From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #205 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 30 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 205 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #204 the_dojang: Kukkiwon fee the_dojang: RE: Our Goal is Black Belt the_dojang: marketing Re: the_dojang: Kukkiwon fee the_dojang: kukkiwon taekwondo dan fees the_dojang: Definition of the term kwan the_dojang: death penalty the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #204 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:17:08 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #204 In a message dated 3/30/01 3:59:47 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << 3rd Dan/Poom is $120, in the US. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com >> The $120 is the price paid to the Kukkiwon. The total cost of the test/promotion will be the Kukkiwon fee plus the amount of the Test fee charged by the person administering the test and awarding the promotion. gary pieratt New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:20:32 EST Subject: the_dojang: Kukkiwon fee go to http://www.tkdreform.com/Letter1.htm#II. KUKKIWON DAN CERTIFICATION to see that the fee for those living in Korea is only $25. In a message dated 3/30/01 3:59:47 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << It should be there on the ftp site. 3rd Dan/Poom is $120, in the US. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ >> ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:26:40 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Our Goal is Black Belt Ray, I agree. We tend to set up the goal as black belt from the time we start. I say we collectively. Most people do. Then when one reaches it, they have achieved their goal. They have arrived. A very difficult mindset to overcome. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:57:34 PST Subject: the_dojang: marketing > The $120 is the price paid to the Kukkiwon. The total cost of the > test/promotion will be the Kukkiwon fee plus the amount of the Test fee > charged by the person administering the test and awarding the promotion. Exactly. However some (many?) instructors will attempt to claim that the Kukkiwon cost is, say $750, instead of being honest and up-front by showing separate line items for Kukkiwon fee, testing fee, etc. One very old, traditional, and well known TKD MDK Grandmaster from here in California used to claim that a renewal fee had to be paid to the Kukkiwon every so often or you'd lose your Dan rank. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com P.S. Please send in those renewal fees to Ray Terry PO Box 110841 ... :) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:04:15 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Kukkiwon fee > http://www.tkdreform.com/Letter1.htm#II. KUKKIWON DAN CERTIFICATION > > to see that the fee for those living in Korea is only $25. What would be interesting is to compare what $25 in average Korean salary translates to in average US salary. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "jere-hilland" Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:39:30 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: kukkiwon taekwondo dan fees I pulled this from another post. Sorry, I do not remember who it was from so I am unable to give the proper credit.... 1st Poom: Korean pays W 16,900 ($14.69). American pays $70 2nd Poom: Korean pays W 18,700 ($16.25). American pays $90 3rd Poom: Korean pays W 22,600 ($19.64). American pays $120 1st Dan: Korean pays W 18,700 ($16.25). American pays $70 2nd Dan: Korean pays W 22,600 ($19.64). American pays $90 3rd Dan: Korean pays W 28,799 ($24.95). American pays $120 4th Dan: Korean pays W 33,800 ($29.39). American pays $150 5th Dan: Korean pays W 41,100 ($35.73). American pays $300 6th Dan: Korean pays W 46,300 ($40.25). American pays $350 7th Dan: Korean pays W 52,200 (45.38). American pays $450 8th Dan: Korean pays W 57,200 (49.73). American pays $550 9th Dan: Korean pays W 65,600 (56.71). American pays $700 ------------------------------ From: Erik Kluzek Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:54:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: the_dojang: Definition of the term kwan On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Brian Emery wrote: > I am looking for the definition for the term kwan. please help me, you can > send it off list if you would like. thanks. > It just means "gym" (sometimes also translated as house or school). Chung Do Kwan = Blue Wave (or way) Gym. Sang Do Kwan = Pine Way School O Do Kwan = Gym of My way It's similar to "ryu" or "kan" in Japanese. For example, the translation of Shotokan (which is ussually translated as meaning "house of Shoto") is Sang Do Kwan. The Sang Do Kwan and Chung Do Kwan both have a lineage which goes to Gichen Funakoshi the founder of Japanese Shotokan. Erik Kluzek, (CGD at NCAR) National Center for Atmospheric Research Boulder CO, (off) (303)497-1326 (fax) (303)497-1324 - --------- Home page and public PGP key--------------- http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/~erik !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: "john sodihlhxh" Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:34:34 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: death penalty but then I say why is there a waiting >line for death row? I would have the scum pronounced guilty taken out >behind the courthouse and shot, wait twenty minutes (to be sure)then >give the body to the family, but thats me.(no kidding) > >Bernard > wow! i think in the last few years with more use of dna testing they have found out in a number of cases that they had the wrong person on death row... can you imagine being on death row for something u didnt do? clearly the long wait is to make ABSOLUTELY SURE they have the right person. Its not the kind of thing you would want to make a mistake with. If you were on the jury or the judge .. and found out later you made a mistake. .. Im not suggesting that the 15 year wait is acceptable.. but you have to error on the side of waiting. Bill _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Dave Weller Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:35:15 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #204 Mister Richards asked: >From: Charles Richards >Subject: the_dojang: 5 Year Olds > >Dear All, > >I have moved my dojang from my humble garage to a full >sized gymnasium in a day care. This includes >expanding my student base from age 8 and up to age 5 >and up. Although I have taught "Little Dragons" >before I thought surely there are others on this list >that have experiences and or a resource (book, video, >etc.)about, class ideas, and suggestions they would >like to share on or off list. > >And give me strength to avoid 2.5 through 4 year olds >. My wife tells me I'm getting some gray in my >beard. > First of all, congratulations on your move! I wish you much success and joy. My instructor has taught many "little dragons".. One technique he uses that gives them great enjoyment (and some basic skills as well) was Balloon Kicking. Inflate some balloons (no helium, inless you have a REAL low ceiling) and let the kids try to keep the ballons in the air with certain kicks. Good for focus, good for entertaining the little devils as well..... He is also quite fond of "frog hopping" (squat, grab your ears and hop down the floor) and "apple picking" (squat and jump as high as possible and grab at imaginary apples WAY up in the tree) .. really these are good for big kids too! Strong legs make strong kicks! Good luck !! dave weller student wtf tkd "Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself." Myamoto Musashi ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:00:40 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #205 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.