From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #204 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 30 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 204 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Hai Karate Cologne the_dojang: ankles the_dojang: 5 Year Olds the_dojang: Re: Dan fees Re: the_dojang: Re: Dan fees the_dojang: RE: Good remedy or bad remedy? the_dojang: Re: Baseball and Squid in Korea the_dojang: HKD tapes [none] the_dojang: White Belts, Police Brutality, et al... the_dojang: starting over and goals the_dojang: FW: Post-I was one of those "experienced" white belts the_dojang: Experienced White Belts the_dojang: Re: IOC prez candidates the_dojang: Re: Kim, U.Y and IOC race the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! 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David << Does anyone out there know where to get Hai Karate Cologne?... Richard Hackworth >> ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 7:12:22 PST Subject: the_dojang: ankles Expensive Trainers Take A Toll On Basketball Players' Ankles March 27, 2001 (BMJ) - Basketball players wearing trainers with air cells in the heels are over four times more vulnerable to ankle injury, finds a study in the British Journal of Sports Medicine. A courtside study of over 10,000 mostly recreational players in Australia revealed an injury rate of 3.85 per 1000, with 37 players sustaining an ankle injury. Almost half of the injuries occurred during landing, with half of these attributable to landing on another player's foot. Sharp twisting and turning, an integral part of basketball technique, accounted for almost a third of all ankle injuries. Players who did not stretch before play were over 2.5 times as likely to injure their ankles. Players who had already injured their ankles were almost five times as likely to do so again. Three quarters of the injured players fell into this category. Around one in four players had not sought medical advice the first time around, a factor which may have played a part in subsequent injury, suggest the authors. Players who wore shoes with air cells in the heels were over four times as likely to injure their ankles. These shoes were significantly more expensive than those without air cells in the heels. The authors suggest that such shoes may decrease heel stability, so making the ankle more vulnerable to injury. ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:46:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: 5 Year Olds Dear All, I have moved my dojang from my humble garage to a full sized gymnasium in a day care. This includes expanding my student base from age 8 and up to age 5 and up. Although I have taught "Little Dragons" before I thought surely there are others on this list that have experiences and or a resource (book, video, etc.)about, class ideas, and suggestions they would like to share on or off list. And give me strength to avoid 2.5 through 4 year olds . My wife tells me I'm getting some gray in my beard. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ From: cspiller@e3mil.com Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:02:17 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Dan fees >I have a question for those of Kuk-ki-won certified ? Recently a student of mine whom cross trains in Hapkido and Tae-kwon-do was tested for his third Dan in Tae-kwon-do at a recent test,his Tae kwon do instructor and freind told him his test was for free,But if he wanted his Kuk-Ki-Won certificate it would be $750 is unusual?< >I seem to remember the fees were lower than that Does anyone know ? I am happy his friend waved his test fee for the sake of friendship< I tried accessing the information from the ftp site at martialartsresource.com but was unable to. However, Ray said that $700 was the fee for NINTH dan, so what is a third dan doing paying $750? Sounds to me like there WAS a test fee after all. If this is what he does to his friends, I'd hate to see what he does to his enemies. Taekwon, Chris "Every Experience of Beauty Points to Infinity" Hans Urs von Balthasar _______________________________________________________________ Get your Private, Anti-Spam, Free Email at http://e3mil.com Your Internet Home for Your Faith, Your Life, and Your World! ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 7:42:27 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Dan fees > I tried accessing the information from the ftp site at martialartsresource.com > but was unable to. However, Ray said that $700 was the fee for NINTH dan, so > what is a third dan doing paying $750? Sounds to me like there WAS a test fee > after all. It should be there on the ftp site. 3rd Dan/Poom is $120, in the US. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:09:14 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Good remedy or bad remedy? > From: Beungood@aol.com > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:00:06 EST > Subject: the_dojang: Police "brutality" > > <<>>> oooohhh oooohhhh ,I'm calling a lawyer <<< > > The magic words, if you're just being harrased it puts everybody on notice > that you know something about how the system works, and are aware of your > rights. It helps keep those "little" problems caused by a bad day > "little".>> > > LOL, another pearl of wisdom. Some idiots think any interaction with LaW > Enforcement is Harrassment even when they are the cause. Some people > don't think the laws apply to them and when caugght start with that "I > know my rights" crap even when they are wrong. That nice line might be > the difference between getting a little discretion from the officer when > you COULD be arrested but the Officer decides to cut a little slack, and > being arrested and "harrassed with the remedy proscribed by the law. > > > Jack Ouellette > > Hmmm, Jack... did you mean to write "prescibed" instead of "proscribed" ? Proscribed means condemned or forbidden, or did I read your intent wrong? Thanks Kerry ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:25:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Baseball and Squid in Korea This was mentioned: Response: I recall that when I went to a baseball game in Pusan, instead of "Get your hotdogs, get your peanuts...", it was "get your Squid...get your Kimchee..." What do you do with this song: Take me out to the ballgame, re: "...buy me some peanuts and crackerjacks, I don't care..." Squid Kimchee Something to ponder... McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 9:18:49 PST Subject: the_dojang: HKD tapes > ... I have not seen the > traditional Hapkido video's from Rims Hapkido. I would like to hear > more about there content and is it the same as what you do Master Terry? There are 5 in the set and they cover some pretty basic areas. The primary complaint that I had about them is they forget that there is a rewind button on all VCRs these days. :) No need to go over and over and over the same material when one can rewind and reply through the instruction. Yes, the material is similar or identical to what we do or have previously seen. However what is generally termed a kick on these videos is what we would call a sweep. It has been a bit since I viewed them all, but I don't seem to recall much in the way of 'real' kicks. But I attributed this to the lineage being closer to Daitoryu. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Brian Emery" Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:43:52 -0500 Subject: [none] I am looking for the definition for the term kwan. please help me, you can send it off list if you would like. thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: drewg.gassiot@att.net Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:57:23 +0000 Subject: the_dojang: White Belts, Police Brutality, et al... Belts: Regardless of your belt color you will know where you stand in the "ranks" of the other students. It doesn't matter where you sit and where you line up. When the gear goes on and the sparring begins all of that really doesn't matter. I will never forget sparring "senior" students that, had little ability when I was a yellow- green belt. How did they get promoted? They could still perform all the criteria, they just could not apply all of their training well. Changing organizations may require starting all over with rank, but your new instructor should work with you to allow you to skip ranks or at least test at an accelerated pace. Police Brutatlity: Never experienced it, my brother often has, 'course he tends to pop off during every encounter. My best personal encounter was when I went thrhough a "yellow" light turning left in a beautifully crossed up position, just to pass the office who was third in line at the red light. He was obviously impressed, he laughed and hit his lights, as I passed him sideways, looking at him through my front windshield. Pulling over, politly waiting for him to turn around, and being very respectful, resulted in a single citation, red light. It could have been at least three. Regards, DREW ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:35:04 PST Subject: the_dojang: starting over and goals wrt the discussion on starting over at a new school... Part of the problem, IMHO, is that we focus to much on the goal of obtaining that magical black belt. Even painted on the wall of one of the dojangs I frequent is the statement "Our Goal is Black Belt". I would submit that this is perhaps a primary reason for the vast majority of students never progressing beyond 1st Dan. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Diane C. Wall" Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:10:28 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: FW: Post-I was one of those "experienced" white belts Subject: Post-I was one of those "experienced" white belts In response to the recent thread and Jane's post, let me add that I was one of those "experienced" white belts. I studied kempo-like style for over 5 years, did the tournament circuit and all else the instructor told me to. It took awhile to realize that he was not one of those "reputable" sources. And for that and many other reasons, I left that school. When I approached Master Whalen to ask if I could study HapKiDo with him welcomed me to join. It never occurred to me that I should ask to keep my old rank. Just watching his students and himself, I felt humbled just to stand in the back row, ready to learn anything they would teach me. He was generous enough to ask if we would care to wear the previous rank (there were three of us "experienced white belts" at the time). All of us wanted to go thru the ranks. As a last note, I think it is the reputable instructor who attracts honorable students who focus on the virtues of the martial spirit, not the mcdojang who wants students who have their belts match the scrunchie in their hair. Bowing Respectfully Diane Wall Vicious Woman ------------------------------ From: J T Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:46:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Experienced White Belts Your best bet is to come in and offer to begin as a white belt. The instructor will decide where to put you. Perhaps he may tell you to stay the rank that you are presently until you learn his/her curriculm. Perhaps you may start as a white belt, but be put on a fast promotion test until you reach the level that you are today. The bottom line is don't worry about where you start in the new school. Just worry about learning and unlearning to adapt to the new school. That in itself will be a challenge. Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:45:53 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: IOC prez candidates i thought folks might find this interesting. i recieved this from the sabaki list, hosted and posted by hoosain narker.....melinda: Olympics-Strengths and weaknesses of IOC presidential candidates By Adrian Warner LONDON, March 23 (Reuters) - South Korean Kim Un-yong on Friday became the third candidate to put his name forward for July's vote to decide the next president of the International Olympic Committee (IOC). Here are penpix including strengths and weaknesses of the candidates set to take part in the vote in Moscow. Former U.S. Olympic rower Anita DeFrantz and Hungary's ex-fencer Pal Schmitt have also declared their intention to run in the race to decide the successor to Juan Antonio Samaranch, who is retiring after 21 years in the job. Belgian surgeon Jacques Rogge will hold a news conference in Brussels on Monday when he is expected to become the fourth IOC member to join the race. Candidates must put their names forward by the deadline of April 16 and a full list is due to be announced on April 17. A session of all IOC members will choose the next president at an IOC session in Moscow on July 13-16. DECLARED CANDIDATES ANITA DEFRANTZ (UNITED STATES) AGE: 48 SPORTING ACHIEVEMENTS: Rowing bronze medallist and U.S. team captain at 1976 Montreal Olympics. World championship silver medallist (1978). CAREER: Qualified attorney. SPORTS ADMINISTRATION EXPERIENCE: Member of Board of directors of U.S. Rowing Association. Member of IOC since 1986. IOC vice-president since 1997. Vice-president of organising committee of 1984 Los Angeles Olympics. STRENGTHS: The most powerful woman in world sports administration. This could be a dry run for DeFrantz who is relatively young compared to the other candidates. She might have more chance of winning the race next time. She has campaigned for more women in sport and sports administration. WEAKNESSES: Struggles to speak French, the IOC's second language. Not a naturally charismatic figure. CHANCES: Very unlikely to be in the top two finishers in vote. Could even go out in first round of voting. - - - - - KIM UN-YONG (SOUTH KOREA) AGE: 70. SPORTING ACHIEVEMENTS: Competed at taekwondo, judo and athletes at national championship level. CAREER: Former secretary to the prime minister. United Nations General Assembly delegate (1965), Special envoy of the South Korean President (1990), Ambassador at Large (1996), member of council of advisors in Korean unification (1997). SPORTS ADMINISTRATION EXPERIENCE: Vice-president of organising committee of 1988 Seoul Olympics. President of the World Taekwondo Federation, President of the General Association of Sports Federations (GAISF) (since 1986). Member of IOC since 1986 who has served on executive board and as vice president. STRENGTHS: A powerful and influential man in world sports organisations as well as being a serious figure in international political circles. Fluent English speaker who also speaks French, Spanish, Japanese. Kim probably has more influential contacts in and out of sport than any of the other candidates. WEAKNESSES: Kim is the oldest of the candidates. He was handed a "most serious warning" by the ad-hoc commission investigating the Salt Lake City bribery scandal in 1998 and 1999. The commission found a Salt Lake bid official had arranged to pay at least part of the salary of Kim's son when he worked for a U.S. company. Kim denied all knowledge of the arrangement and the commission said in a report that it could not prove otherwise. Media could focus on this during campaign. CHANCES: Very likely to reach the last round of voting and a strong candidate for the job. - - - - - PAL SCHMITT (HUNGARY) AGE: 58 (59 on May 13) SPORTING ACHIEVEMENTS: Team epee gold medallist at 1968 Mexico Games and 1972 Munich Games. CAREER: Hotel administration, director of national stadium, Hungary ambassador to Spain (1993-97) SPORTS ADMINISTRATION EXPERIENCE: Leading positions in Hungarian Olympic Committee since 1989. Member of IOC since 1983 and was first voted on to the executive board in 1991 and has held office of vice president. Member of coordination commission for Winter Games in Albertville (1992) and Lillehammer (1994). Vice-chairman of athletes commission (1984-88) STRENGTHS: Experienced IOC operator who speaks several languages. WEAKNESSES: Has not held such high-profile positions as main rivals. CHANCES: Unlikely to get past the early rounds of voting. - - - - - PROBABLE CANDIDATE JACQUES ROGGE (BELGIUM) AGE: 58 (59 on May 2) SPORTING ACHIEVEMENTS: Yachting competitor at 1968, 1972 and 1976 Olympics. World champion. Won 10 caps for Belgian national rugby team. CAREER: Orthopaedic surgeon. Former sports medicine lecturer. SPORTS ADMINISTRATION EXPERIENCE: President of the European Olympic Committees since 1989. Chef de mission at Winter Games in Innsbruck (1976) and Calgary (1988) and Summer Games in Moscow (1980), Los Angeles (1984) and Seoul (1988). IOC member since 1991. Member of IOC medical commission and chief coordinator for 2000 Sydney Games and 2004 Athens Games. STRENGTHS: Multi-lingual leader who has a reputation for solving problems through negotiation which helped him organise successful Sydney Games. A natural diplomat. WEAKNESSES: Some members may think he is not tough enough for the job. He is not as experienced in IOC and sport politics as Dick Pound and Kim. CHANCES: Rogge, who holds a news conference in Brussels on Monday where he is expected to announce he is running, is the hot favourite to win in some people's minds but faces a real battle with Kim. - - - - - POSSIBLE CANDIDATE DICK POUND (CANADA) AGE: 59. SPORTING ACHIEVEMENTS: Olympic swimming finalist in 100 metres freestyle at 1960 Rome Games, freestyle gold medallist at 1962 Commonwealth Games. CAREER: Lawyer, lecturer. SPORTS ADMINISTRATION EXPERIENCE: Member of IOC since 1978. First voted on to executive board in 1983 and held office of vice- president. Chairman of commission for television rights negotiations since 1983 and marketing since 1998. STRENGTHS: A key player in turning the Olympics into a commercial success through marketing and television rights deals, Pound has a reputation as a tough negotiator who has had a high-profile role at the organisation for some time. WEAKNESSES: May lose votes from some members because of his role as head of the commission which threw members out of the organisation after the Salt Lake bribery scandal in 1998 and 1999. Has a tendency to speak his mind which can upset people. CHANCES: The big question is whether Pound will decide to stand at all. He may decide that he has a lot to lose in a three-way battle with Rogge and Kim. Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:49:56 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kim, U.Y and IOC race more on the IOC. a bit of redundant information, but the focus is more on kim this time with his own comments. i also received this one from the sabaki list, hosted and posted by hoosain narker..........melinda: Olympics-Kim joins race for sport's biggest job By Adrian Warner LONDON, March 23 (Reuters) - South Korean Kim Un-yong on Friday joined the race for world sport's most powerful job -- the International Olympic Committee (IOC) presidency. The 70-year-old Kim, who was handed a "most serious warning" by the ad-hoc commission investigating the Salt Lake City bribery scandal in 1998 and 1999, said he would put his name forward for the IOC vote in Moscow in July. The announcement was made in a letter to IOC members seen by Reuters. Kim will hold a news conference to launch his campaign on April 3 in Monaco, an aide said. "I have the pleasure of informing you that I will formally announce my candidacy to succeed Juan Antonio Samaranch as President of the IOC," the letter began. "I ask for your support to serve you and to work closely with you as your next president." Samaranch, 80, will stand down in Moscow after 21 years in the job. Kim, 10 years his junior, became the third IOC member to stand after former U.S. Olympic rower Anita DeFrantz and Hungary's ex-fencer Pal Schmitt. But former United Nations General Assembly delegate Kim, one of the most influential figures in world sport as head of the General Association of Sports Federations (GAISF), is by far the heavyweight figure of the trio. His fiercest rival, Belgian surgeon Jacques Rogge, will hold a news conference on Monday when he is expected to announce his candidacy. The big question now is whether Canadian lawyer Dick Pound, who has played a key role in making the Olympics a commercial success in the last two decades, will run or not. STRONG COMEBACK Kim has made a strong comeback since being embroiled in the Salt Lake scandal, the biggest bribery affair in Olympic history. Some 10 members either resigned from the IOC or were thrown out of the organisation for breaking rules on accepting gifts from Salt Lake when it was bidding successfully for the 2002 Winter Games. Other members were handed warnings. The South Korean was handed a "most serious warning" after the commission found a Salt Lake bid official had arranged to pay at least part of the salary of Kim's son when he worked for a U.S. company. Kim denied all knowledge of the arrangement and the commission said in a report that it could not prove otherwise. The former taekwondo competitor has excellent contacts in politics as a former special envoy of the South Korean President. He also worked as an ambassador at large. Kim has also been a member of the council of advisors in Korean unification since 1997. In his letter to members he pointed to his efforts in bringing together two countries who remain technically at war under a 1953 armed truce. "This past year, I have been privileged to help promote peace on the Korean peninsula with sports as a harmonising element: the North and South Korean joint parade at the opening of the Sydney Olympic Games," he wrote. Candidates have until April 16 to put their names forward before the IOC announces an official list of candidates on April 17. The next few months are expected to witness a fierce campaign. Pound, a lawyer who has a reputation for speaking his mind, has kept his counsel about his plans in the last few weeks. The fact is that a race involving three strong candidates like Rogge, Pound and Kim is likely to have one big loser. One of the three will probably fail to make it through to the last round of voting and see his reputation hit hard. Pound, the IOC's marketing chief, may decide he has more to lose than he has to win. Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:23:07 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #204 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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