From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #235 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 12 April 2001 Vol 08 : Num 235 In this issue: the_dojang: TM the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #234 the_dojang: Promotional question [none] the_dojang: Re: "bul-go-gi" the_dojang: Fw: Alliance Drug Free Open Martial Arts Tournament - May 5, 2001 the_dojang: Re: Stugotz Karate the_dojang: Traditional Training Events Calendar the_dojang: My apologies: A guide for Midwesterners and Other Madigans the_dojang: Re: Promotional Strategy the_dojang: Hapkido history the_dojang: (No Subject) the_dojang: RE:Getting Down To Facts the_dojang: Scientific Coaching the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:46:55 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: TM Michael Choi writes: > Two, hapkido is used by Taekwondo people as a generic term for self-defense > techniques that incorporates joint-locks. The word lends itself to such > usage, but it's wrong. Hapkido is its own art --with its own philosophy, > strategy, techniques. The way a hapkido master fights is VERY DIFFERENT > than the way a taekwondo master fights. Maybe someone should consider > trademarking the name like Hwa Rang Do (TM)? At this point in time, it would be impossible to trademark the name Hap Ki Do. As you pointed out in your post, it is by now a "generic" name. Over the years, people have formed their own opinion on what constitutes Hap Ki Do; therefore, I believe the best we can hope for is the kind of brotherhood and respect we experience at workshops like Master West's. There are enough respected Masters that attend these functions (and more are on the way) that, sooner than later, the impact of them will reverberate throughout the Korean arts community. IMHO, more of these sort of "gatherings" (in locations that are accessible to all) will bring about better results than all the complaining in this list will ever accomplish. Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:44:13 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #234 Dear Jack: "...What kind of Dogs? German Shepards, Bulldogs, Jack Russell terriors? ..." I like Chihuahua, but then I have always had a thing Mexican food. Damn. There goes the phone again. Bruce ------------------------------ From: Dave Weller Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:18:36 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Promotional question Cplr50@aol.com Posted the following query: Hey folks, just a thought, What do you all do to promote yourselves (your dojang) within your community to foster that feel good feeling of being a community friendly bus.. Please don't confuse this with direct advertising, but rather, the methods you use to get your name out there without really expecting anything in return. ie. a local bar sponsoring the little league.... I'm doing a paper for school on Promotional strategy and I need a few ideas to get running.. Thanks Stone >unsnip< We do an annual demonstration at our little town's Multi cultural Festival. The demo is generally one of the best attended events. Done more as a community service than as advertising, although some new students have come due to seeing the demo. Breaking is the "crowd pleaser", but we always make them suffer through Poomse, self defense and kicking demo's first. And we never fail to mention that TaeKwonDo is a 2,000 year old indigenous Korean Martial Art. We have also Demo'd at a Cub Scout blue and gold banquet, a local facility for the disabled (the most heartwarming of them all), and wherever and whenever anyone will have us. Getting a bar to sponsor us sounds like a great idea, I'm ALWAYS thirsty after those demonstrations! Best Regards, dave weller student wtf tkd "Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself." Myamoto Musashi ------------------------------ From: "Patrick L" Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:37:39 -0700 Subject: [none] Dear Mr. Jorgensen, >BS like “it was called Fa Rang Do in Korea” is just stupid and easy to >prove wrong (for instance by looking at the 1972 link I posted).< IMHO statements like the above are a little harsh since American ears often hear (and IMHO koreans often say) "F" for the "wh" or "Hw" sound. BTW 1972 wasn't that just after the name change from - Fa ... er Wha ... er . . . Hwa Rang Hap Ki Do? :) Getting in the Way, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:31:11 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: "bul-go-gi" In a message dated 4/11/2001 11:09:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Korea word for Dog is "Gae". Korea word for Ribs as in Spare Ribs is "Go-Gi". Korea word for Dog meat is "Gae-Go-Gi". >> May I ask what "bul-go-gi" is then ? It is in the Korean BBQ out here and it looks like strips of beef marinated in sauce that don't know. Illona ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:55:34 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Fw: Alliance Drug Free Open Martial Arts Tournament - May 5, 2001 Forwarding... Ray - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Alliance Ohio Drug Free Open Martial Arts Tournament - May 5, 2001 On May 5, 2001 the Alliance Ohio Police Department and Alliance City Schools will sponsor the Alliance Drug Free Open Martial Arts Tournament. All the proceeds from the tournament will support area drug education programs such as: Kick Drugs Out of Alliance (KDOA) and Students Against Destructive Decisions (SADD). I could really use your help in encouraging people to attend. Would you please send out Email to the PMAA membership asking competitors, judges, and spectators to consider attending our tournament. Right now our pre-registrations are lagging and these are very worthwhile programs which need the financial aid we hope this tournament will provide. For more information about the tournament follow the link below: http://hometown.aol.com/kdoa2/tournament1.html Thanks for your consideration. Respectfully, Jeff Helaney ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Stugotz Karate A rather hip digest reader, noting the nuances of my subtle writing stated this: > Hey, that wouldn't be a reference to lame Italians, standing on a street corner, trying to perform techniques they learned while watching Kung Fu Theater, would it? - - -Cheree CHARMELLO (note the nice, heritage defining O on the end of my name) Just in Fun :o)> Response: Good to see that there are some people out there who pick up the subtle nuances of things "cultural". Your correct. To take it one step further. In the HBO series, Tony Soprano has a big boat named "Stugotz." Moreover, was it not the song by soul brother number one, James Brown, re: The Big Payback, wherein he states, "I don't know Karate, but I know Crazy." Point: not all formal training necessarily extrapolates to success in certain situations. The streets giveth and the streets taketh away ! "Ah, this thing of ours !" McD... P.S. From a positive point of view, those same Italians used to sing on my street corner refining Acappela singing, i.e., Do Wop. Precedent to rock and roll. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Hottstuff5344105@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:42:12 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Traditional Training Events Calendar KOREAN MARTIAL ARTS INSTRUCTORS ASSOCIATION 2001 UPCOMING EVENTS SCHEDULE May 5 TaeGukKwan: Korean Tai-Chi Instructor Course Orlando, FL May 12 ChiPangKi: Art of Korean Cane Seminar Savannah, GA May 19 Coaches Certification Seminar Deer Park, TX Jun 1 Kumdo Certification Seminar Orlando, FL Jun 8 Power Breathing / Ki-Kong Certification Ocala, FL Jun 11-16 Black Belt / Instructors Summer Camp Ocoee, FL Jun 23 Referee / Sports Safety Certification Course Staten Island, NY Jul 7,8 Korean Language & Culture Course Ocoee, FL Jul 13 Ki Power Development Course Orlando, FL Jul 14 TangSooDo Forms Seminar Boynton Bch, FL Jul 21, 22 Instructors Leadership Course Richmond, VA Jul 28 Pressure Point Identification Seminar Murfreesboro, TN Aug 3 Gold Medal Sparring Seminar Orlando, FL Aug 4 Referee / Sports Safety Seminar Savannah, GA Aug 11 Chamseon Meditation Certification Course Ocoee, FL Aug 17 Rape Awareness & Personal Safety Course Ocoee, FL Sep 1, 2 SooRim Buddhist Martial Arts Weekend Orlando, FL Sep 7 Full Splits Total Body Flexibility Seminar Ocoee, FL Sep 29 Taegukkwan Certification Seminar Richmond, VA Oct 6 Dynamic Breaking Seminar Kali, Columbia Oct 15-22 Korea Tour 2001 Seoul, Korea Oct 27 ChiMuKwan Certification Course Seoul, Korea Nov 2 HKD Advanced Tumbling & Specialty Kicks Seminar Orlando, FL Nov 10-11 Healing Arts Camp with GM Seok Kyu Lee Ocoee, FL Dec 1 Sports Safety Certification Course Staten Island, NY Dec 8 Korean Language & Culture Course Ocala, FL For more info keep reading Dojang Digest for updates. Richard Hackworth www.kmaia.qpg.com ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: My apologies: A guide for Midwesterners and Other Madigans My apologies to Korean martial arts purists who are principally asking for dictionaries and courses on how to speak Korean. I realize that this is primarily Korean or martial arts related. However, to understand additional cultural languages which may weave into martial arts studies, e.g., the use of stiletto knives, and stomping in the correct places on the body, I thought this may help some of you. It is a Guide for those who want to understand other important languages, in this case Italian, i.e., choice Italian for the street: "A Viewer's Glossary for Italian, Southern Italian, and Sicilian Dialect. Phrases and Naughty Words." Go to: http://members.aol.com/ggjaguar/glossary.pdf/ Note: It takes a moment or two to download from the site. Then have a nice pepper and egg sandwich. Ciao ! McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Cplr50@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:12:09 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Promotional Strategy Folks, I just want to thank all you whom have passed along information, links, thoughts and most importantly, relating your personal experiences to me. I'm on the ground and running now. Again I thank you Stone ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Pratt" Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:18:06 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido history Dear Dakin, Thank you for the interesting article. I have a couple of comments. 1. I don't know where Moji is but it would seem quite a feat for eight year old who doesn't speak the local language and has no money to get from Moji to Osaka. 2. I checked with John Steven's brief biography of Ueshiba in 'Aikido: The way of Harmony' to see how he found Daito-ryu. Stevens wasn't clear but said that at that time Takeda had no fixed dojo but travelled around challenging people and attracting students through demonstrations. Stevens says that Ueshiba was introduced to Takeda at an inn in Engaru, Hokkaido in 1915. Stevens hints that Takeda invited Ueshiba to attack him and Ueshiba was presumably unsuccessful. Ueshiba built a dojo for Takeda in Hokkaido for Takeda. This would also seem to contradict Choi's claim that Takeda did not like Ueshiba. 3. The supposed relationship between Choi and Ueshiba really bugs me. I have no idea why anyone pursues this idea. Please, just look at the dates, they don't match. Ueshiba was born in 1883, Choi in 1904. That is, in 1915 when they possibly first met, Choi was 10 and Ueshiba was 23. Ueshiba had already studied (and mastered?) jujutsu, the Shinkage-ryu sword art, and Yagyu-ryu(??). He had served his country in the Russo-Japanese war and was noted for his bayonet skills. Given that Ueshiba was a skilled martial artist and Choi just a boy it seems EXTREMELY unlikely, if not impossible, for Ueshiba to be junior to Choi. Note too that Takeda's home at that time would appear to be Hokkaido not Osaka. 4. It sounds awfully convenient that everyone who knew that Choi studied Daito-ryu was drafted and killed. 5. It is perhaps curious that Choi would move from Ch'ungch'ong-do (incidentally you confuse your romanisation) to Taegu (Kyongsang-do). Why Taegu as opposed to Seoul? To conclude, Choi and Ueshiba were not contemporaries, there was a generation difference between them. Ueshiba was already learning Daito-ryu when Choi is supposed to have turned up. The age difference means that it is highly unlikely that Choi was considered senior to Ueshiba. The harakiri story sounds hardly worth the (electronic) paper it is written on. Regards, Andrew ------------------------------ From: "Michael Choi" Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:46:32 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: (No Subject) First of all, my condolences with regards to Master Jim Nichol's passing. I unfortunately missed my chance to participate in his seminar when he was at Master JR West's February 2000 US Kor Martial Arts Fed Seminar. He is a friend of Masters JR West and Harold Whalen. He will be sorely missed. Second, yes, Dog Meat in Korean would be gae gogi [sic]. No, most restaurants here in Korea do not have it as many Koreans have lost interest in the dish. Although you can order it broiled at some places usually it is served as BO-SHIM-TANG which means dog soup (it's a Sino-Korean work or hanmoon, meaning that each syllable originates from T'ang Dynasty Chinese which Koreans incorporated). I said that Dr. Kimm could pull of a symposium because he seems to be good friends with Grandmasters Han-Jae Ji, In-Hyuk Suh, Joo Bang Lee, et al. and he seems to be more honest about discussing the history of martial arts. Personally, I do not think it's a good idea for the American masters to speak for their teachers. The idea could backfire as the Korean masters could just claim that they never said "so and so." We'd just have another political mess on our hands. I wish their could more consensus and more reform, but it seems like for hapkido, we'll have to "let bygones be bygones." Michael CHOI Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:02:38 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE:Getting Down To Facts Dear Carsten: I was thinking sometime back that the Korean Information people had a lot of gall critcizing US corporations for inaccuracies regarding Korean culture having expereinced what I have in the Korean MA regarding the somewhat elastic nature of anecdotal material. Here in the States we usually address this condition by citing resources and corroborating evidence. That said, it would be of some help to me to have the HwaRangDo community in general, or GM Lee specifically identify the 58 personalities in the UM-Yang lineage which he invokes in his BLACK BELT MAGAZINE interview and cite documentation attesting to their prowess in MA. In the Buddhist tradition we daily chant the 87 personalities of the Buddhist lineage back past Shakyamuni Buddha. In the Catholic Church they document the popes back to St Peter. I don't think this would be too much to ask. In the same vein, perhaps the Hwa Rang Do folks, or GM Lee specifically could catalog the "4000 techniques" he learned beginning at age 4 and "mastered" (sic) by age 11. In my books, I have catalogued perhaps 300 techniques by 1st BB and this is after 15 years of study and without coming even close to what I would consider "mastery". Dr. Kimm, He-Young in his rather exhaustive books HAPKIDO and HAPKIDO II catalogues less than 2000. GM Myung across an entire series of manuals catelogues less that 2500 unique techniques including weapons. The entire corpus of the Daito-ryu is less than 2000 unique techniques. Reviewing the 3 books published by GM Lee I have been able to identify less than 1000 unique techniques. I think it would be of some help if this corpus of material so often invoked could be identified and catelogued so that the MA community can draw some intelligent conclusions. I have read the material on the Hwa Rang Do website and unfortunately it is of little help in this matter. Your assistance would be appreciated. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "Emil J. Fisk" Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:35:56 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: Scientific Coaching Hi, Has anybody read Willy Pieter's "Scientific Coaching For Olympic Taekwondo"? I've got a few questions I'd like to ask regarding the book, especially regarding the topics of periodization and training effect. Anybody knowledgeable in these areas? Sincerely, Emil Fisk fiskej@pd.jaring.my ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 7:02:23 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #235 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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