From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #210 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 2 April 2001 Vol 08 : Num 210 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: wtf/kkw fees the_dojang: RE: Testing Fees the_dojang: AAU Taekwondo Newsletter April 2001 the_dojang: SCARS article the_dojang: Fees the_dojang: date change, licensing seminar the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #209 the_dojang: SuperFoot Seminar and Sparring Styles the_dojang: forms the_dojang: Korean Shotokan Re: the_dojang: Korean Shotokan the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Sweat & tears" That's how I feel about it, I think it's a lot of money but I have worked hard to earn it and I am worth it. ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:03:18 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Testing Fees Master Clay asked: <<<>>>>>>>>>> First, I am not WTF, but my association has a rank certification fee for gup and dan ranks. (My association because I am a part of it, not because I run it.) I give my students a set testing fee for a given rank. I also tell them that part of this fee is for their association certification. I think anyone who is no open with their students just aren't being honest. And I don't care how much someone else charges, more or less, or if my students find out the difference. I encourage my students to participate in anything to increase their knowledge. It is the people who are less than honest with their students who have to worry. Danny Dunn ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 9:56:06 PDT Subject: the_dojang: AAU Taekwondo Newsletter April 2001 Forwarded message: AAU Taekwondo Newsletter - http://www.aautaekwondo.org - --------------------------- ListBot Sponsor -------------------------- Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/links/joinlb - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Greetings! Here is your AAU Taekwondo Newsletter for April 2001. AAU Taekwondo competitions feature both Olympic and Point sparring, and traditional Taekwondo forms including: WTF, ITF, and TSD/MDK forms may be performed. For more information visit http://www.aautaekwondo.org Send comments or questions to: DMazor@mediaone.net In This Issue: *AAU Team Medals at Las Vegas Open *Work out Components for Greater Athletic Performance *Official’s Corner: Where’s the Civility? *AAU Team Medals at Las Vegas Open The AAU Taekwondo Team made its debut at last month’s Las Vegas Open and brought back the following medals: Silver Medal Randall Thompson Jr. Male Heavy Weight Bronze Medal Mary Ann Thomas Jr. Female Light Weight Bronze Medal Katherine L. Taylor Female Middle Weight Bronze Medal David S. Dewitt Male Heavy Weight Congratulations! You all did great! The AAU Taekwondo Team is sponsored by the AAU Taekwondo Program and competes at both national and international events. Also, congratulations to all the other fine AAU athletes that won medals at the tournament! *Workout Components for Greater Athletic Performance By David Mazor Massachusetts State Director for AAU Taekwondo Building a workout routine, whether in class or on your own always brings up questions about what type of work an athlete should do to improve their performance. Let’s look first at the physical workout. There are three components to strength and speed training that work hand in hand. Weight training, Light resistance training, including Plyometric training, and Flexibility training. All three of these types of training help the body build the explosive quickness that we use in Taekwondo sparring. For weight training, it not necessary to pursue maximum bulk, but rather to build the muscles for the purpose of explosive kicking and punching. The advantage to using weights is that they allow you to target and work specific muscles both in groups and individually. Light resistance training, such as plyometrics, uses the body’s own weight--amplified by the act of jumping, leaping, bounding and hopping--to add not only build muscle strength, but to combine it with coordinated motion, thus building better balance and coordination along with power. Flexibility training uses stretching and kicking routines to build range of motion and accurate placement of techniques. Combined, these three types of training give you a balanced physical training foundation. What’s missing? The mental workout. Add in positive visualization training and motivational training, and you have the tools you need to compete at your top level. So, the next time you’re reviewing your workout routine, make sure all these types of training are included and you’ll reach your maximum potential. For more training tips visit: http://www.aautaekwondo.org *Official’s Corner: Where’s the Civility? Recently, there was an international taekwondo competition held, where 4000+ athletes were in attendance. I wasn’t there, but I heard they ran 7 rings for this event! At another tournament where I WAS in attendance (and personally officiating) we started competition at 9 am and ‘worked’ until 9:30 PM, and most of the rings were understaffed, i.e. with only 3 officials as opposed to 5 that we normally use in AAU Taekwondo competition. (By the way: neither of these WERE AAU Taekwondo-run tournaments.) This past Saturday, I was at a soccer game, and BOTH coaches were complaining about the referee. It seems the coaches didn’t think he was calling “a tight enough game.” Never mind that the referee was giving up his Saturday afternoon to officiate a soccer game free-of-charge, or that he was all of 15 years of age. Or that the “combatants” were 6-7 year olds! What’s going on? No, REALLY! WHAT’S GOING ON? Why are so many people jumping officials at all levels of sporting events? Is this a new phenomenon? Or are we just more aware of it? Below is an article I wrote in June ’99, and it’s just as relevant today as ever. As a competitor I ALWAYS was appreciative of the work the officials did in working my competition. Of course, in MY opinion, they missed a few calls. If I were a betting man, and I am!, I would bet you the other athlete thought the same thing: “the ref sure missed that one.” But WHY would an official blatantly work to favor one athlete over another. I know that politics play a role. At AAU Taekwondo competitions I work to ensure this doesn’t happen. I think we succeed a LOT more than we lose. Women and men work hard to get themselves properly trained to officiate sporting competitions: taekwondo and other sports. And then to be subjected to ridicule and just plain, downright vulgar actions from athletes, coaches, parents and spectators is beyond me. If you’re in this group, then you don’t have to wonder why some competitions for divisions START at 9 PM and last until 3am the next morning, as they did in the first tournament noted above. Obviously, they couldn’t find enough officials! Not only are you bald, but you’re going blind! (June ’99) I won’t say when or where, but a spectator, smiling all the time, called me over to the stands where he was respectfully sitting (in between matches, I might add) and spoke those infamous words: “Not only are you bald, but you’re going blind!” And that really hurt because my vision’s 20/20! I was the center referee at an AAU Taekwondo National Tournament, it was day 3, it was hotter than *!@# in the gym, and I was tired. But I was doing what ALL officials in the AAU Taekwondo program do all the time: they implement the rules. PERIOD. The real problem that this individual had, other than being unfamiliar with the rules, was that he thought the referees and corners were supposed to interpret the competition the way that HE was. I think his problem centered on one of two things: voluntarily going out of the ring, or excessive contact in point sparring. Going out of the ring is really not subjective, according to our rules. The ring dimensions, at Nationals and JOs, are 24’ X 24’, with a 2’ warning track. If you go out of bounds, and it’s NOT the result of competition, it’s a penalty. No interpretation required. Excessive contact is a little more complicated. Of course, that’s why our best officials are in the center as referees: because they CAN apply the rules more objectively. Simply drawing blood does NOT necessarily mean there was excessive contact. Now, that’s a lot of responsibility to rest with one person, that’s why the referee and judges, with confirmation by the head of court, must have consensus that malicious and/or excessive contact occurred. This by no means is an attempt to minimize that which our officials do. They have to make snap decisions, and literally hundreds of them, in a matter of microseconds. And what a wonderful job they do. They MUST be extremely well versed in the rules. The training they undertake on a yearly basis is what makes me proudest. But the attempt with AAU Taekwondo competition has always been to minimize any inference of bias by the officials, so we’ve developed a team-effort concept among the referee, head of court and the corner judges. On a recent edition of abc’s 20/20, there was a story about violence in sports today. AMATEUR SPORTS! AT THE LOCAL LEVEL!! DIRECTED AT THE REFEREES AND OFFICIALS!!! BY THE ATHLETES AND COACHES AND PARENTS!!!! In fact, 13 states have passed legislation regarding violence directed at officials. This, to me, is unbelievable. I’m not naďve enough to think that anyone is beyond being the victim of violence in today’s society. And that’s sad. But for men and women, who volunteer themselves so that athletes can enjoy safe, fair competition, and are then subjected to insults, or even worse, the threat of violence, is almost too much - especially at the amateur level. Thankfully, AAU Taekwondo has not seen this kind of behavior (my previous “conversation” that I mentioned notwithstanding). In one of my earlier articles, I spoke of the level of cooperation between the coaches and officials. That cooperation has certainly done a lot to eliminate the acrimony that seems to exist in other sports and their competitions. But also there’s the level of experience that exists on our competition floor. Yes, our best officials, regardless of rank, are the corners and center referees, but where possible, they’re also higher-ranking black belts. Often I place a third-, fourth-, fifth-dan black belt, or even higher, in rings where the most challenging divisions are run. Our officials exude this self-confidence, coupled with the teamwork among the officials in a given ring, during competition. And I firmly believe it is this which controls our competitions and makes AAU TAEKWONDO attractive to ALL interested parties. And should someone “mention” my exposed pate – GOOD! The Lord made a few perfect heads: the rest he covered with hair! Rick Blair serves as the National Chief Referee and a member of the AAU Taekwondo Executive Committee. A sixth-degree black belt, he is also the Central Association Chairman, currently residing in Chicago, IL. He can be reached at Rick_Blair@B-F.COM ************************************************************** *Special Introductory Offer Exclusively for AAU Members from Summit Flexible Products. Buy 50 or more CardioFlex™ or CardioFlex Twin martial art mats and get tapered safety edge strips FREE. Call 888-FOR-MATS or e-mail: summitinfo@aol.com ************************************************************** ______________________________________________________________ The AAU Taekwondo Newsletter is brought to you by the AAU Taekwondo Program at http://www.aautaekwondo.org edited by David Mazor: DMazor@mediaone.net ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:34:03 EDT Subject: the_dojang: SCARS article In a message dated 4/2/01 10:26:30 AM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Id love to hear of this program and any info on him. JAck >> You can read an article in Men's Health magazine on SCARS at: http://www.scars.com/article2.html ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:46:14 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Fees Illona writes: > Yes, I have heard that Japanese tests are cheaper than Korean ones ... > interesting. Hi Illona. While my fifth Dahn test in Nihon Jiu Jistu (issued by Kokusai Budoin's late president Shinsaku Hogen - Hanshi) was somewhat cheaper, it was in no way reflective of the deal our Shotokan friend received. Not ALL Japanese orgs are as generous as the Shotokan school mentioned. Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:36:23 PDT Subject: the_dojang: date change, licensing seminar Attention USTU Club Owners Date Change Announcement The 6th-7th Dan Instructors Licensing Seminar Has Been Rescheduled. The seminar originally scheduled for March 28-April 1 has been postponed to July 25-29, 2001. 6th-7th Dans Wednesday, July 25 - Sunday, July 29 Radisson Arlington Heights. 75 West Algonquin Rd. Arlington Heights, IL 847-364-7600 Nearest airport: Chicago O'Hare Program room rate: $99 Hotel and seminar registration deadline: July 4, 2001 4th-5th Dans -- Seminar Tentatively planned for August 22-26. Call 719-578-4632 for details. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Richard Zaruba Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:14:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #209 > The Palgue forms (and the Kukkiwon Dan forms) were created in ~1968 by a > committee formed by the KTA. In 1972 the Palgue forms were replaced by > the Taegeuk forms. The Taegeuks were also created by a committee formed by > the KTA. Why the change? Not sure, but I believe the Palgue's were viewed > as too similar to the prior set of TKD/TSD forms, the Pyongahn forms. ??? > > Ray Terry > raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com When were the taeguek forms actually disseminated to the practitioners in general? I studied tkd from 77 to 85 and was only exposed to the Kicho, palgue and chong hon forms as well as the bb level forms from the chong hon and the KTA, until 1984 when a book was published by Ohara about them. All three of the previously mentioned groups of forms were required at the dojang at which I studied. We used Grandmaster Chun's text and General Choi's text as our main guides. The group of schools that I used to study tkd at refused to get involved in the politics because the head master had split loyalties between the KTA and Gen. Choi, so we did a lot of hyung. Respectfully, Richard Zaruba ------------------------------ From: drewg.gassiot@att.net Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:19:41 +0000 Subject: the_dojang: SuperFoot Seminar and Sparring Styles JAck, Talk about opening up a can of worms... I'm in the ATA and have been to WTF schools, don't know about ITF. ATA varies a great deal depending on the school you go to. My School teaches using lead foot as a distraction, and a defense. The rear leg is for more power. The WTF school folks tended to open up a lot with rear leg and reversed for power. My .02, DREW "Actually it's a buck and a quarter quarter staff" ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:15:01 PDT Subject: the_dojang: forms > When were the taeguek forms actually disseminated to the practitioners in > general? As you no doubt know, some schools have never changed to the new forms. But I recall having to forget the Palgue and learn the Taeguek about 1977 (78?) at our dojang in central Illinois. I suspect that given the Palgue forms only existed about 4 or 5 years before the 'new' forms were created, some instructors may have thought it best to see if yet newer forms were soon to come. Of course they never did... BTW, I just received two videos from Master Joe Dupaquier, Jr. that cover the original TKD forms; Pyong-ahn 1->5, Chulgi I, Palsek, Yunbe, Jion, Chulgi II, and Ship su. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Korean Shotokan But thanks anyways ... I was interested in finding out how a Korean Art came from Shotokan ... which is what he said ... it had it's lineage from there. Illona, what follows is from the web-site... Byung Jick Ro was born July 3, 1919 in Kaesung City, Korea. Frail health forced him to enter school a year later than the other children. At the age of twelve, his strong interest in the ancient martial arts was intensified as he witnessed the techniques practiced in the local temples. His youthful spirit drove him to train with intense dedication subsequently strengthening and improving his health. In 1936, Supreme Grand Master Ro traveled to Japan to attend college and in May of that year he began training under Gichin Funakoshi, subsequently earning his black belt in Shotokan. During college vacations he returned home and taught friends and neighbors the techniques he had learned while away. In February of 1944 he returned to Korea where he continued to create additional hand and foot techniques which led to the style of Song Moo Kwan ("every youthful house of martial arts training"). Honoring numerous training requests, he opened the Kaesung dojang, the first of the "original founding kwans," on March 11, 1944. My comments: Since Korea was under Japanese occupation in 1936 it is not odd that SGM Ro attended university in Japan or that he like GM Lee, Won K. (CDKTDK) obtained a dan grade fron Funakoshi Sensei. What is interesting is that both claim to be the first kwan, and the 1944 era. Can any of the CDK players on the list confirm a date in 1944 for the founding of Chung Do Kwan? Also interesting, as a second student of Funakoshi Sensei, this would be another Kwan that practiced the "MDK" Pyung Ahn and Chulgi (Naihanji) hyungs prior to the unification of 1962. So my little informal scorecard has Chung Do Kwan, Song Moo Kwan and Moo Duk Kwan practicing the Pyung Ahn and Chulgi sets from 1944/45 through 1961. It doesn't seem unlikely that when asked to create a new set of hyungs that many of the moves are similar. In my brief experience with AAU competition, as I watch the TKD players do their hyungs I (as a TSD player) get the feeling we're doing the same martial arts, but their forms seem to have more kicks and more dynamic kicks inserted in the forms. I have observed both art forms include an excellent array of Korean kicking techniques. So you like dynamic kicking and sport base sparring TKD might be for you, dynamic kicking and traditional Shotokan patterns and philosophy then TSD might be for you, and if you're as crazy as I am and actually let people lock your joints AND introduce you to the mat, plus like dynamic kicking then HKD might be for you. Personally I love it all, but teach TSD and enjoy my training in HKD. Train with Jung Do in your heart The rest is commentary, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD Sa Bom Hapkido SMK Jae Ja __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:13:18 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Korean Shotokan > But thanks anyways ... I was interested in > finding out how a Korean Art came from Shotokan ... > which is what he said ... it had it's lineage from there. Several of them do. The CDK's founder came up under Shotokan. The ODK and ITF founder came up under Shotokan. etc. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:20:42 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #210 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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