From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #201 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 29 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 201 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Self-defense techniques for disable people the_dojang: Re: Washington DC the_dojang: LEO's the_dojang: RE: Push-ups the_dojang: Re; Experienced White Belt the_dojang: Re: Experienced Whitebelts the_dojang: RE: Experienced Whitebelts the_dojang: "thumping" citizens the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #199 the_dojang: Re: Experienced Whitebelts the_dojang: AKSE Conference in SOAS London the_dojang: Rushing to Sunshine (Seoul Diaries) the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #200 the_dojang: RE: Police force the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! 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To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:18:33 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Self-defense techniques for disable people Critical Care writes: <> Check out the following site: http://www.defenseability.com/ Michael Rowe ------------------------------ From: BTBEACH@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:17:37 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Washington DC Jin Pal Kim Hapkido is right out side of DC in Rockville MD about a mile and a half from 495. 11410 Rockville Pike Rockville, MD 301-881-8888 Ask for Eric Kim, he is the grandmaster's son and teaches most classes. GM Kim is there every day. You can check out the federation at www.jinpal.com I'm usually there Mon, Weds, Fri. or Sat. Mr. Ken McDonough has seen one of our demos if you'd like a second opinion. Hope to see there, Brian Beach ------------------------------ From: "Frank Clay" Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:24:14 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: LEO's Dear Sir, I am unsure of what jurisdiction you had that experience in, however, as a former LEO, I would like to think that perhaps you simply ran into a bad apple, which do exist. For the most part, LEO's take teir jobs very seriously as they are typically held to a higher standard in reference to necessary force and whatnot than joe schmoe. In the vast majority of cases, force used by LEO's is definately justified. No offense, but there is more to your case than what you have pre supposed. In no jurisdiction would anyone be tossed into jail without probable cause. That is not how our legal system works. There are lawyers on this list who can provide you with much more information than I. Frank Clay Welcome to visit Shaolin Disciple's Site at http://shaolintemple.yeah.net ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. ------------------------------ From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:32:06 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Push-ups <> Not as much as I :) My students do the above as well as the following: Knife hand push-ups (done on your knife edge) Ridge hand Push-ups (done on the ridge edge) Crane Head Push ups (done on the back of the hand) Inverted Hand Pushups (normal push-ups but your finger tips are pointed towards your feet) Hand stand push ups (done in a hand stand) one arm/one leg push up (only have the right hand and left leg on the ground - - then switch) I try to get at least 10 of each set in. Students are encouraged to do the 10 but only have to get as many as they can as the develop their strength. Qapla' Michael Rowe ------------------------------ From: Melody Cookson Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:55:35 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re; Experienced White Belt Brian - At our school, we don't see belt tests just as an income flow opportunity. How transfers are placed depends on their previous style. If they are from a TKD background, regardless of the style, and their belt closely reflects their skill, we freeze them at their GUP LEVEL (belt colors can vary) until they have memorized our curriculum up to their gup level. That may mean a high belt starts in the lower belt classes to catch up, but they are still accorded the respect they have earned by previous work. If from another style, they usually start at white unless they have extensive experience or are a black belt. Then, the Head Instructor will evaluate and place the student at a level where they will not be overwhelmed by the catchup work, but not get bored either. Black belts from TKD keep their black belt if they can prove certification by a reputable source...however, they cannot get reduced black belt tuition until the gup curriculum is memorized and perfected. Some schools want to be snooty about their teaching, or get the most belt fees from folks, but I would imagine they have a hard time retaining experienced folks who could get bored, not to mention losing an opportunity to have those people provide leadership and teaching assistance sooner. Just my 2 cents... Melody Cookson Director, East Coast TKD Alpharetta, GA ------------------------------ From: Janet Moore Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:04:57 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Experienced Whitebelts Brian, Why should you have to go back to whitebelt? At my school when a student comes in from another school, they retain whatever belt they had previously. It seems ridiculous to have a student return to a white belt with your experience. Janet Moore > From: "Brian Woodard" > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:58:47 -0600 > Subject: the_dojang: Experienced Whitebelts > > I have a question for the instructors on the list. > I will be moving this weekend to the East Coast int eh Charleston, SC area. > I have several options open to me for MA schools. My question is this: > How do your repsective dojangs handle a new student with experience. I > realize that I will be a white belt again, and I will have to learn the new > schools curiculum. If I had not moved I would have tested for 1st Dan this > May. However with my experience, (3years) knowlege of the mechanics of > kicking techniques, punching techniques, stances, forms, and sparring would > I still advance at the same rate as a white belt with no prior MA > experience? > > Thank you in advance for your comments, > > Brian Woodard ------------------------------ From: "Mr. Klingler" Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:18:21 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Experienced Whitebelts Brian Woodard wrote: <> I have two students in my dojang right now that have had previous experience in MA. One had about 1.5yrs in TSD and the other about 1yr in a completely different style. I teach TKD. I simply use my best judgment when it pertains to the ability of the new 'experienced' student. Not that you or anyone would lie about their previous experience, but I always start them at white and move them up the ranks as they show they can perform the requirements just as well or better than someone at that belt level. Because I am apart of an organization that regularly has promotion tests every three months, I usually promote the 'experienced' student from within my own dojang until they achieve a rank that is most suited to their abilities. Once they reach that rank, they will then move on to the next rank through the normal promotion process. I would assume most other instructors would follow the same sort of program... correct me if I am wrong. I am always open to new enlightenment. Mr. K ------------------------------ From: Dave Weller Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:23:12 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: "thumping" citizens - ---Snip--- >From: Bernard G Redfield >Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:17:41 -0500 >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Police brutalizing overstepping thier bounds > >I agree with Jack 100% >If you do as you are told, show proper respect, ie, yes sir, no sir, and >don't act like an idiot, there is no problem at all, if you resist, act >the fool, mouth off, posture, then I think you deserve to be subdued >with extreme prejudice. the only people who have problems with this are >the idiots who shoot of the old mouth and then cry when they get >thumped. >oooohhh oooohhhh ,I'm calling a lawyer, I'm calling the ACLU - ------->unsnip<---------- I will probably rue the day I responded to this, but I have to take issue with this post. Fact: Innocent people sometimes get arrested. Fact: The COURTS and a JURY decide who is guilty and their punishment. Innocent until proven guilty is a lynchpin of our legal system. Attitudes such as those expressed above are a serious problem. If you were accused of something you did not do, and were being arrested, would you stand there like a post and not protest your arrest? And if I choose not to call you "sir", does that give you the right to "thump" me? If I were take issue with my treatment at the hands of an LEO and "thump" back, I am guilty of a serious crime. Yet you act as if a "thumping" is something an LEO can do just because they decide they don't care for the way I am acting and not be held accountable for it. I'm all for treating hard working, dedicated law enforcement officers with respect, but you don't seem to get the simple fact that SHOULD have been learned in your Dojang on DAY ONE, that respect is a two way street. Since the laws are weighted on the side of the LEO (as they should be) in a confrontation, I am precluded from using physical force to contend with mistreatment. My only recourse is through the LAW. If you take the right to pursue a mistreatment by an authority in the courts away, you just as well rip the flag down and spit on it. Please understand this is not a broadside at LEO's. You guys do the dirty work every day that keeps America a great place. I respect and admire your efforts. You work for low pay, in crappy conditions, and have to deal with some of the least desirable folks on earth. I can see how attitudes such as the above might arise. I only hope that such attitudes are isolated and rare, and feel confident that the vast majority of LEO's act in a more responsible fashion. I remain, respectfully, dave weller student wtf tkd "Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself." Myamoto Musashi ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:07:36 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #199 Does anyone on the DD know of a Tang Soo Do school (preferrably an International Tang Soo Do Federation one) near the University of Vermont...Birmington, Vermont ? Thanks in Advance. Cheree ------------------------------ From: Richard Zaruba Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:23:22 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Experienced Whitebelts It depends on how similar the school you are coming from is to the one you are going too. I have a number of students with previous experience in other styles, including black belts from other styles. The self discipline that you have learned will help a lot but how do the mechanics compare. I have a shotokan black belt that is progressing slower than normal because he is so stiff and rigid in his body mechanics and a circular motion is very difficult for him. On the other hand, I have a student with black belts in hkd and tkd that is advancing faster than normal. All that being said I guess it all comes down to the student. Best thing to do is approach the situation with an open, but analytical, mind. Respectfully, Richard Zaruba ____________________________________________________________________________ "Large egos are carried by small minds." Anon. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:16:41 PST Subject: the_dojang: AKSE Conference in SOAS London Forwarded message: AKSE Conference on Korean Studies in SOAS (4-8 April), University of London AKSE (Association of Korean Studies in Europe) has its 20th international conference in SOAS Brunei building (5-8 April 2001) organized by the Centre for Korean Studies, School of Oriental & African Studies, University of London. Throughout its history, AKSE has been for nearly 30 years the academic and scholary forum of Korean Studies in Europe and the fundamental vehicle of development for Korean studies as a discipline in European universities. Scholars from Eastern and Western Europe, Russia, Japan, North America, and Korea will present 56 papers in 8 panels of Pre-Modern history, Modern history, Buddhism, Philosophy, Anthropology, Lingusitics, Literature, and Modern Korea. We are pleased that four scholars from the Academy of Social Science in P'yongyang will participate in this conference and present their papers. Notice: History, Language and Culture in Korea -Proceedings of the 20th Conference of the Association of Korean Studies in Europe (AKSE)-. Compiled by Youngsook Pak and Jaehoon Yeon. London: Saffron Books, 2001. 433pp. ISBN 1 872843 27 1 (A volume containing 37 papers to be presented at the Conference) Please contact directly to the publisher for copies: Sajid Rizvi SAFFRON BOOKS Art Publisher P O BOx 13666 London SW14 8WF An imprint of Eastern Art Publishing, a member of the EAPGROUP http://www.eapgroup.com E-mail: main@eapgroup.com, saffron@eapgroup.com Youngsook Pak Chair, Centre for Korean Studies Secretary, AKSE ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:18:14 PST Subject: the_dojang: Rushing to Sunshine (Seoul Diaries) Forwarded message: List members might be interested in knowing about Solrun Hooas' recently completed documentary from South Korea "Rushing to Sunshine" which is a follow-up on her previous "Pyongyang Diaries" on North Korea. More information on the two films can be found on www.roninfilms.com.au and in the archives of an online documentary magazine, www.documenter.com. I've also seen a fuller synopsis of the film and it looks very intriguing, I must say. Both films are available from www.roninfilms.com.au, except the US where First Run Icarus Films handles the video sales for "Pyongyang Diaries". RUSHING TO SUNSHINE (Seoul Diaries) 73 mins. Documentary. VHS Korean/English dialogue. English subtitles Synopsis: South Korea's "Sunshine Policy" under President Kim Dae-Jung's presidency has opened up unprecedented business and cultural contact with the communist North. From March l998 to October 2000 the film follows this process and its many paradoxes, such as the anachronistic National Security Law, which prohibits "praising and encouraging" North Korea, still defined as "an enemy country". Yet South Koreans flock there on tourist cruises. The cases against Prof. Lee Jang-Ho and a children's book on reunification and also artist Shin Hak-Chul are among the paradoxes. The film gives voice to hopes and aspirations for reunification, as well as anxiety and resistance in a range of people in the South, and reveals changes in attitudes in post-summit Korea. Made with the assistance of Cinemedia, Asialink, Australia-Korea Foundation, Korean Culture and Arts Foundation Produced, Directed, Written and and Narrated by Solrun Hoaas ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:09:30 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #200 << How do your respective dojangs handle a new student with experience. I realize that I will be a white belt again >> Here's my question: Was the school you were training at affiliated with a federation or larger-scale organization? If so, perhaps you may find a school near your new location under the same federation or organization. That would enable you to retain your rank. If not, have you considered talking to your instructor to see if he/she has affiliates abroad that teach similarly ? Just a thought- Cheree ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:16:08 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Police force > ------------------------------ > > From: Bernard G Redfield > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:17:41 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: Police brutalizing overstepping thier bounds > > I agree with Jack 100% > If you do as you are told, show proper respect, ie, yes sir, no sir, and > don't act like an idiot, there is no problem at all, if you resist, act > the fool, mouth off, posture, then I think you deserve to be subdued > with extreme prejudice. the only people who have problems with this are > the idiots who shoot of the old mouth and then cry when they get > thumped. > oooohhh oooohhhh ,I'm calling a lawyer, I'm calling the ACLU > > ------------------------------ > This deserves one more brief comment. Physically resisting or interfering with the officer's duties ARE reasons for use of police force. Showing disrespect, mouthing off, posturing, acting the fool, ARE NOT. If an officer can't show self-restraint when confronted with non-threatening constitutionally-protected actions then perhaps that person should find another line of work, and the recipient of any such unjustified force has every right to engage a lawyer or the ACLU. Yes, LEOs face a great deal of stress and danger. Still, they have chosen that profession. Deal with the problems. As martial artists we are charged with maintaining and teaching attitudes of respect, but we are also equally concerned with justice, and one of the many injustices our fore-fathers tried to address in the framing of our consitution was an unconstrained and unaccountable police force. We should be just as vocal and active for the rights of the individual as we are for their responsibilities. If you were displaying a little tongue-in-cheek sarcasm, Mr. Redfield, then please excuse me and kindly ignore the diatribe. :) Kerry WTF TKD ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:25:14 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #201 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.