From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #208 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 1 April 2001 Vol 08 : Num 208 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Dishonest Instructors the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #207 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #207 the_dojang: Re: Weights and flexibility the_dojang: Re:report of Bill Wallace semminar, celebrity watch the_dojang: Re: $25 in Korea Re: the_dojang: Re: Dishonest Instructors the_dojang: frills the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #204 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #205 [none] the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. 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There are always two rates for everything.. a whole sale and a retail. Students... clients if you will, do not need to know what the wholesale value of anything is... otherwise, just what do they need a school for? They can learn via video, apply with some of the more unscrupulous organizations, get their black belts... and voila. I think I prefer my way. However, I also strongly dislike dishonest instructors... such as one we have here who claims to have won a "king of the world" tournament... and sports a belt bigger than the WWF world championship belt. So I do see a need... some of these instructors go so far as to have you fill out a KKW application... do you get KKW? Nope. I know how it feels, I WAS one of those defrauded till the KMAIA got my credentials straightened out. Just my two cents Frank Welcome to visit Shaolin Disciple's Site at http://shaolintemple.yeah.net ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 09:19:20 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #207 This is very easy to do. Contact the national governing body of the ITF in your country. You can find the contacts at www.itf-taekwondo.com or www.itf-generalchoi.com. In the US, contact USTF or KATU headquaters and they can tell you pretty fast. However, sometimes an instructor will join the ITF after having received Dan reanking. They may not have an ITF certificate but headquarters will still know if they are a legit ITF school. Regards, Robert Martin 4th Dan ITF/USTF > > From: "Gecko K. Martial Arts" > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:23:35 > Subject: the_dojang: credentials check > > I have always wondered if there was a way to check an instructors ITF > credential (for example to confirm > that they actually are a 5th Dan in ITF when they claim to be) such as > checking up on credentials during a job interview ect... Any way to go > about this? > > Thanks for your help, > > Sandy > ------------------------------ From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:09:19 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #207 Ray wrote: << Instructors should charge what they want, and can get, for their hard work. But I can't see any reason to not be truthful with a student. Would you want a student that wasn't truthful with you? IMHO we just don't need dishonest people in the martial arts that continue to make claims like 'the Kukkiwon will charge me $500 for your TKD 1st Dan diploma'. >> Disclaimer: Comments regarding my own experiences and opinions follow. I'm making no value judgments on individuals, and don't wish to offend anyone by using the "mine's better than your's" argument. Obviously, I haven't been around the country to see all the possible methods of testing and promoting; so cannot speak for every situation. My son's 1st BB Test (Shotokan, 1st Dan) cost $200. For that amount, he got a certificate that looked great, signed by his instructor and his instructor's instructor, a new karate uniform, a hakama, a nice katana, a copy of Funikoshi's book (the "bible" of Shotokan), and THE most impressive ceremony I've seen in 12 years of martial arts. The sensei probably spent a little over half for the material items, and I never heard anyone begrudge the cost of that ceremony. Since moving into TKD, we've paid more and my son got to test then have a black belt placed around his waist. He also got a certificate that allows him entry into the international competitive world if he so desires. Karate schools usually have an impressive ceremony to go with an impressive test, but TKD schools (the ones I've seen) seem to require very little in the way of testing and have no ceremony at all except for handing the belt to a candidate. Can anyone explain why TKD is so "no frills?" Sally SallyBaughn@aol.com ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:22:51 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Weights and flexibility << Mr. Burrese's next sentence began w/"NO!", so I will assume that he believes weight training does not decrease flexibility. A good example of this would be the body builder Flex Wheeler: he can do full leg splits! >> Correct, that's what I believe. They can go hand in hand, and should for a complete program. Flex is a great example. Saw him at the Arnold Classic in Columbus one year, pretty impressive. Alain ------------------------------ From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:30:42 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re:report of Bill Wallace semminar, celebrity watch So, I had a nice afternoon yesterday at the Bill Wallace seminar. I don't have much substantial to report. He was a very nice man, an articulate speaker, and a good sense of humor -- he had people laughing a lot throughout. Prior reports of his seminar on theses lists have described his inappropriate behavior with women, which may certainly have been true but I did not see any of this at this seminar. He was polite, friendly and respectful to every one and was deferential to the Korean Grand Master there. Since the participants were predominantly WTF Taekwondo, he adapted what he had to teach to WTF sparring, he knew a lot about WTF sparring strategy, he used a lot of Korean terminology. This is probably the sign of a good seminar leader, to be able to take what he or she has to teach and adapt it to the style of the participants. True, his sparing strategies are based on lead leg attacks which WTF Taekwondo people are less likely to do. I have a renewed respect for using the lead leg in attacks and combos. Still, with kicking combos, you would put your foot down between kicks, at most doing two kicks with your leg up before putting it down. So he did not have us do that silly thing you see at so many point tournaments where people stick their foot up and try and chase the opponent with multiple round kicks with the lead leg without putting the foot down. God I hate that, its so stupid. One of the WTF tournament fighters asked, "Why dont you do any rear leg kicks," and he yelled back, "Cause I don't have a rear leg! Thats why they call me Superfoot and not Superfeet!" He also some good practical strategies re stretching. He knew the names of all of the leg muscles and tendons, much more than I've remembered from medical school. I think he is in his early sixties and he is in great shape, can still do full splits, and can still do multiple, fast kicking combos to the head. His main shtick seems to be to set up a rhythm or pattern of repeated attacks that get your opponent to reflexively to expect something, then switch and surprise him. He is a good fighting strategist and he points out how often people fight without strategy, engaging in a simple, "throw it and hope" strategy. He also points out how often we telegraph our intended attack, and something about our psychology leads us to believe that our opponent doesn't see what we are doing. Nothing earth shattering here. He also likes multiple fast attacks rather than big powerful ones, he prefers speed over power. Interestingly, this is Master Kwon's philosophy, who co-led the seminar, with respect to hand techniques. I had a nice conversation with Mr. Wallace who is very easy to talk with. He lives in Florida and travels the world teaching. He has a Master's degree in kinisiology and exercise physiology and I was impressed that he seemed very articulate and intelligent. Also, like me, he has never been in a street fight in his entire life, never. He said he has no idea how he would do in a street fight, he would be disoriented with no referee there as he has never fought without a ref present. I suspect there was some false modesty here but he makes no apologies about having done this for the sport. As fast as he is kicking to the head and as much a "head hunter" he was in competition, he said that even he would never, even when he was young and competing have kicked for the head in a street fight. Finally, he told me that the huge majority of his knock outs were not from head kicks, but were from side kicks to the body. He said some things about well known film stars who look so fast because they speed up the camera but who are not as fast or that good in real life. I had the chance to join he and Master Kwon and others at a Korean restaurant after, but I had to pass as I had far exceeded the weekly time allowance my wife gives me for martial arts. It was hard to let that opportunity pass though. Jose' ------------------------------ From: Cookson Family Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:10:18 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: $25 in Korea Sure Terry...should have included this with my post: http://www.homefair.com/calc/intsalcalc.html Hope it's useful! Bob East Coast TKD ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 10:48:13 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Dishonest Instructors > non of their business. By the same token... why > not just publish your wholesale catalog rates? > Kinda ludicrous yes? Ludicrous? Nope, not at all... Markup rates and wholesale prices are commonly shared and/or easily found. That is just one blessing/curse of the Internet age and a free society. The information is out there and easily found, whether we think that is a good idea or not. May as well accept that fact and act accordingly, IMHO. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:02:16 PDT Subject: the_dojang: frills > him entry into the international competitive world if he so desires. Karate > schools usually have an impressive ceremony to go with an impressive test, > but TKD schools (the ones I've seen) seem to require very little in the way > of testing and have no ceremony at all except for handing the belt to a > candidate. Can anyone explain why TKD is so "no frills?" FWIW, my experiences have been just the opposite. Just as one example, one good friend got his 1st Dan in Shotokan. It took him 2 years after passing his final test to receive his diploma, and then it came through the mail... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Neal Konecky Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #204 Master Terry, Just 2 thoughts. 1. Did the study indicate any change in injury incidence with the same shoes for runeers. 2. Are these shoes being marketed as being specifically for basketball or are they a case of a product being used for a purpose other than the one for which they were intended? Neal Konecky BMJ) - Basketball players wearing trainers with air cells in the heels are over four times more vulnerable to ankle injury, finds a study in the British Journal of Sports Medicine. A courtside study of over 10,000 mostly recreational players in Australia revealed an injury rate of 3.85 per 1000, with 37 players sustaining an ankle injury. Almost half of the injuries occurred during landing, with half of these attributable to landing on another player's foot. Sharp twisting and turning, an integral part of basketball technique, accounted for almost a third of all ankle injuries. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ From: Neal Konecky Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #205 It is always fun to watch the look on people's faces when I tell them that being a BB, I still know nothing. They typically think that being a BB makes someone an "expert". Neal Konecky <<<<<<< Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] Thought that this might be of interest. http://ryanshroyer.tripod.com/ Neal Konecky __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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