From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #196 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 27 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 196 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: "Wrong info on Korean still abounds on Net" the_dojang: the_dojang: Re: Leg Exercises and Louie Louie Re: the_dojang: Re: Leg Exercises and Louie Louie the_dojang: Re: McD's Dear Abby Plea the_dojang: Sunshine the_dojang: Misty Mountain the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #194 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Martin" Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:36:46 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: "Wrong info on Korean still abounds on Net" I've come accross this a couple of other places. I kind of wonder what history of Korea is supposed to be used? Just like other countries, I'm sure that there are "versions" of Korean history. Robert Martin ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:27:01 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Master Hilland writes: > I am pleased to > announce the creation of the Hapkido Self Defense Center. Master Hilland. Congratulations on the opening of your new school. May you enjoy much success and happiness. Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:03:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Leg Exercises and Louie Louie Dear Martial Arts Teachers: Please provide a good daily workout for leg exercises. Routines that you have employed in your schools or for yourself. Many thanks. Ken "Too Proud to Admit Wrong" McD... (Went to referenced site, re: "She's got a competition clutch with the four on the floor And she purrs like a kitten till the lake pipes roar And if that aint enough to make you flip your lid There's one more thing, I got the pink slip daddy...") Ok, so I was 98.9 percent correct ! "Louie, Louie, I ay...we gotta go..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:44:30 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Leg Exercises and Louie Louie > Please provide a good daily workout for leg exercises. Routines that you > have employed in your schools or for yourself. Many thanks. Have you tried any of the stuff in Matt Furey's book, Combat Conditioning? I haven't, but hear it is good. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:10:53 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: McD's Dear Abby Plea hey McD, you might want to check out _weightlifting for dummies_. it's the "see spot run" of weightlifting :)... very easy to understand, even after one of your binges ;) melinda ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:06:25 PST Subject: the_dojang: Sunshine Sunset for South Korea's Sunshine Policy? Summary Chung Ju Yung, founder and honorary chairman of South Korea's Hyundai group, died March 21 in Seoul. Chung was a major proponent and key facilitator of inter-Korean economic ties and reconciliation between Seoul and Pyongyang. His death comes at a time when South Korean President Kim Dae Jung faces growing internal and external challenges to his Sunshine Policy of constructive engagement with the North. Kim's recent summit with U.S. President George W. Bush emphasized the widening gap between Washington and Seoul regarding Pyongyang. The summit, coupled with North Korea's unilateral decision a few days later to indefinitely postpone inter-Korean ministerial talks, has fueled internal political opposition to Kim's Sunshine Policy. Kim is struggling to revive support for the policy, but time is running short; South Korean presidential hopefuls from his own party have already begun positioning for the 2002 presidential elections. Chung and the Sunshine Policy Chung and Hyundai have been the economic backbone of Kim's Sunshine Policy. In June 1998, four months after Kim Dae Jung took office, Chung led 50 trucks loaded with cattle through the border city of Panmunjom into North Korea. Shortly thereafter, Chung announced he had reached an agreement with the North to begin work on a tourism site near Mount Kumkang on North Korea's east coast. Three main determinants led to Hyundai's economic involvement in North Korea. First, Chung, who was born in what is now North Korea, held the same desire as many influential Korean politicians and businessmen: reuniting the separated Koreas. Second, Hyundai hoped to expand its business operations, hire low-cost North Korean workers for its foreign projects and move its weaker operations to the North. Finally, by working closely with South Korea's government in dealing with the North, Hyundai expected - and got - special treatment amid the restructuring of Korea's chaebols, or family-run business conglomerates. Chung's involvement in North Korea began a year earlier following Seoul's successful summer Olympic games, for which Chung was chairman of Korea's bidding committee. Hyundai's size and the traditionally close link between politics and business in South Korea gave Chung great opportunity and influence in expanding Seoul's economic and political horizons. In 1989, Chung became the first South Korean businessman to visit North Korea and discuss inter-Korean ties and business ventures. Chung was also the first to visit the Soviet Union and China and meet with political leaders. These visits came as Moscow and Beijing took initial steps to pull away from traditional relations with Pyongyang and instead establish economic links and grant diplomatic recognition to Seoul. While Chung helped to pioneer early economic and political contact with Moscow, Beijing and Pyongyang, his political fortunes fell after losing a presidential bid to Kim Young Sam. But when Kim Dae Jung won the election in 1997 and laid out improved relations with North Korea as a key goal of his administration, he quickly found an ally in Chung. Hyundai took the reins in building the initial contacts between Kim Dae Jung and North Korean leader Kim Jong Il. Chung's Death and Kim Dae Jung Chung's death comes at a difficult time for both Hyundai's North Korea projects and Kim Dae Jung's Sunshine Policy. Late last year, Hyundai officials warned they would be unable to meet the $12 million monthly tourism fee the company pays to Pyongyang for the operation of the Mount Kumkang site. Hyundai's overall financial troubles have been compounded by its insistence on continuing money- losing ventures in North Korea, undermining the company's ability to attract new contracts and foreign investment. As long as the elder Chung was alive, there was little chance Hyundai would pull out of North Korea or even drastically reduce its presence there. Now his son Chung Mong Hun, the current chairman of Hyundai Asan, the branch of Hyundai concerned with North Korea, will be more susceptible to investor and government calls to rectify Hyundai's debt crisis. Hyundai's ambitious yet profitless North Korean ventures may be scaled back or put on hold. For South Korean President Kim Dae Jung, Chung's death casts a pall over the Sunshine Policy's already cloudy future. Despite becoming the first South Korean president to travel to Pyongyang less than a year ago, Kim's North Korean policy has recently hit a roadblock with U.S. President George W. Bush's inauguration. Bush's apparent hard-line attitude toward the North stands in stark contrast to the conciliatory policies of his predecessor, former President Bill Clinton. In the past Kim could call upon support from Washington when faced with internal opposition to his North Korea policy, but there is little of this near-unconditional support from the current administration. This has created a gap between Seoul and Washington and triggered Pyongyang to unilaterally postpone a planned ministerial-level meeting in March. As well, Pyongyang has again opened the taps on its anti-Washington rhetoric, issuing threatening statements and calling South Korea a colony of the United States. Fueling Political Opposition in Seoul Pyongyang's recalcitrant attitude and Washington's changed heart have fueled calls from South Korea's opposition Grand National Party for a complete overhaul of Seoul's North Korea policy. GNP leader Lee Hoi Chang, who was a close second to Kim Dae Jung in the 1997 elections, said the Sunshine Policy should be replaced with a policy based on "strategic reciprocity," according to the Chosun Ilbo. This mirrors remarks from Washington's Republican leadership, who have also criticized Pyongyang's failure to reduce the threat of war on the Korean peninsula despite repeated gestures and shipments of aid from the South. With South Korea's economy on shaky ground again, the thought that Seoul may be giving handouts to Pyongyang for nothing in return is weakening public support for Kim's policies. Following Kim's summit in Washington, a telephone survey by TN Sopres revealed that 52 percent of South Koreans feel Seoul is giving too much to North Korea, according to the Chosun Ilbo. Only 35 percent felt the aid to Pyongyang was at an appropriate level. Furthermore, nearly 64 percent of those surveyed agreed with the Bush administration's stance that more verification was needed in dealing with North Korea. Adding to the public and political backlash against Kim's seemingly one-sided Korean policy are recent reports that the government has tried to cover up the execution of a South Korean citizen in North Korea. According to local reports, Yu Tae Jun, a North Korean defector, traveled to the Chinese North Korean border to meet his wife in June 2000, around the same time as the inter-Korean summit. Yu was captured by North Korean security forces, according to reports, and publicly executed on treason charges. Yu's mother, also a defector to the South, said South Korean government officials told her to keep quiet about her son's abduction, according to the Korea Herald. A GNP spokesman accused Seoul of being too soft on North Korea, saying, "The government seems to care more about North Korea than its own people." Time is Running Out With public support waning, the GNP on the warpath and Washington's new attitude at odds with Seoul's, time is running out for Kim Dae Jung to get his Sunshine Policy back on track. Already, presidential hopefuls from Kim's own ruling Millennium Democratic Party are positioning themselves for the 2002 elections. With the Sunshine Policy's popularity waning and domestic economic troubles on the rise, North Korean policy will likely be relegated to a back burner. The MDP presidential aspirants have a difficult challenge ahead. The MDP relies upon its coalition partners, including the United Liberal Democrats, to balance the GNP's power. With an expected close race against the GNP's Lee Hoi Chang, MDP politicians will have little room to press less popular issues like the Sunshine Policy. As South Korean presidents are currently only allowed to serve a single term, Kim Dae Jung cannot run for re-election. Instead, he will be called to endorse his party's chosen candidate, possibly at the cost of continuing the Sunshine Policy. Already Kim has had to answer to opposition criticism of his policies, replacing much of his cabinet March 26. There is a narrowing window of opportunity for Kim to fulfill his presidential legacy of achieving meaningful reconciliation with the North. On March 26, representatives from Seoul, Washington and Tokyo will meet to revive tripartite cooperation in formulating a unified North Korean policy. Considering the wide gap between Seoul and Washington on Pyongyang and the current political troubles in Tokyo, this first meeting under the Bush administration is unlikely to rectify the expanding differences of opinion among the three nations. Without strong external support for his policy, particularly from Washington, Kim will find it increasingly difficult to defend it at home. External and internal concern about Kim's North Korean policy are exacerbated by Pyongyang's re-emerging belligerency, itself a response to Washington's changed attitude. For Kim and the Sunshine Policy, the curtain appears to be closing. Washington is unlikely to be readily convinced to return to Clinton's conciliatory North Korean policy. Hyundai, the economic backbone of the Sunshine Policy, has lost its founder and mentor at a time when it is in financial chaos. South Korea's elections, while still more than a year off, are already beginning to drive politics in Seoul. Unless Kim can come up with a breakthrough in inter-Korean reconciliation shortly, like convincing North Korean leader Kim Jong Il to pay his long-awaited reciprocal visit to Seoul, the evening has come for the Sunshine Policy. ------------------------------ From: Hottstuff5344105@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:44:12 EST Subject: the_dojang: Misty Mountain David Woods wrote: "Dear List, Can anyone tell me what the Korean would be for "Misty Mountain" would be? Thanks for any help you can give me. Tang Soo!" I had hoped that one of the Korean's from the list would help you, that is why I waited to reply. Maybe they sent you a private e-mail. If you mean Misty as in a light rain then Misty Mountain would be "BoSulBi San" if you mean Misty as in from a heavy fog it would be "BoDa San." I am sure that there are many other good choices, but that is my answer. IMHO. Those of you with a "Better" answer are free to reply. Just trying to help, I hope it did some good. I have learned though that in the martial arts community, No Good Deed Goes Unpunished. Richard Hackworth www.usnta.net ------------------------------ From: Leah Makuch Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:57:46 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #194 Does anyone know the Korean symbol for journey? If someone could draw it and either send it to me by snail mail or email, I would be eternally grateful...and link to them on the UMass WTF TKD website. To find my snail mail address, email me. Thanks so much if anyone could be of assistance. - -Leah Makuch lyet143@student.umass.edu www.umtkd.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:36:20 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #196 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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