From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #190 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 22 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 190 In this issue: the_dojang: Basic Motions the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #188 the_dojang: first things the_dojang: Re: A little clarification? the_dojang: Re: First Things the_dojang: 60's music the_dojang: New students the_dojang: back issues the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #189 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #189 the_dojang: GM Chang the_dojang: Re: female instructors the_dojang: Re: Bruce's list and taking from anywhere the_dojang: RE: Opening Material the_dojang: RE: Lets tough it out. the_dojang: RE: Publish or perish the_dojang: Re: First teachings the_dojang: Muscles and Workout Information for Martial Artists the_dojang: RE: Trip Down Memory Lane sponsored by GERITOL the_dojang: first things the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Richards Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 06:58:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Basic Motions Dear All, I've been pushing my shopping cart around for 16 years now, and I can offer my humble opinions on various styles, organization sizes an lineages. In my basket I have assimilated Jhoon Rhee (modernized Chung Do Kwan) TKD, Markland Blade Fighting (no armor, padded blades), WTSDA (GM Shin, Jae Chul does not use the MDK or SBD designations) Tang Soo Do, Sun Moo Kwan Hap Ki Do, and my interests in bladed weapons, Jun Fan Kick-boxing/Jeet Kune Do Concepts (JFK/JKD), Tsubo applications (both massage and pressure point strikes), Yoga (for flexibility) and Tai Chi (for strength and fluidity in motion). Here goes a long post... Thanks to my introduction to Markland blade fighting, I have developed an interest in what realistically happens when a martial science technique is applied against an adversary (at real time speed). Thanks to the esoteric "Do" aspects of WTSDA TSD I can attribute many advancements in my career as a professional engineer, and my improvements in confidence and understanding of self. Only after my interests in Yoga did I begin to have anything approaching flexibility, and only after interest in Tai Chi did I see any significant improvement in the "crispness" and fluidity of my Hyungs (forms/kata). Even with that varied background, I would still look like "stick-boy" when doing hyungs if it wasn't for my interest in Sun Moo Kwan Hapkido (I am still trying to relax!). What I have learned is that good martial science is good martial science. I have come to respect also the reality that what is not taught is lost. I can only offer these insights. Seek out quality instruction, observe the instructor teaching while you are a student, not the papers on the wall in their office during an "enrollment" interview. Train in realistic environment "chaos rehearsal" (may have to be cross training), and try to preserve as much of the History and comradery of the Kwan/DoJang to which you are a member. As to GM's lineage and preservation of systems...I have been on the mat training with GM Kimm, H.Y. and Gm West, J.R. What they are teaching about motion and martial science, I am very interested in learning and preserving. Only as a Dan member have I trained with GM Shin, J.C. I believe I am preserving the "filtered" essence of what he learned from Do Ju Nim Hwang Kee even though I am no longer a member of his fine international organization. How authentic and traditional does this make me? Somehow when the fecal matter hits the oscillator, I think my crisis rehearsals will be what matters most, but in my application to daily life and personal growth the Do far outways the Sul. In our Kwan, you would learn Ki Cho (Funakoshi-"First Cause") hyungs, NaiHanji (Chulgi) hyungs, Pyung Ahn (Heian) hyungs, and the advanced Yudansha hyungs taught to CDK TKD and MDK TSD/TKD players since 1944. History, philosophy and lineage (to the best of my knowledge) of Tang Soo Do. You would also be exposed to "chaos rehearsal" drills, and almost never punch or kick at the air . And yet we still bow, meditate, have flags, and traditional uniforms ? This is what works for us, I'm sure others are doing what works for them. Train with Jung Do in your heart The rest is commentary, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Mary Braud Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:02:12 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #188 Well, in my school, white belts are always taught the Chung-Ji (sp?) form. There is alot of emphasis on front and back stances, and as the student progresses, they begin front and back falls. Interestingly enough, my school has a 'Power Rangers' class for juniors ages 4-7. This class is offered once per week, and it is a 'pay as you go' class--no contract is required. In this class, we concentrate on stances, kicking techiniques (proper position of feet/hips), and back falls. We also get to do some fun things like chicken fights (hold one leg with both hands and try to get the other person to let go of their leg/fall down). One last thing we do, (aren't ya'll glad?) is jump over pads to encourage the raising of knees to chest when jumping, versus just bending at the knees. Respectfully, Mary Braud > From: Ray Terry > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:10:26 PST > Subject: the_dojang: first teachings ? > > What are some of the first things (save how to bow, where the bath rooms are, > how to stand at attention or at ease, etc) that are taught in your school? > ------------------------------ From: "rich hodder" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:07:15 Subject: the_dojang: first things First teach them to breathe, Second teach them to stand, Third teach them to fall down, It's kind of like a new child. ;)rich _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:53:57 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: A little clarification? Dear Alain: "...As for your number 5 on the list, not sure just what you mean. If you are against those that just throw a few techniques learned here and there together and call it Hapkido, I understand. However, at the same time, while I consider myself a Hapkidoin now, I also have not thrown out all of the training and experiences from before I got serious with Hapkido. So what I do is different from what other Hapkido people may do because of the different backgrounds. So if I pick up something from Silat when visiting Marc, it may get incorporated into my training and then teaching. When I head to the gym with Thad and practice something out of Brett Jacques' Street Sambo video it becomes a part of me. And so on, you get the picture. Thanks for a very patient and thoughtful response. Let me just affirm that I think what you were saying about the last point coincides with my intention. I know this is a kind of confusing area for some people so I wanted to make sure everyone understood that I was not speaking against "continuing education". I think just about everyone goes to seminars and clinics and comes back with some pretty useful material. I know that relatively new-comers like BJJ and JKD have some good stuff to share and I continually reference material from many places to gain insight into my Hapkido practice. I think where I draw the line is when I take, say, a pin from BJJ and represent it to my students as original to Hapkido--- like we have always had this pin. Or I teach nunchukas as a Korean weapon or identify Arnis techniques as Korean knife fighting. Thats what I was addressing, and I'll guess that most people probably concluded that anyhow. Just wanted to be safe. best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:27:00 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: First Things How to breath. Dan-jon breathing exercises. Alain ------------------------------ From: BTBEACH@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:31:50 EST Subject: the_dojang: 60's music Before my time, but - Little Duce Coupe - the Beach Boys ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:47:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: New students I have spent the last year putting to print my cirriculum. Follows is an edited version of beginners requirements. Those interested in the MSWord file may contact me off list. I love to share, and look forward to editorial comments. 9th Gup White Belt Yellow stripe Front hand straight lead (Jab) Rear hand Cross (reverse punch) 4 upper area parries (as described by Sifu Lee) Bow and Arrow Posture (front stance) Center punch and Low Defense Kicks that the standing foot does not pivot (90 degrees or less): Knee lift kick, front thrust kick, front snap kick, back kick, and stretch kick Ho shin sul; concept that no matter how you are grabed, you can not be prevented from bending your own elbow Joint lock application of Low defense Simutaneous application Parry/Strike of Low Defense Fold/Set-up 5 Point Code of TSD Dan Jun Breathing (Short Wave) How to tie your belt extra credit - Ki Cho Hyung Il Bu concept that stance changes shift weight/center and generate power, but little nit picking on stances.. 8th Gup Yellow Belt Backfist 4 lower area parries High Defense and High Punch Joint lock applications of High Defense How to fold your uniform Kicks that the standing foot pivots about 90 - 180 degrees; Outside Crescent, Inside Crescent, Axe Kick, and Roundhouse Kick extra credit - Ki Cho Hyung Yi Bu Drills using a known attack and the 8 parries Drills with stationary focus pads Drills with flashing focus pads Footwork drills Lunge, Shuffle, Linear step and V step 7th Gup Orange Belt Ridge Hand Side Defense Side Punch Side Kick Standing Front, Back and Side Falls Required Hi Cho Hyungs 1-3 In Ki Cho Hyung Sam Bu, I expect to see differentiation in the three stances (Front, Back and Side). Ho Shin Sul - joint lock and pressure point applications of Side Defense and Outside Defense Free Sparring to body targets only hands only and then feet only. 6th Gup Green Introduces Free Sparring,Breaking (wood boards), and Pyung Ahn Forms Techniques done in the air only when performed in a hyung, or learning such as slow kicks. When facing a partner contact is not made in drills, but the partner is used to practice targeting. General theme, each belt has a new Hyung and it's applications, Hyungs are the only patterns that are memorized, but they are not required until testing for 7th Gup. Each belt has a new kick or kicking concept. At each belt level sparring complexity, allowable targets, and techniques increases. I'm sure everyone is doing what works for them. I'm looking forward to following this thread on the list. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: hwkeyes98@excite.com Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:52:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: back issues I am not really sure why I have been receiving back issues of Dojang Digest in concurrent with the newest issues. For example today I have sitting in my mail box edition183 from the 19th of march as well as edition 188 from today. I'd like to clear this up if possible. Thanks Oh btw, the email address that I subscribe to is hwkeyes98@excite.com, however I have it redirected to this email. Thanks Ray. _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:29:27 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #189 Dear Dakin: "...To me, this seems really a matter of skill rather than of style. Someone who knows how to do a particular jointlock very well can do it tighter with safety. Anyone can do a technique with authority and tightness, but unless they know what they are doing, they are probably going to injury someone. These days it is very hard for me to do certain locks WITHOUT authority, and I have to consciously back off when dealing with beginners so they don't get scared off. If I backed off all the time, then my upper ranks would not be challenged...." Agreed. I think what I wanted to convey here is that Authority is a way, or a manner of execution, rather than only a technical corectness of the execution. For this reason concepts like "mis-alignment", "untiming" "displacement" are not so much aspects of a technique as much as qualities that are used to enhance the application of the technique. In my case, I identify this material as the "Four Deportments" and will be including them in the Level 6 book (2nd BB) of the DOCHANG JOURNAL under Forms rather than under a section dealing with technique. I think where a lot of people get tripped up is that the amount of Authority can be consciously moderated just like the use of speed or muscle (sounds like we both do this when we are working with lower ranks) so the conclusion is one is the same as the other. If you would, let me try this idea that I presented to my students just last night at the college. Most people who are attacked usually have an instant response of not wanting to fight back for fear that if they strike or kick back or attempt to throw the attacker they will just piss the guy off and now they have an attacker with an "attitude". I concluded to them that the defender can also generate an "attitude" -- one of determination or intent-- and that "attitude" should permeate the technique. This is not an "attitude" borne of fear or anger. Rather it is the commitment to the inevitability that for violating my Dynamic Sphere this attacker gets the very best I have to give out-- sure as night follows day. BTW:Comment that I made about "jitsu" was a reference to the use of simple mechanical accuracy in executing the technique. GM Myung is an excellent technician as one would expect from years of experience. And truth be told people can function at a purely mechanical level of expertise for their entire career and not have any problems. I think the difference comes in when a person moves to the next higher plain and you get some like OS Kimura or OS Kano. There was a whole lot more going on with these folks in their Judo play than simple mechanical perfection. As far as the actual "combat" application I think that becomes a whole 'nuther story much like the combat effectiveness vs the mechanical perfection of Jump Spinning Back or Wheel kick. I think OS Draeger was one of the giants of our modern budo/bujitsu age though I think his pragmatism could sometimes get in the way of his analysis. Those are the times that I am glad we have someone like Robert Smith who can lend a helping hand. I'll close by saying that I, too, do not want to contribute to any undue tension about personalities or organizations. For this reason I will say only that I don't think the Hapkido community is particualrly well-served by GM Chang not giving us some information about himself, his approaches and his plans. I understand that he has been represented as the hand-picked successor to GM Choi here in the west. I also understand that he has a school in Long Island which has little or nothing to do with Hapkido. A little clarification would be nice. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: MJD99AB@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:55:12 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #189 In a message dated 3/22/01 9:58:53 AM US Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I have had contact with one of his students, who says that GM Chang will be releasing information soon (as in, January of 2001!). We're all still waiting. >> I was just wondering what type of information you are looking for (not that I can help :) ...what info is he expected to release? I trained with him a few years about 10 yrs ago...I loved training at his school. Mark Daley Hapkido/Brazillian Jiu Jitsu ------------------------------ From: Todd Miller Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:18:12 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: GM Chang GM Chang, Chin Il just did a seminar in Springfeild Mass. a couple of weeks ago. I did not attend as it was not advertized. Jay, maybe you could elaborate on any new affiliations in the works? Todd ------------------------------ From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:09:16 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: female instructors In a message dated 3/22/2001 7:00:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << "I'm curious how many of the folks out there in DD-Land regularly or occasionally train with female instructors?" >> Having been the first female BB and first female instructor at my school, I have never had the opportunity to train under another female instructor. On occasion, I have taken a male fellow instructor aside (especially after having been their partner for tech) and explained how to modify and/or enhance techniques so that they work better for female students. Also, they sometimes need some guidance on differences in anatomy that need to be considered when working with a female partner (to avoid injury to said partner). Sometimes this lack of awareness on a male instructor's or student's part is brought to my attention privately by a female student. I feel it is a definite asset when there is a female instructor in a school whom female students can approach with questions they are uncomfortable addressing with a male instructor. Ideally, as a student of either gender matures in the art, they will be able to ask an instructor of either gender questions on how to apply techniques to personal areas of the body. As far as the all-female BB training sessions that were mentioned previously, I'm interested as to the reason. Is it for female camaraderie or ? As a BB female, I prefer to work with male partners for my own training, as their size and strength is what I am more likely to face in self-defense than a female's. DS ------------------------------ From: David Beck Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:14:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Bruce's list and taking from anywhere Thorny questions, and Bruce & I have exchanged some e-mail about it before. I agree with all of Alain's points, and want to bring up a couple more. Individual background will (of course) play in. So will individual body types and physical attributes. So will personal philosophy. Any martial art is a *individual* martial art. The Hapkido I teach is MY Hapkido, my interpretation of it. No instructor I've ever had worth his salt has taught everything exactly the same as he was taught. EVERYBODY puts his own personal stamp on stuff. 'art' implies a certain amount of creativity and personal expression. If it's a certain set of techniques that are taught exactly the same way, performed exactly the same way, and never changing; it may be an effective set of martial techniques but it's not an art. Maybe 'style' should be looked at like scales for a musician -- here's a set of techniques that can be codified, set and unchanging, and become standard requirements for certification -- rank in an organization. One problem is getting agreement on that set. Another problem is philosophy and what concepts are most important. I have no problem with 'stealing' stuff from some other source, making it my own and merging it into my personal martial art. But it only goes into my HKD curriculum if it matches HKD principles and concepts -- HKD is not Aikido + TKD. Awful lot of gray area, there; I know. But the style is not the person, don't lose sight of the importance of the individual in the mix. David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com WATT Lead Engineer Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:02:48 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Opening Material Dear Ray: "..... When I began in Sin Moo Hapkido we started with the "Basic 8", a simple series of eight basic defensive and offensive techniques. Also the basic breakfalls; front, side, back, etc....: I have had a few very diverse experiences in this area. When I first started in Hapkido, M Hyun, Kwang Sik in Chicago used very much a Buddhist educational model. Whatever he decided to teach that day is what we learned. If it was my first day and people were doing shoulder throws he would probably start me off on something a bit less challenging but overall the idea was "what he served was what we ate." There was no real testing for either guep ranks or dan. When I trained with GM Myung, Kwang Sik (WHF) his approach was much more Confucian with rough assignments of particular techniques to various grade level. These assignments were still pretty elastic and its only been recently that GM Myung has published books that identify a specific curriculum of a particular rank. All the same, I don't think he tested the gueps-only the dan ranks. Also the training was very situation specific. By this I mean that his "beginning" level was the 10 basic techniques ("ke bon su") which served as the hub of the Yon Mu Kwan curriculum. The level of sophistication increases as one radiates out for the "hub" by varying the use or application of the technique, or by varying the kind of attack one is responding to. There is quite a bit of room for variance here. I would also mention that Master Lee, to whom I made reference to in earlier posts uses a much tighter curriculum in that I remember that he started beginners with 10 basic wrist grabs and a variety of kicks and strikes. The next level had 12 basic clothing grabs and additional kicks and strikes. There was a specific test for each guep and dan rank over particular material. Was this the kind of thing you were asking about? Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:44:33 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Lets tough it out. Dear Dave: "...I must however, respectfully, take issue with your depiction of those who have no interest in history, lineages and organizations as some how "less" than those who do. I have read every message posted here concerning the history and lineages of Hapkido lately, and frankly I am so confused by it all that it scares me. I enjoy mental challenges, but this labyrinth is much to confusing for someone from OUTSIDE Hapkido to follow well. Honestly, to me, it looks like a bunch of name calling and hearsay. And, I dare say, there are probably a number of people within Hapkido who are at least a little dazed by all of this...." Absolutely 100% correct. And I will tell you Dave that you are far and away from being alone. For years now people have been going on record in books, magazines and now on the Internet making statements about themselves, and other people, about lineage and personalities, about styles and arts, political influence and power and for the most part I for one never questioned any of it. Sure I had my suspicions, but the spirit of the times was that it was impolite/disrespectful to address such things to the sainted powers-that-be.Those that DID address such things often received cryptic answers, silence, an admonishment to "go back and train" or a resultant distancing. I am often about as dazed as you with all of this stuff, but I will also tell you that along with GM who won't help us sort this all out there are also predators who use our passivity and reluctance against us and to the detriment of the arts. On E-BUDO, a fella by the name of Mike Collins represented himself as a 21 y/o GM of a number of arts. OK, yeah, he got murdered about this by people who were better informed. But what about the folks who say nearly as outlandish stuff and are never asked for accountability? To some extent many claims in Marketing press the limits of honesty and credibility but continue much longer than they should b/c the listening audience doesn't have the time or investment to ask for accountability and the facts. I'll close by dovetailing on what Mike T said about training with GM Ji. These old men-masters, teachers, leaders--- are dying and once they are gone they will take a lot of info with them. Looking at the past posts, Dave, it looks like at least you and I are still at the "identify-the-organization/ identify the players"-Stage and you are right, I, too, am feeling a little dazed and confused. But this crap should have been sorted out a long time ago and if we don't do it, it will just be more homework for those to come after us to deal with. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:22:19 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Publish or perish Dear Dakin: "...And folks, remember we need more Korean materials in there! It's been a while!..." A BIG "Amen" here. I have heard quite a few people talk about the representation MA get in various MA publications. Some characterize BLACK BELT and TKD TIMES in a particular light ("too glossy"; "too commercial") and others seem to characterize JAMA in another light ("too intellectual"). I have only run into one publication (DRAGON TIMES) who advised me point blank that they were targeting arts other than Korean, and I'll leave that one alone.All the same we can always come up with excuses not to get our truths out there. I think it would definitely behoove the Hapkido folks on this Net to consider either publishing material on the art, or working together in groups to produce decent quality. If you are wondering what I am talking about, of course, pick-up a copy of JAMA. Youalso may want to take a look at a recent article in TKD TIMES by a student of the late TKD Master Han. The article took a look at the biomechanics (theres that word again) for generating power in TKD techniques. Personally I had some issues with some of the conclusions that the author drew, but damn it was nice to read a treatment of MA up from "my GM can beat you GM." Give it a thought---and BTW if people want to work on a particular project but don't want to express that here (even though I recommend it) feel free to contact me O-L and we'll figure something out. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: David Beck Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:41:50 -0600 (CST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: First teachings Concepts - circular motion, nonresistance, water Falls - so we can use you more than once Steps - so you can 'not be there' Escapes - so you can get away if you were there anyway Frontal kicks - knee lift, groin kick, front heel kick, front ball of foot kick, front toes to soft targets/pressure points kick Basic blocks - just in case, getting in the way Basic strikes - the most common stuff you'll face Singlehand wrist grab defenses - because they are easiest to see, feel, and teach concepts from. Punches are the most common attack but involve so many dynamics it's difficult to start there. David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com WATT Lead Engineer Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:59:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Muscles and Workout Information for Martial Artists Forwarded: - -Wow: I just ran across this site that breaks down the muscle groups and has exercise charts and video links of exercises. One of my fantasies is to have a fast muscle car, a nice looking lady sitting next to me in the car (either bucket seats or bench seat, with 4 on the floor), and a massive rippling muscled body. Perhaps now I can have that ? So tired of having sand kicked in my face ! McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:14:34 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Trip Down Memory Lane sponsored by GERITOL Dear McD: ".....What song and what artist(s) did this line come from "...its got the big slip, daddy !"..." LITTLE DUECE COUPE from the BEACH BOYS. BTW: Wasn't the word "slicks"--- as in "..its got the big slicks, daddy." I would hate to think I spent the Sixties lip-synching to the Beach Boys and Jan & Dean and got this wrong. Oh well, I should have stayed with the Kingson Trio. "Hang down your head, Tom Dooley." Bruce ------------------------------ From: "rich hodder" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:06:46 Subject: the_dojang: first things Sorry I forgot the forth thing: Teach them to think! Rich _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:58:11 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #190 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.