From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #184 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 20 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 184 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: PhD Re: the_dojang: Re: PhD the_dojang: Background Checks the_dojang: KIDOHAE the_dojang: Quick solution to Ph.D. question. the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #182 the_dojang: Korean lessons on the web the_dojang: Korea Hapkido Association the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #183 the_dojang: Re: Organization list the_dojang: Re: My forthcoming Dissertation the_dojang: Re: For Big Mike T=Why's everybody always picking on me ? the_dojang: Re: Mr. Seo=question about Dojang in Seoul the_dojang: Re: All Females vs. all Males the_dojang: RE: Moo Ye Kwan the_dojang: RE:A Good Example the_dojang: GM Han-Jae Ji the_dojang: Re: KMA Orgs the_dojang: Re:...And the point was what again? the_dojang: Suh/Seo conspiracy the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Clay" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:15:42 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: PhD I don't know why this individual seemed to know the reason for posting his resume while insinuating that Dr. Richard Hackworth, Dr. Scott Shaw and Dr. He-Young Kimm somehow are fradulant. I can't speak for Dr. He-Young Kimm but I can say if memory serves, Doctorates earned in foreign countries are not necessarily available in the United States, which would cover both Dr. Shaw and Dr. Hackworth. Further, exactly what was your intention? Public embarassment? Frank Welcome to visit Shaolin Disciple's Site at http://shaolintemple.yeah.net ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:28:43 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: PhD > Further, exactly what was your intention? Public embarassment? Knowing Dakin for several years now, no, I do not think that was his intention. Just an honest question from an honest scholar. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Hottstuff5344105@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:18:29 EST Subject: the_dojang: Background Checks Dakin, I am flattered by your curiosity toward me, I hope however that it is not an unhealthy obsession. Its seems that a few times a year some self appointed expert wants to attack something in my background. The first of these rumors was that I did not speak Korean. That comment was made to someone at a ICHF seminar who had been to Korea on one of the trips that I host. Another rumor attacking my background was that I had never been to Korea. That one started the same month that my website was finished showing several photographs of me at various noteable Korean landmarks. The next was a rumor that I was being investigated by Kukkiwon for issuing fake certificates. I have the letter from the WTF lawyers stating that it is not true and telling the person spreading that rumor to cease and desist. Then came the rumor that I had never been in the military. The one about me not knowing anyone in ChungDoKwan, that came out just days before the photo of myself with GrandMaster Uhm, the president of ChungDoKwan, hit Taekwondo Times Magazine. How about the rumor that I don't speak Japanese either, the rumors go on and on and get more and more ridiculous in passing. My friends and I got a good chuckle talking about them last October while having dinner with Mr. Chang, president of the HanNaRaDang Political Party at the Blue House in Korea. (Check it out Mr. Investigator) Its true. It is one thing to attack me in this forum because I actually have a sense of Humor about it. But also attacking the good name of Dr. Kimm and Dr. Shaw is a little much for an under achiever like you. If you don't like us, don't buy our books. (Maybe you will have a book someday for people to criticize.) With people having gone to school in various countries and earning ranks from various GrandMasters I have found it hard to actually verify anyones background with any accuracy. Ray said that Thomas was the person performing the sword techniques on the KHF videos. When I asked a few years ago at the KHF HQ who that was I was told that he was a German 4th Dan. So who is right? I believe Ray. He would recognize his old friend faster than some Korean masters at the HQ who may have only met him once or twice. You are welcome to visit my school and read my transcripts if you wish or have carbon dating testing done on my Dan certificate to see how long ago it was issued, but don't just "Rake people over the coals for the good of Hapkido." So just keep me off your Christmas card list. Richard Hackworth ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi15@netscape.net Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:36:18 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: KIDOHAE (Mr. Steve Seo, thank you for the invitation and you're open attitude.) I think that this has been mentioned in DD before, but the word Kidohae could mean the association of Kido (The Way of Energy). Or, it could mean prayer meeting. It all depends on the hanja. (Don't ask me to type the Chinese characters. I haven't figured out how to do that on a Korean keyboard yet. Hae (or Hoi) in hangul is 회, meaning assembling of people. The Korean Congress is Kook-Hae 국회, meaning National Assembly. That is the official title of the Korean Congress... National Assembly of the Republic of Korea. Now, let's take another example. Last Februray, the US Prayer Breakfast was held. As I help the Korean contigent travel there, I noticed that they called the event meegook jochan kidohae 미국조찬기도회, Meegook is US, jochan means breakfast, kidohae means prayer meeting. Now, I'm sure that the hanja (Sino-Korean characters) for Kido Association and prayer meeting is different. With regards to Kuk Sool, Koong Joong Moo Sool, Hanmudo etc being different martial arts. Well, you decide. I think if there curriculum and fighting method is different, than yes, it is another martial art. One thing that I notices in Kuk Sool, Koong Joong Moo Sool, and other non-hapkido soft styles, is their use of internal palm techniques (like kung-fu). I think that they are legitimately different martial arts. Many years ago, I think that I read that the Korean Wushu Team is registered with the Kidohae. Is that true? Lastly, I wanted to mention the actor, Sang-In Lee. His big debut was on "There is a Blue Bird" 파란새는 있다 1996. Blue bird is associated with hope. That guy is great! In that series, he would throw a bottle in the air, flip and break it with a quick. He can easily do a jump-flip from a one-story wall and land on his feet like a cat. On another show, he sliced a rolled-up newspaper with his index and middle finger. (Wow, what ki control!) In the series, all the martial art guys were part of a Koong Joong Moo Sool group. But that's just in the series. I don't know what style he practices in real life. Until recently, he was on KBS2 Happy Sunday's Dream Team segment, featuring a team of entertainers competing against a team of athletes on an obstacle course. After a while, Mr. Lee just kept on winning the events. Anyway... Another thing I saw on TV, there was a talent show series with monetary reward. One time, a paralyzed Koong Joong Moo Sool master competed and won first prize. He was really awesome though. He could fan and crutch techniques. Another time, a hapkido guy (in black uniform with the hapkido eagle patch, but no KHF) patch was on and did those wall kicks. He could litterally run up one/two stories and then break a board with a kick. Then another time a Korean kickboxer was on. I didn't think it was that great. He didn't win either. Note: sorry, http://www.masterhkd.com is not the website of Mooyekwan. It is just Master Michael McCarty's website. He is a master through Mooyekwan. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: Richard Zaruba Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:35:01 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Quick solution to Ph.D. question. Dear Dakin, While being unusual, it is not unheard of for a thesis or dissertation to be missing from UMI. I know of at least one PhD's that is missing from past experience. A simple call to the alumni office of the respective universities will most likely answer the question you pose. Respectfully, Richard Zaruba ____________________________________________________________________________ "Large egos are carried by small minds." Anon. ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi15@netscape.net Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:00:54 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #182 I am not the authority, please, please confirm with Headmaster Harold Whalen of KHA Mooyekwan. There is only one Mooyekwan. It is an American-based kwan that is certified as such with KHA. Mooyekwan is with Korea Hapkido Association whose Chairman is Hwang, Duk-kyu. This is different than the Korea Hapkido Federation whose President is Oh, Se-lim. > Just so I keep this straight, is this Master Whalens" Moo Ye Kwan (I thought > he was KoreaN Hapkido Federation-could be wrong there too.) or are there > more than one MooYe Kwan. Unlike the US, where one pays a fee and is a member of an organization (such as US Taekwondo Union, World Hapkido Federation, World Kido Association, etc.), the organizations in Korea are governing bodies. In the case of Hapkido, KHF, KHA, IHF, etc. are all governing bodies. I don't pay membership dues to KHF. But I am a member by default if my school is affiliated with KHF and my rank is certified through them. It's more a matter of school affiliation than anything else. I do not know if schools pay membership dues to KHF et al. > Musing about what you said left  me thinking that perhaps the idea of > "organization" may be a bit more informal than we folks that are discussing > this material might be given to believe. By this I mean that in the US if a > member of an organization both the idea of "membership" and "organization" > are rather tightly defined. I'm wondering if membership in an organization > is less important to Korean practitioners in the sense that practitioners of > like attitude, and like biomechanic and like values tend to hang together > ------------------------------ I haven't come across Hankuk Hapkido Hyophwe. The issue isn't the technical translation, but rather how the Assocation decided on what their English name would be. The word hyophwe is Korean for association. The word yuhn-meng is Korean for federation. KHF technically should use the word association instead federation. (Perhaps that's why Dr. Kimm translated the name of Oh's organization as Korean Hapkido Association.) Now with regards to the word Korea or Korean. Actually, Koreans don't call themselves Korean but hangook saram. Han Gook means the Nation of Han. Daehan means Great Han. Daehanminguk means The People's Great Han Nation or more commonly translated, the Republic of Korea. Honestly, I am really confused if Oh, Se-lim's organization's official English title is the Korean Hapkido Federation or the Korea Hapkido Federation. I think I was wrong when I said Korean Hapkido Federation. Oh's organization is Sadan Bubin Daehan Hapkido Hyubhoe and the patches say, the Korea Hapkido Federation. I have never come across Hankuk Hapkiod Hyophwe except in Dr. Kimm's Hapkido Bible. Hwang, Duk-kyu translated his Daehan Hapkido Hyubhae organization's name into English as the Korea Hapkido Association (I have my first dan through his organization). I think it is Korea Hapkido Association not KoreaN Hapkido Assn, but I'm not sure since my dan ID card is at home. > So the name of the KoreaN HKD Fed is Sadan Bubin Hapkido Hyophwe and the > name of the Korea HKD Fed (w/the finger logo) is Tae Han Hapkido Hyophwe > and the Korea HKD Assoc is Hankuk Hapkido Hyophwe?  Just checking... > I think that when the Kidohae issues Hapkido certificates it says in hangul Daehan (Hap)kido Hae. Hmm... :-) __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi15@netscape.net Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:30:20 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Korean lessons on the web FYI: Korean language instruction on the worldwide web. Sogang University's Online Classes, http://www.sogang.ac.kr/~kleri/ckssintro_eng.htm. Seoul National University's KoreanTutor is http://www.koreantutor.com. Michael Choi __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: Harold Whalen Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 05:36:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Korea Hapkido Association i was asked before and sent the address just in case it was lost the Korea Hapkido Association se-jong bldg.. 202. 7-1 shin-moon-ro 1-ka. chong-ro-ku. seoul,korea 110-061 phone number 08-02-735-6661 or fax number 08-02-735-6662 i hope this will help those concerned. Hal - -------------------------------------------------------------- Get a free e-mail account from Verizon Online at http://www.verizon.net ------------------------------ From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:19:56 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #183 In a message dated 3/19/01 11:03:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Kukkiwon World Taekwondo Headquarters 635, Yuk Sam-dong Kang Nam-ku Seoul 135-080, Korea 2-567-1058-9 2-563-3339 http://www.worldsport.com/worldsport/sports/taekwondo/home.html wtf@united.co.kr >> Neither of the above URLs has worked for several months now. Anyone have any ideas about why or when they will be working? Sally SallyBaughn@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Victor Cushing Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:05:14 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Organization list Ray one more addition if you please to your organization list. International Modern Hapkido Federation 4460 Homestead Drive Moscow, PA 18444 USA TEL 570-842-1558 FAX 570-842-3233 http://modernhapkido.org Vic Cushing ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 05:06:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: My forthcoming Dissertation Mr. Burdick commented, in part: This inquiry had to do with certain martial art practitioners who carry the Ph.D title after their name (re: More BS "piled higher and deeper"). B.S.= B.S, MBA= More baloney and....(a little humor there). Response: You will not find my forthcoming Doctoral Dissertation either, since I am about 100 pages short of completion. Currently on the chapter entitled "Cheap Charlie asks Where's the Money ?" My Dissertation is entitled, "Bar joints, saunas, and back alley adventures of Southeast Asia: traditions and methods." I take an indepth look at particular pleasure palaces, dives,and sordid seedy places your atypical tourist may end up. It is the underbelly that is often hidden. A review of restaurants, money exchange best bets, and cultural differences are also addressed. I also include my secret formula for avoiding common con games in Asia. For example,if your in Angeles City and a stranger yells out "Hey Joe, good to see you again (and you never laid eyes on him)...can I give you a ride." This is a lead in for a con game where your taken to a house and asked to participate in a gambling scheme at a local casino. Many have lost their shirt there. Or, if your walking down a certain street, on the left hand side may be guys dressed as girls. Avoid (unless your have a proclivity for that sort of thing). This dissertation will be based on a simple theme, that for countless generations men have chased after pleasures that are verbotten in a traditional puritanical society. Will this end is my central question ? My thesis does not advocate pursuit of these often not discussed areas, but asks why individuals undertake these activities. For example, as I write this there is a plane headed for Asia from San Francisco that has about 100 old geezers seeking pleasures they never had in their youth. A sponsored tour no less ! Of course a little Martial Arts and Zen will be thrown in. I'll keep ya posted. But, Mr. Burdick--how do I get this indexed in the web site you quote ? Thanks, McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 05:13:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: For Big Mike T=Why's everybody always picking on me ? Mike T commented : - ------------------------------ Response: Hey Mike, maybe you and I should rekindle our discussion about asking for a credit from your instructor while I go on my next Asian tour to finish my Doctoral Dissertation that I can publish in the web site Mr. Burdick mentions (what a run on sentence that was)? He He. McD... P.S. "Why's everbody always picking on me"= Charlie Brown, The Drifters (I think). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 05:22:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Mr. Seo=question about Dojang in Seoul A serious question here for Mr. Steve Seo who commented: < I'm not sure if I mentioned this earlier in the digest, but Chairman Seo, In Sun has actually moved to Seoul and now lives there, as does master Scott Seo. Master Scott Seo has recently opened a school in Seoul and is currently teaching regular students as well as some masters of the Kidohae. Here is his address in Korea: Seoul Hapkido Training Center: Seo Cho Gu, Ban Po Dong 734-26 Tae Kwon Do Newspaper Building Basement Level phone number: 011-82-2-3446-3824> Response: Could you provide any additional information on where in Seoul this is located meaning where is it near, e.g., U.S. Army Headquarters, Monuments ?, Itawon ?, Hilltop Hotel, Hamilton Hotel ?, University ? Large Markets ? Near Subway System ? Additionally, who is now teaching in Pusan Headquarters ? Thanks, McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 05:32:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: All Females vs. all Males Ms. Harris noted: From: Leslie Harris Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:10:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: attn female black belts Greetings, Exiting my usual lurk mode to invite all female black belts (any type of MA) to attend monthly, informal, interdisciplinary get togethers. Our group includes practitioners of different styles of karate, taekwondo, aikido, jujitsu, kungfu, arnis, etc.> Response: I think the idea above is great. But it reminds me of this guy I knew in New York City in the 1970's. He called himself "Terrible Terry" Terruso. He was an Italian guy from Staten Island and he worked with me at the Small Business Administration in New York City near Wall Street. This guy told me about a new women's group called "Federally Employed Women=FEW". Terry Terruso was a real macho kind of guy. He got real excited about this women's group and formed a man's group called GEMS="Government Employed Males." He called himself "The Man From GEMS." True Story, for what it is worth. So, do you think having a female black belt group will lead to an all male black belt group ? Just curious. McD... P.S. I would hate to be the male "perp" who tried to pull an assault on you black belt females. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:36:43 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Moo Ye Kwan Dear Hal: "...Harold Whalen is the head of mooyekwan,Kwan #479 according to article 4 of the the Korea Hapkido association by laws..." . Thanks for taking time to answer. Can I slip a couple of quick questions in? 1.) The name "Moo ye Kwan" doesn't mean that there are not other "Moo Ye Kwans" in the KHA or in other arts, right? To put this another way, another individual would not be precluded or prevented from naming their TKD, or TSD, or KHF or KSW group the "Moo Ye Kwan", or would they? 2.) Was I right in guessing that your affiliation or membership is not in the KoreA Hapkido Federation? If I have guessed wrong, could you help me out and identify who you are with and provide some information about the organization? Thanks, Hal. BTW: Great cane stuff! Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:44:31 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE:A Good Example Quick note to others: "...Harold Whalen is the head of mooyekwan,Kwan #479 according to article 4 of the the Korea Hapkido association by laws." This is a pretty good example of how an organization is suppose to work and why. Anyone wanting to know more about Master Whalen has only to contact the KHA for details. In this way there is no long convoluted story about who did what and to whom and no second guessing or mixed messages. Readers will note that one does not have to listen to some rambling dissertation on unsubstantiated or unverifiable facts and references. The information is out there for everyone to see and know with no apologies or qualifications. Thanks again, Hal. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:47:04 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: GM Han-Jae Ji Michael Tomlinson, after saying how happy he was that he wasn't currently the center of attention (or was it "tension"?) changed his mind and wrote: We have established on here and it is pretty much common history that all of the major Hapkido Organizations originated from Doju Nim Ji Han Jae. [insert Bronx Cheer here] Nope, I don't think so. I think we can all agree that GM Ji is one of the very best in the art, but certainly there were other people training when he was (otherwise we wouldn't have that Hanguk Hapkido Hyeobhwe, would we?). And there is a great deal of variation among hapkido instructors. GM Jae-Nam Myong's students look like aikido, GM Kwang-Sik Myong's students look like aikido mixed with judo and Shotokan karate, etc. Is there anybody I didn't offend with that last sentence? Oh well! I've had the good fortune to train briefly with both GM Kwang-Sik Myung and GMHan-Jae Ji, but although both are GREAT instructors, they also have very different methods. Personally, I prefer GM Ji's style, but... This man lives in the Trenton New Jersey area Which is as far away from Bloomington Indiana as those distant Rocky Mountains you were mentioning. We in the hinterlands keep hearing rumors of GM Ji putting together a videotape series and/or books. God, I hope so! You better train with him while he is still around!! After he passes over to the other side,, and I hope not for a very very long time,, then he will be gone and it will be you dudes on here still talking about history, organizations, etc. etc. etc... We train with old dudes when we can, believe me. I never got a chance to train with Prof. V, but I have trained with Prof. Kufferath (now deceased), Prof. Wally Jay (still going strong!), and Dr. Maung Gyi (also still going strong!). You're right, the guys who have been around the longest know the mostest. Seek 'em out! But that doesn't mean we can't try to figure out why all those styles are so different. Bruce Sims came down here to Bloomington one time and said, "well, we all know about the three pillars of hapkido," and all of the USHF guys just stared at him. On the other hand, he also talked about the importance of sharing knowledge and breaking down barriers, and here he was preaching to the converted. There's a lot of different styles out there (as many as different people?), so there's always room for "talking about history, organizations, etc. etc. etc." Take care, Dakin Burdick, Ph.D. Associate Director Teaching Resources Center Indiana University at Bloomington Ballantine Hall 132 Bloomington, IN 47405 email: burdickd@indiana.edu www: http://php.indiana.edu/~burdickd phone: (812) 855-6869 fax: (812) 855-6410 ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:09:25 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: KMA Orgs > Deutsche Taekwondo Union (WTF) > Georg-Brauchle-Ring 93 > 80992 Munchen, Germany > 49-89-15930043 > http://www.dtu.de > dtu-office@t-online.de This address is no longer valid. The new office of the DTU is: Deutsche Taekwondo Union Luisenstr. 3 90762 Furth, Germany 49-911-9748888 Fax 49-911-9748889 Some other adresses: Polish Taekwondo Federation (WTF) Reymonta 35 60-791 Poznan, Poland 48-61-8663410 (both phone & fax) taekwondo@home.pl www.taekwondo.home.pl Polish Taekwon-do Association (ITF) Nowowiejskiego 1/38 48-81-7430150 www.pztkd.lublin.pl Polish Taekwon-do Union (GTF) P.O. Box 572 50-950 Wroclaw 2, Poland 48-71-3101639 fax 48-71-3101642 piotrgasior@poczta.onet.pl www.taekwondo.dw.pl Pozdrawiam - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:07:23 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re:...And the point was what again? I wrote: "...I was looking through the old email and noticed a discussion of Ph.D.s on the web. I went looking through the UMI Dissertation Abstracts again, and still can't find the abstracts for Richard Hackworth, He-Young Kimm, or Scott Shaw...." And Bruce replied: I don't know if this is going to help or hurt things. On the one hand I can't see the point of humiliating a person who may have embellished his resume' or background. My response: Well, actually, I was just interested in reading the dissertations. Remember, they are in "Asian Studies" which sounds interesting to me. I did not assume that they had "embellished" their resumes. It was an honest inquiry. If, however, they DID embellish their resumes, then that is something we DON'T need in the martial arts. I think we have enough people who think that a black belt with 10 hash marks on it makes that person more than mortal. I would like to know who actually is worth training with, and more importantly, WHY. Let me give you an example. I'm a pretty good scholar, but certainly not a champion athlete. I'm a middle aged guy who is carrying more weight than he likes and doesn't move as fast as he used to. More masters than would like to admit it are like me, and some of them try to maintain control over students rather than sharing knowledge openly. If I wanted to, I could hurt my students and keep them under my thumb. I would prefer them to be able to hurt me, and make them more independent. Since we were talking about GM Ji, let me tell you one of the reasons I really admire him. When I saw him in Chicago, he was working with some young yellow belt and teaching him to do a snake lock (nikyo, bent elbow wrist lock, whatever you call it!). GM Ji was in his 60s (I think) and let the kid crank on him. His commentary went, "no.... no... ugh! Good!" You gotta love it! Claiming to be something that you are not is not only dishonest but hurtful to your students. It may feel good to your ego, but it is NOT helping your students learn. It is a means of controlling them when you don't feel confident enough in what you have to offer. If you don't feel confident in an area, my response would be to find someone who fills that gap and learn from them. That way everybody wins. Yours in the arts, Dakin ------------------------------ From: cspiller@e3mil.com Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:14:43 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Suh/Seo conspiracy >The funny thing was that a few years back, Robert Young of the Black Belt magazine actually wrote as part of an article that there was some conspiracy theory behind this name issue. Some people have very active imaginations!< WHAT? You mean there wasn't some big conspiracy to get a corner on the Korean MA market after all? Or even a conspiracy for the Kido Hae to take over the U.S. government? Drat. So much for that theory. Seriously, I read the same article and thought to myself, "He CANNOT be serious." Taekwon, Chris "Every Experience of Beauty Points to Infinity" Hans Urs von Balthasar _______________________________________________________________ Get your Private, Anti-Spam, Free Email at http://e3mil.com Your Internet Home for Your Faith, Your Life, and Your World! ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 7:31:06 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #184 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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