From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #232 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 10 April 2001 Vol 08 : Num 232 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #226 the_dojang: RE: Oh-oh, now you got me thinking.... the_dojang: Hapkido Roundtable the_dojang: Re: learning korean Re: the_dojang: RE: Oh-oh, now you got me thinking.... the_dojang: Re: True history the_dojang: Passing Re: the_dojang: Re: True history the_dojang: Re: Knives the_dojang: Re: pay for another person to test their students Re: the_dojang: Re: Knives the_dojang: Hapkido Harmony the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:09:05 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #226 Student's, give your instructors some credit! This is a very biased observation, but my full-time MA instructor (/fiance) works his knuckles to the bone, often literally. He is an extremely ambitious and intelligent young man who actually chose to teach Tang Soo Do over practicing law. The average person could not deal with his grueling schedule, myself including. He is in the Dojang 66 hours per week. When he is ill, he is teaching. When his buddies are golfing, he is teaching. He more than deserves what money he does make. He is in the business of changing and improving lives, not just "teaching karate." If good MA schools didn't charge students and bind them to a contract, chances are: A.) Many students would quit, but the looming financial obligation 'binds' them. B.) Cheree would be serving dog food for dinner. How on earth do students think the rent, light, gas, water, general maintenance, training supplies, the 3,000 Band-Aids per week, etc., get paid for? Sorry, I am in love with him today. Yesterday, when I was angry with him I probably would not have been so supportive :>) Tang Soo to those that live this life. Sometimes it can truly be mentally and physically taxing. (The pipes above the Dojang burst this afternoon...what a joy.) - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:41:25 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Oh-oh, now you got me thinking.... Dear Chris: "....In all seriousness you should consider contacting a few MA magazines ("Taekwon-Do Times", JAMA, etc.) and see if they would be interested in something like this. You might even want to float the idea of being the interviewer yourself, Bruce...." Don't tease me, Chris. You know what my hobbies are. :-) On the other hand I am just about nutty enough to try to pull such a thing off. In order to approach BLACK BELT, TKD TIMES or JAMA though I would reference the DD and our discussions here. I suspect the only thing I would need would be the OK from Ray against the possiblity that these publications would need to verify that I wasn't just some nutcase come to punish them for past Karma. Whatcha think, Ray? Any chance in Hell...? Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "hackworth" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:43:33 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Roundtable The Hapkido GrandMasters Roundtable sounds like a great idea. Maybe some of the GM's on DD could be the roundtable participants. Could Bruce post the top ten questions he would ask and let DD members reply? Just a thought. Richard Hackworth www.americandragon.org ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:58:56 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: learning korean In a message dated 4/10/2001 8:06:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: c <24wide@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:46:29 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: question I am a proud student of Kuk Sool Won. I would like to know how to speak the Names, Titles Body parts etc. in the Korean language. Do you know of any information that will help me in finding a source of maybe audio tapes that would help me. thanks Dahn Boh wilson >> there's a book out there on korean for martial artists. i would suggest checking into that. it's $22 on amazon. barnes and noble didnt have it in stock when i just searched for it there. the book is titled _a martial artists guide to korean terms, translation and hangul_. it's by richard l. mitchell, et al. if you want audio tapes on korean, i suggest going to your public library for them. its free :). however, they wont have a martial arts focus. there are also numerous sites on the web for learning korean and hangul. we've got a couple on the computer here that we downloaded off the net. just do a search for learning korean. we sell a program, and so do a lot of other companies, about learning korean on cd-rom. good luck! melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:30:26 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: RE: Oh-oh, now you got me thinking.... > need would be the OK from Ray against the possiblity that these publications > would need to verify that I wasn't just some nutcase come to punish them for > past Karma. > > Whatcha think, Ray? Any chance in Hell...? What, that you're a nutcase? Well.?.?. :) Go for it. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Carsten Jorgensen Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: True history > More history: > http://www.hwarangdo.com/Magazines/60s.html > > Plus the bottom link at http://www.hwarangdo.com (Korean Martial Arts' Lineage) - more info than you think. It all makes sense when you have the full picture. > > And no, I didn't write any of it :-) Ray: >> True history? Or just more history? << Well, I guess you didn’t look at the links. >> As I see it, the problem with determining the 'true' history of this or most anything is wading through the various versions of 'true' history to determine what combination of the variations is the most likely, defensible, plausible, etc. IMHO, all too often something gets published and then is referred to over and over again because it can be added to a bibliography. << Well, I guess you didn’t look at the links. >> Carsten will make this claim of Duggan's writings, and perhaps he is correct. But I will comment on Carsten's question of 'what does Duggan know about the history of HRD? (in the US)'. Well, for one, he was there. Perhaps he has an agenda, but it seems that given that he was present at the beginning (in the US) his account must be at least considered. << Sure, he can talk about how the training was like in America 25 years ago when he was still active in Hwarang Do – but he cannot talk about what Hwarang Do is today. Why? Because it’s 25 years since he trained Hwarang Do. He can talk about what happened in America when he was active, but he cannot talk about what Hwarang Do was like in Korea. Why? Because he wasn’t there and never bothered to ask questions and never tried to find out about the history. BS like “it was called Fa Rang Do in Korea” is just stupid and easy to prove wrong (for instance by looking at the 1972 link I posted). What part of Dakin’s text does Dug’s background qualify him as an authority to be quoted? Are the first people who trained Taekwondo in America the most trustworthy experts on Taekwondo history? Oh BTW, why can I talk about Hwarang Do? Living two years in Korea, 1 ½ years of which were in Hwarang Dojangs, talking again and again with Hwarang Do masters, Hapkido masters, Kuksool Won masters etc. From reading old Korean Hwarang Do articles, books, watching 8mm films and constantly asking GM Joo Bang Lee questions. I can see why that is less credible than if I had trained on and off to 2nd dan 25 tears ago. Sorry, but this is just pi*** me off. Carsten Jorgensen hwarangdo@email.com - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:22:30 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Passing Dear DD folks: It saddens me to report that Master Instructor Jim Nichols, my long time friend and student, succumbed to cancer earlier today. Master Nichols was the head instructor of "Adirondack HapKiDo" of Lake George, NY, and is survived by his wife Susan and son Ian. Arrangements are incomplete as of yet, but anyone wanting further information may contact me directly. Mr. Nichols met death with grace and dignity with his family beside him. Jim was a good man, and I will miss him... J. R. West www.hapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:04:03 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: True history > >> True history? Or just more history? << > > Well, I guess you didn’t look at the links. Sure I did. And several times previous to this. "More" history... We realize that Duggan 'gets your goat' and probably Dr. Lee's, too, that is clear. And to my knowledge (please correct me if I am incorrect), I have never claimed that he is right and you are wrong. But my comments wrt him are still, imho, valid. I really do appreciate that you are there, watching and commenting. Otherwise many would only hear/read one side of one portion of HRD's history. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:36:10 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Knives In a message dated 4/10/2001 1:26:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I'm using the deep pocket carry with the clip on the outside of my pants pocket, even dress pants at work. Very inconspicuous. Overall a very nice daily carry. Got Knife? >> One of my students gave me a knife a few months ago that has a clip on the outside of it and the only thing on it that tells what it is is : "clipit endura" Is this a good knife to carry ? I have it on all the time and it is very sharp as I have cut myself with it a couple of times too. But I don't know anything about knifes ... Thanks ! Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:40:37 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: pay for another person to test their students In a message dated 4/10/2001 1:26:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << > Why would anyone pay for another person to test their students? Doesn't make sense. >> Sorry ... but when I came up in TKD ... many, many years ago ... this was the way it was done. Whether it is done now, I don't know. I invite black belt friends who have their own school to sometimes come and help me at testings (only one or two per testing) ... and I treat them to a dinner at the Korean BBQ here in town afterwards and will come to their testings, if asked. The students love meeting other black belts from other areas and the girls and the women here love meeting other black belt women with their own school. Illona ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:45:18 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Knives > outside of it and the only thing on it that tells what it is is : "clipit > endura" Sounds like the Spyderco Endura. A very fine and reasonably priced carry knife. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Patrick L" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:25:04 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Harmony IMHO it is not in the exact application of technique that Hapkido needs to "get along". Whether you step right, left, or no step, does not make THE difference in Hapkido. As I see it, the real problem is two-fold; One - young BBs thinking that because Hapkido is eclectic - that they can be, and that their version is the "right" version. Two - Young BBs forgetting that their "History" is our Masters "Life experience", a lot of it still bruised and tender. Getting in The Way, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:11:17 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #232 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.