From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #209 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 2 April 2001 Vol 08 : Num 209 In this issue: the_dojang: (no subject) the_dojang: Re: Sang Moo Kwan the_dojang: Re: Dan Fees the_dojang: Re: Black Belt Ceremonies the_dojang: Re: Dan Certificates the_dojang: strength/flexibility the_dojang: Superfoot Seminar the_dojang: switch from palgwe to taegeuk the_dojang: ChungTongKwan Yudo Website Re: the_dojang: switch from palgwe to taegeuk the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 18:21:17 EDT Subject: the_dojang: (no subject) was an instructor at BUD/S when Peterson was granted a contract to develop a curriculum for them. He did, but before they instituted it, Peterson went commercial with his claims of being the official trainer for the SEALS. Well, needless to say, they dropped him like a hot rock. If anybody has any questions regarding what he developed for the SEALS, that they dropped, you should probably ask a SEAL or former SEAL. I'm sure we are bound to have at least one on the list. Id love to hear of this program and any info on him. JAck ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:16:24 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sang Moo Kwan In a message dated 4/1/2001 7:59:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << www.songmookwan.com >> Chris, Went to that site but can't read anything on it due to error in scripts that keeps popping up ... grrrrrrrrrrr ! Dang Aol ! But thanks anyways ... I was interested in finding out how a Korean Art came from Shotokan ... which is what he said ... it had it's lineage from there. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:19:46 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Dan Fees In a message dated 4/1/2001 7:59:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << ITF dan fees are well defined. KKW dan fees are well defined. Same for Sin Moo Hapkido, Doce Pares Eskrima, etc. I believe that all arts should do likewise. What is there to hide? >> We only charge $100 per Dan grading ... no matter what Dan grade they are going for. $30 of it goes to the Federation for the certificate. When that rises ... the test fee will rise. The rest of the money goes for lunch after the test ... and a tanto knife or sword given to the student when they receive their certificate. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:45:33 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Black Belt Ceremonies In a message dated 4/1/2001 3:17:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << My son's 1st BB Test (Shotokan, 1st Dan) cost $200. For that amount, he got a certificate that looked great, signed by his instructor and his instructor's instructor, a new karate uniform, a hakama, a nice katana, a copy of Funikoshi's book (the "bible" of Shotokan), and THE most impressive ceremony I've seen in 12 years of martial arts. The sensei probably spent a little over half for the material items, and I never heard anyone begrudge the cost of that ceremony. >> Yes, I have heard that Japanese tests are cheaper than Korean ones ... interesting. What was the ceremony like ? Could you elaborate on that? I have heard that some have theirs at night with candles lit and music playing in the background ... Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:52:01 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Dan Certificates In a message dated 4/1/2001 3:17:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Just as one example, one good friend got his 1st Dan in Shotokan. It took him 2 years after passing his final test to receive his diploma, and then it came through the mail... >> That's how long it took me to get my 1st Dan in TKD ... and I got my 2nd Dan in the mail one week after I got my 1st Dan one. I was ticked because of the dates on them ... the first one should have been back dated to reflect that I had taken the test over 2 years ago ... but no, my instructor wouldn't do it for me (he wouldn't call his instructor to ask to do it). He did it for one of the other students ... but he was a guy ... so I should not complain. Hmphf ! We all have good and bad experiences in different things ... I am not going to dwell on it ... but suffice it to say that I left that school and sought another. Illona ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 23:30:32 EDT Subject: the_dojang: strength/flexibility Mr. Burrese's next sentence began w/"NO!", so I will assume that he believes weight training does not decrease flexibility. A good example of this would be the body builder Flex Wheeler: he can do full leg splits! >> Correct, that's what I believe. They can go hand in hand, and should for a complete program. Flex is a great example. Saw him at the Arnold Classic in Columbus one year, pretty impressive.>>> Ive always believed strength is a bicomponent to flexibility. I think you must strengthen the muscle along with stretching it to increase flexibility. If you stretch afterward It will not limit you. JAck ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 23:36:13 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Superfoot Seminar <<<,Since the participants were predominantly WTF Taekwondo, he adapted what he had to teach to WTF sparring, he knew a lot about WTF sparring strategy, he used a lot of Korean terminology. This is probably the sign of a good seminar leader, to be able to take what he or she has to teach and adapt it to the style of the participants. True, his sparing strategies are based on lead leg attacks which WTF Taekwondo people are less likely to do.>>>> Can anyone explain the WTF fighting Strategies and compare them to ITF stradagies? Also the ATA? JAck ------------------------------ From: "Emil J. Fisk" Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:25:27 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: switch from palgwe to taegeuk Hi, I keep on reading accounts on taekwondo history, but still have one personal question that remains unanswered. When was the official change from the palgwe poomse to the tageuk poomse effective, and why was this change implemented? Thank you. Sincerely, Emil Fisk fiskej@pd.jaring.my ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 8:24:42 PDT Subject: the_dojang: ChungTongKwan Yudo Website Forwarded message: Ray --------------------------------------------------------------------- Although still under construction, the website for Chung Tong Yudo is now on the internet. It is at: . The website for the International Yudo Federation will become active sometime this month. The website for Chung Tong Yudo is for information only. The federation website will be the administrative and support website. The United States Yudo Association website will be redecorated, after the international federation website is complete, and will undoubtedly be the model for the websites of other national Yudo associations, as we begin that effort later this year. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 8:46:10 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: switch from palgwe to taegeuk > I keep on reading accounts on taekwondo history, but still have one > personal question that remains unanswered. > > When was the official change from the palgwe poomse to the tageuk poomse > effective, and why was this change implemented? The Palgue forms (and the Kukkiwon Dan forms) were created in ~1968 by a committee formed by the KTA. In 1972 the Palgue forms were replaced by the Taegeuk forms. The Taegeuks were also created by a committee formed by the KTA. Why the change? Not sure, but I believe the Palgue's were viewed as too similar to the prior set of TKD/TSD forms, the Pyongahn forms. ??? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 8:46:45 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #209 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.