From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #198 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 28 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 198 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: heavy weight training the_dojang: Claiming instructors the_dojang: Mmmm...bodybuilder... the_dojang: Re: Decreasing flexibility from weight training the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #178 the_dojang: Police brutalizing overstepping thier bounds the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #197 the_dojang: Weightlifting and Veal? the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:57:09 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: heavy weight training Light weight training is great, but (correct me if I am wrong)I believe heavy weight training diminishes flexibilty. As the muscle fibers are worked this way, they become tough/tight. Ever eaten veal? NO! Heavy weight training will not necessarily diminish flexibility. Actually, heavy weight training can be very good for the competitive martial artist who doesn't want to go up a weight category but wants to increase strength. (See my previous posts where I talked at length on this) I have to go right now, but be assured weight training can help the martial artist and heavy training can help to. The key is to have a well planned program that includes a periodized weight lifting program, flexibility training, cardio training, and your specific martial art training all working together to achieve your desired goal. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese, CFT, SMAC ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:12:35 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Claiming instructors Rudy: As you know, I agree with you totally. One of the downsides of holding seminars, clinics and other events is that there are always some participants that will claim that they "trained" with you or that, because you taught them some concept or technique, you are now their "instructor". In order for someone to consider me their instructor, there must be a certain amount of one on one time spent evaluating their position and progress, followed by time spent advancing them in their knowledge and correcting their motion to make it reflect more of ME and less of those that went before me. When some wants to be MY student, I assume that they want to do things MY way. Taking on a student at anything but white belt level is VERY serious business and some very narrow ground rules should be in place prior to any instruction being given. I would hate to think that someone who "claims" me as an instructor might actually be out there giving someone the idea that they are representative of what I produce as a student......God help us...J.R. West www.hapkido.com ------------------------------ From: "Wallace, John" Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:43:58 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Mmmm...bodybuilder... I'm sure others will chime in... Nope, two got nothing to do with one another. Inflexibility comes from not stretching enough. There are some great pics in Arnold's Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding of massively (over?)developed guys demonstrating way above average flexibility. One of those old myths ("musclebound"). Keep up a martial arts-style stretching & flexibility regimen and you can get as big as you want. As for tenderness, well, I've never eaten a bodybuilder. Veal's tender because they slaughter them young, and keep them immobile from birth to slaughter. The connective tissue (tendons, muscle sheaths, fascia, etc)never gets stressed from moving. The cattle naturally develop muscle mass as a function of their genetics. Older beef is kept tender by genetics as well. The farmers have bred the cattle to have fat within the muscle tissue (marbling). - -JW - ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:21:49 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #196 Light weight training is great, but (correct me if I am wrong)I believe heavy weight training diminishes flexibilty. As the muscle fibers are worked this way, they become tough/tight. Ever eaten veal? - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: Sarah Pride Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:50:43 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Decreasing flexibility from weight training >>>Light weight training is great, but (correct me if I am wrong)I >>>believe heavy weight training diminishes flexibilty. As the muscle >>>fibers are worked this way, they become tough/tight. Ever eaten >>>veal?<<< This depends on what you mean by heavy weight training. If you mean working out eight hours a day so you become the Incredible Hulk, yes, your muscles become so large they conflict with flexibility. Weight lifting in general, with heavy or light weights, actually increases flexibility by lengthening and strengthening the muscles. - -Sarah Pride- P.S. I am not a fitness major. I am not even 50 years old. Just so everyone will know, and not feel I am "misleading" them by pretending to be someone I am not. I have weight lifted for two years now, however, with weights that are difficult for me. I am more flexible now than I used to be. I can easily put my palms on the ground from a standing position with legs locked, and am finally almost down into a side split. ------------------------------ From: FGS & KVF Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:58:38 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #178 > ------------------------------ > > From: "T. Kennelly" > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:11:10 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Should Black Belt testing be cumulative or just the techniques since last promotion. > > I was pondering whether a black belt test should include all of the techniques the student has learned on their journey to that test or only be tested on the new techniques learned from 1st Gup. In other words, as one progresses through the ranks does their next belt test require demonstration of techniques back to white belt or just the techniques learned since their last promotion. > > I hope those responding will be from both Taekwondo and Hapkido backgrounds. > > P.S. Also I want to recognize that senior and executive adults may have more difficulty with a cumulative test and therefore a paring of that test may be beneficial. > > ------------------------------ > I feel that the BB testing should be cumultive. What is the use of just remembering the last requirements. As a BB you must teach and demo all the skills. Hopefully, by BB test, the student will have progressed in skill in all the color belt requirements, and this will show up on the test. All of the schools I have been involved with do this, and the one that did not, I had a friend there, had BBs whose skills were subpar. Spunky _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:43:20 EST Subject: the_dojang: Police brutalizing overstepping thier bounds <<<< Someone wrote:1. Do not cuss. Foul language appears to be 'failure to cooperate' which can apparently swing the individual into a category of inappropriate behavior ergo you are unmanageable and may be therefore a threat. We may agree, It is not reasonable to brutalize someone for their choices in language but this very concern does come up over and over. We may also agree that at the point the officer views you as uncooperative, there may be license to get physical>> you gotta be kidding me.... Why don't you cite the whole story with all the facts. Harsh language is not what gives the Police Officer "license to get physical" It's people not being compliant after being placed under arrest. If they followed simple commands (even a 5 year old can under stand) They would'nt be in trouble in the first place. Then she wrote:<> It's not excessive treatment, it's called Officer Safety. When told to keep your hands in plain view , Keep them in plain view! How hard is that to understand? The Officer doesnt know what you are doing, for all he knows your pulling a gun, knife boxcutter or some other object out of your pocket to kill him and leave his wife and kids fatherless. <<<<4. Do not touch. Touching, including spitting at an officer is poor form. You may be physically pounced on as a matter of routine. The question comes up as to what is excessive. Law Enforcement Officers apparently get to fall into a wide range of what some folks might call 'excessive treatment ' when you touch. >>> You got to be kidding me? Don't touch.... It's called uncontested touching ...Assault and battery , against the law and it is not "excessive treatment, it's called effecting an arrest. Police officers are not paid to take a beating ,be spat upon ,or shot or stabbed. Do that and you deserve what happens to you, cause if you do that to a cop you apparently dont have a problem doing it to John Q. Public. <>> As a matter of routine , Police Officers DO NOT "POUNCE" on people they are pat frisking when they find undisclosed weapons. It is a matter of course to do so, and No one would risk thier job and pension to perform "Excessive treatment". <>>> You have to be kidding me, It's not struggling, It's called resisting arrest. And pouncing is called Pain compliance using what is neccessary to effect a lawful arrest.Your recourse. <<< Can you demonstrate brutality although you fully cooperation ? Your innocence in court? This is more likely if : 1. You have in most cases witnesses; 2. You can take a lie detector and pass; 3. You have injuries that MUST be explained; 4. You memorized and wrote down as soon as possible names, faces, badge numbers, the street corner, the store, the time etc. ; 5. You filed a complaint with the States Attorney and policing department head; 6. You filed discrimination charges....[and more goes here] Elisabethe >>>> Hey do us all a favor, next time wait a while after you wrap your lips around a crack pipe before you write nonsense like this on the list. Jack ------------------------------ From: DWoods321@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 05:55:59 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #197 Chris H., Misty Mountain is actually where I learned Tang Soo Do. In the mountains of Pennsylvania which where I lived at were constantly enshrouded in a very thick mist or fog. I am somewhat modifying Tang Soo Do to suit me. I will still teach traditional Tang Soo Do but wish to distinquish my own personal style of TSD from traditional TSD. This type of thing has been done in China and Okinawa for sometime although you do not see it very often anymore. Take care and God Bless! Tang Soo! David Woods ------------------------------ From: drewg.gassiot@att.net Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:39:44 +0000 Subject: the_dojang: Weightlifting and Veal? It's a fairly common misconception that weight lifting will make you literally, "musclebound". That's only true if you do not stretch. Many bodybuilders stretch a great deal to get the muscle to lengthen a bit more and develop a larger "peak" when it's flexed. In practice it's better to warm up either jumping rope, running, or stationary bike for 5-10 minutes just to get the blood flowing. Stretching (static) seems to have a greater affect after a workout when the muscles are still warm and fatigued. In MA stretching before is just about mandatory, but I see a lot of folks leave without stretching after a session. DREW "Actually it's a buck and a quarter, quarter staff."" ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 7:57:11 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #198 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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