From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #187 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 21 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 187 In this issue: the_dojang: Female Instructors the_dojang: (no subject) the_dojang: (no subject) the_dojang: Kyongju the_dojang: Korean Martial Arts Associations the_dojang: Body movements the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #186 the_dojang: Re: Mary Braud= Teach me how to spell correctly; Ghost Dog movie the_dojang: Re: H. Thomas=Pusan the_dojang: Hey, Campers, Pop Quiz time! the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bernard Maginnity Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:17:33 +1100 (EETDT) Subject: the_dojang: Female Instructors >There are a good number of female teachers out there. I actually >began my martial arts training when i was a child with a Tai chi >teacher... of course we had the stertypical big guy who decided not >to do it, i think because she was a female... but she was excellent. I too have had a couple of experiences with female Instructors. My first was a few years back when I left home to go to University. I moved to Canberra and started training under the Regional Chief Instructors wife who had two clubs of her own. She had nothing to prove as she held her own admirably. The next was a Regional Chief Instructor in charge of 10 clubs, five of which she taught at herself at least once per week. Before I moved to that area I had heard rumours that her 2nd Degree was an 'Honourary Promotion' for her 'contributions to the Art'. I personally found this to be untrue the first lesson I took with her, and then this was reinforced the first and every subsequent time that I sparred with her. For a 5'5" lady she had us fella's on our toes. Don't judge a book by its cover... Food for thought Bernard ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:47:26 EST Subject: the_dojang: (no subject) The Illustrated Guide to Design and Development of Latex Sex Toys as Implements of Martial Skill" and is available in plain brown wrapper from an address in Tijuana. Much deep analysis and penetrating insight if I do say so myself :-)! Ok, now this really scared me and gave me a really bad mental picture... JAck ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:49:01 EST Subject: the_dojang: (no subject) Response: I am Irish, so guess I have a means of stating my knowledge of an Irish TKD group that has been omitted from the long list. Located in Boston, MA., near Dorchester. Entry fee: You must bring one baked potatoe and a pint of ale. (Talk about sterotypes) McD... Was this the school on Gallivan BLVD near the Eire pub? ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:06:44 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Kyongju For those instructors who have trained in Kyongju: Can anyone recommend me a good dojang (Hwarangdo?) in Kyongju. I am going there for a holiday next week (my first since I returned to Korea two years ago!). Please reply privately if you can help with a phone number and address. Regards, Andrew ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:46:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Korean Martial Arts Associations Dear Mr. Terry, You might try B. Geronimo Redfield's TSD Page at http://pages.cthome.net/redtsd/#sect3 I did not recall seeing a lot of the TSD Associations/Federations on your list, for example; World Moo Duk Kwan TSD Federation - GM Kim, Jae Jhoon Korea TSD MDK Society TSD Mi Guk Kwan - GM Ferraro, Charles American TSD Association - GM Byrne First American Moo Duk Kwan - GM Drouliard, Dale T. Global TSD Association - GM Kim, T(d)ong Moon Hwa Rang World TSD MDK Federation - Pak, Ho Sik ITF - GM Lee, Kang Uk Pan Am TSD Federation - GM Kim, Chung Su Brian's page has most of the links, hope this helps. regards, Charles R. Moja Kwan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:52:38 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Body movements First, Bruce, thanks for those notes on Daitoryu's three levels of sophistication. That made a lot of sense to me! You then wrote: > BTW: Most of what I was > taught from GM Myung, Kwang Sik was a much tighter and > authoratative biomechanic than what I have seen from just > about everyother student of GM Ji. What do you mean by tighter? You'll have to show me sometime! The body movements I learned from Will Widmeyer (a student of the late GM In-Seok Pak) were very similar to those I saw GM Ji perform. GM Kwang-Sik Myung's movements seemed to me to be much closer to judo with some aikido mixed in. GM Jae-Nam Myung's movements that I've seen are very large aikido style movements. The movements of the USHF Federation are derived from the tai-sabaki (body movements) of judo, and curiously enough are similar to (but larger than) the body movements of Jiyushinkai Aikido (also modified from judo). I know that USHF and Jiyushinkai both teach body movement explicitly, while GM Pak taught these movements implicitly (ie. learn by doing rather than through a formal structure). The USHF is missing a couple body movements (I think you were there when I was teaching them Bruce), but their terminology is very good for organizing and teaching the material. In the ACS (American Combative Science) that I do now, we use the example of USHF terminology and link it to GM Pak's more complete movements. From what I've seen of the ICHF, they do body movement similar to the USHF. Anybody know what GM Chinil-Chang does? Take care, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: "John Klingler" Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:38:27 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #186 David Beck wrote: >Do you have some help? My highest ranking student is a Green Belt. He has only been with me for about 14 months. He does help a bit but obviously not what you were refering to. Thanks for the advice. John Klingler ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:14:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Mary Braud= Teach me how to spell correctly; Ghost Dog movie Mary Braud noted: Response: Dear Abby: Please teach me how to distinguish between Potato and Potatoe. Also, how could I confuse Coasters with Drifters. Guess I am getting to be a lazy writer and not checking my sources. Perhaps those long, binge drinking evenings are catching up to me ? The word sanatorium springs up--although I have not heard usage of that word in a few decades. Seriously, the basement gym/weight rack is completed. If any readers are familiar with a book or video that has outlined weight lifting routines please send to me privately or post here (if permitted). I really need to quit the booze and get rid of the creeping gut. Thanks, McD... P.S. I just reviewed an interesting film entitled "Ghost Dog". Stars Forrest Whittacre. About an urban hit man who follows a Samurai code in his approach to being a "button man". An interesting piece of movie- making. You martial artists should enjoy it. Came out last year, now on video. Good acting, subtle humor, and reminds me where I grew up. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:25:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: H. Thomas=Pusan A. Burrese noted: Response: I have never met Mr. Thomas. However, I was in Pusan during the 1995-96 time period when he taught at Camp Hialeah, Pusan, South Korea. My apartment was several streets away. Mr. Thomas, I understand, replaced one of my instructors who taught at the youth recreation center at Camp Hialeah. My instructor, nameless and previously referenced, was apparently kicked off the base for fighting with Military Police. Wish I would have met Mr. Thomas and learned from him. At that time I was fending off attackers of my own. Another story for another chapter in the McD files... McD P.S. Does anyone know if the Legion and Dallas Club are still open ? I miss the ambiance. Did you know the bathrooms are coed there ? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:22:17 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Hey, Campers, Pop Quiz time! Dear Folks: I had an intersting experience talking with a Hapkido wannabee last night (ie. wants to learn Hapkido; doesn't want to study the art/wants a stable and reliable training environment but doesn't want to make a commitment to one for its support--- you know the song) and I got to thinking about many of the little passing comments that have been made in the last month. Let me paraphrase a couple for you in case you may not know what I am referring to. 1.) "Me and my students don't care about history or lineage." 2.) "Me and my students don't care about personalitiesor organizations." 3.) "Me and my students don't get bogged down in all the philosophy and ethics." 4.) "Me and my students don't let ourselves get buried in a lot of detail and analysis." 5.) Me and my students don't stick to any one curriculum or syllabus, we just take from anywhere. Hapkido is simply what works. " Now, do the math. Take the art of Hapkido and start subtracting each of the above constructs and what do you have left? Okay now take off your mitts (and your shoes and socks if you have to) and count up the number of people that you know that AREN'T contributing to this process of degradation. Let me approach this from another direction. Take my last post on body movement and re-read it. How many reading this post actually have the faintest idea of what I was talking about? If this is another area that "me and my students" don't do, I guess I would like to know why. In fact I would like to know why various individuals who present themselves variously as representing an art (and sometimes a few arts) don't discuss this material in a forum such as this, or examine this material with their students, or suck it up and go find someone who can tell them about it. In the last 18 months I can identify exactly four people (Joe Connelly, JR West, Howard Popkin, and Sensei Okamoto) who have even raised the subject let alone discoursed intelligently on it. And two of those folks are not even Hapkido! What concerns me so much about this is that this entire process is becoming a self-fulling prophecy. The less attention this material gets, the less people who are around to pass it along. The way I see it, in about another 20 years instead of Hapkido being the art of the 21st century as was touted a few years back in BLACK BELT, you won't know Hapkido from WWF. Is this really what you want? To stop this, Hapkido is going to have to be a whole lot more than Blue Belt students of some BB with superficial technique, calling me up to learn some superficial technique so they can turn around and sell it to people who are intersted in learning superficial technique. If you can get behind this, I strongly recommend you grab a copy of Mike DiMarcos' Journal of the Asian MA for this quarter and memorize the interview with Robert Smith. I can't say that I thought a lot of his most recent book MARTIAL MUSINGS. The interview on the otherhand is an absolute must-read for anyone whose interst in MA goes beyond the next payment on their Firebird. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:24:09 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #187 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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