened a school in Seoul and is currently teaching regular students as well as some masters of the Kidohae. Here is his address in Korea: Seoul Hapkido Training Center: Seo Cho Gu, Ban Po Dong 734-26 Tae Kwon Do Newspaper Building Basement Level phone number: 011-82-2-3446-3824 If Mr. Choi or anyone in Korea would like to visit Master Seo, just mention that you were refered by me and he will give you very special treatment. :) Seriously though, I hope everyone on this list could have the opportunity to train with Master Scott Seo, I always learn something new from him when I get the chance to train with him. On the question of why Chairman Seo and GM In Hyuk Suh spell there names differently, let me(I hope) finally end this "mystery." It is a simple question of romanization. When we first came to the United States official documents that had been issued to us had our name spelled Seo. I suppose this has to do with the spelling of Seoul(Suh Ool would be the phonetic spelling of the hangul I suppose). GM In Hyuk Suh, because he lives in the states, took the time to legally change his name to Suh. That's the entire story. The funny thing was that a few years back, Robert Young of the Black Belt magazine actually wrote as part of an article that there was some conspiracy theory behind this name issue. Some people have very active imaginations! Steve Seo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Harold Whalen Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:20:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: mooyekwan If there are any questions pertaining to mooyekwann of the korea Hapkido association please feel free to contact me at Hkdhw@verizonmail.com this is my new address if I can assist you I will be more than happy Hal - -------------------------------------------------------------- Get a free e-mail account from Verizon Online at http://www.verizon.net ------------------------------ From: RDNHJMS@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:06:16 EST Subject: the_dojang: GM Ji's Hapkido Michael wrote: <> Well put Michael, you are so correct. In fact, he continues to teach this way today. He gives you the basics, and you continue to develop it from there. Different techniques work better for some than others. (Big, small, strong, weak) But without the basics, Hapkido may look fancy, make for great demonstrations, but the techniques will not work in a real situation. Master the basics and everything else is easy (well, maybe not easy). V/R, Rick Nabors ------------------------------ From: Leslie Harris Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:10:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: attn female black belts Greetings, Exiting my usual lurk mode to invite all female black belts (any type of MA) to attend monthly, informal, interdisciplinary get togethers. Our group includes practitioners of different styles of karate, taekwondo, aikido, jujitsu, kungfu, arnis, etc. All types of MA welcome (hey, we need hapkido practitioners!). The only requirements are a blackbelt, femaleness (girls/women--any age), a willingness to learn/cooperate/teach, and a good sense of humor. Attendees thus far have been women from Western Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, Vermont. Workouts are rotating between schools. If there are any other New Englanders (or visitors) out there who want to train with us, please email me off-list. And a special thanks to Mr. Terry and the contributors to this list for keeping me entertained and educated during a long, snowy New England winter. I especially enjoyed McD's missives from the sunny beaches! Respectfully, Leslie 2nd Dan, TKD lharris@admin.umass.edu ------------------------------ From: "T. Kennelly" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:40:03 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Should Black Belt testing be cumulative or just the techniques since last promotion Thanks for all of the feedback. I must say that I believe the test should be cumulative however both Mr. Sims and Mr. Beck make interesting points about the more advanced techniques requiring cumulative knowledge (Sims) and that testing should be a sampling of techniques (Beck). Thanks everyone for your input. ------------------------------ From: Dave Weller Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:15:29 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Black Belt Journey From: "T. Kennelly" Asked: >Should Black Belt testing be cumulative or just the techniques since last >>promotion? >I was pondering whether a black belt test should include all of the >techniques >the student has learned on their journey to that test or only >be tested on the >new techniques learned from 1st Gup. In other words, as >one progresses through >the ranks does their next belt test require >demonstration of techniques back to >white belt or just the techniques >learned since their last promotion. >I hope those responding will be from both Taekwondo and Hapkido backgrounds. >P.S. Also I want to recognize that senior and executive adults may have >more >difficulty with a cumulative test and therefore a paring of that >test may be >beneficial. In the WTF Taekwondo school I attend testing appears to be cumulative from the "get-go". You might be asked for earlier techniques, poomse, etc. at any belt test from 9th gup and up (hard to test previous knowledge at 10th gup). At Dan level a more comprehensive knowledge is required and you can be assured of having to demonstrate your skill in just about every area you have studied during your training. Our class structure reinforces this as there may be white belts up to 3rd Dan all participating in the same class, so regardless of rank we are working on "basics" and advanced techniques in the same class period. Some might find it tedious to go over beginning techniques as a Dan holder, but in MVHO these basics cannot be over-studied or over-practiced. dave weller student wtf tkd "Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself." Myamoto Musashi ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:40:06 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #182 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.