From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #259 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 26 April 2001 Vol 08 : Num 259 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #257 the_dojang: Re: Students Teaching the_dojang: re: Kicking Forms the_dojang: Poomse Keumgang and video tapes Re: the_dojang: Poomse Keumgang and video tapes the_dojang: RE: Bruce said... the_dojang: Teaching teachers the_dojang: RE: Taking things in hand Re: the_dojang: RE: Taking things in hand the_dojang: New on the Digest the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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It is, in fact, ignorance which allows people in a position of power to allow servicemen given into their charge to conduct themselves in a fashion that produces children denied decent shelter, food, medical attention, parenting and nurturance. It is most certainly ignorance that allows a Thai parent to sell their child into urban prostitution for the equivalent of $1000US which is promptly spent on their opium habit. I t is undoubted ignorance that guarantees that the sex providers throughout the Third World will contract an STD, sepsis or contagion within the first year of plying their trade with little or no hope of having medical attention...< Sorry Bruce, I have to disagree with you on this. It isn't ignorance that is responsible for these things. It is EVIL that is responsible. Man is a moral agent and can choose to do good or evil. Ignorance is simply being uninformed about something but it goes beyond the limits of belief to apply that term to what you've just described. (Ooh, I can hear the rumblings of disapproval now! Don't worry, I've come to this conclusion after having been a counselor for about 4 years and having a degree in Psychology.) Taekwon, Chris PS How's the Hapkido round-table project coming? "Every Experience of Beauty Points to Infinity" Hans Urs von Balthasar _______________________________________________________________ Get your Private, Anti-Spam, Free Email at http://e3mil.com Your Internet Home for Your Faith, Your Life, and Your World! ------------------------------ From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:46:11 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Students Teaching Rudy Timmerman wrote: << The students who I put through this program stack up agains any Black Belt I have seen. On the other hand, my students who, for some reason or other, were unable to work through this program, did not turn out the same. Ofcourse, I also spent the better part of two years to design a comprehensive "Instructor" program that actually "teaches" these students valuable material, something not found in many other schools >> Sounds as if your program is much like my son's first instructor's. It made a huge difference in his ability to deal with people, as well as his ability to impart his knowledge readily. I guess my point (not made very well) was that if the student has gained the self-confidence he should have gained from a program, he/she should be able to discuss some form of compensation (monetary or otherwise) with his/her master. Another point that I find bothersome is that a student at black belt level would be uncomfortable about or afraid to discuss something with the school owner/master. What's wrong with this picture? Sally ------------------------------ From: nick.mckenna@rs-components.com Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:57:50 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: re: Kicking Forms Dear All I am a Cho Dan Bo (1st dan in just over three weeks - yikes!) studying Tang Soo Do under Master Tony Johnson in the UK (Leamington Spa). Master Johnson put together some kick forms based on Basic Form 1 (the classic I shape). Kick form 1 contains inside-to-outside kicks, front kicks and jump front kicks. So, replace low blocks with inside-to-outside, punch with front kick and the three punches with front kick - jump front kick. Form 2 contains inside-to-outside, outside-to-inside and windmill kicks. Etc etc The forms provide guidance for students who aren't sure what kicks to practice (and hence practice none). They are used primarily in class as endurance training. We sometimes do kick forms several times without stopping, and I can tell you it hurts!!! So whilst these forms don't have the variety of classical forms, they are great fun, good practice and fantastic exercise! Tang Soo! - ----------------------------- Nick McKenna Software Engineer *************************************************************** The contents of this Email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The views stated herein do not necessarily represent the view of the company. If you are not the intended recipient of this Email you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this mail in error please Email the sender. *************************************************************** RS Components Ltd. ------------------------------ From: "T. Kennelly" Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:23:54 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Poomse Keumgang and video tapes > > > My Kukkiwon text does not show the chamber position therefore I cannot get an official view of the chamber position from it. Does anyone have an authoritative source (i.e., Kukkiwon source) that shows the chamber position? > > Just checking... Which Kukkiwon text are you using? The 'Kuk-ki Taekwondo > Text Book'? Sounds like it. Yes, that is the book I was referring to > > > The chamber is more with the waist & shoulders than the arms. In #11 the > left arm is a bit in front of the face as your waist & shoulders snap the > arms into the block. In #14 the right arm is more in front of the face. > There is a twist snapping action to the forearms/wrists as you execute > the block. > > There are video tapes that go with the Kuk-ki Taekwondo Text Book. They > help a lot. > I did not get tapes with my Kukkiwon Taekwondo Text Book. I bought it two years ago and now do not remember who I purchased it from. Does anyone have the associated video tapes that they would be will to sell? ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 8:41:39 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Poomse Keumgang and video tapes > > There are video tapes that go with the Kuk-ki Taekwondo Text Book. They > > help a lot. > > I did not get tapes with my Kukkiwon Taekwondo Text Book. I bought it two > years ago and now do not remember who I purchased it from. > > Does anyone have the associated video tapes that they would be will to sell? Sorry, I wasn't clear. The tapes are available to complement the book, they are not part of the purchase price of the book. You can probably? get them from the same place you bought the book or from Sang Moo Sa (aka Best Martial Arts, on Bellflower Ave in Bellflower, California). As I recall, it is a set of 3 tapes. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "ISA CONSULTATION GROUP" Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:37:01 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Bruce said... I totally agree with what Mr. Sims has just said. george http://taekwondo.4dw.com http://hapkido.4dw.com http://gpetrott.webjump.com ISA CONSULTATION GROUP includes ISA Martial Arts, ISA Web Design and ISA Consulting Services! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:49:31 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Teaching teachers I'm afraid that my comments were a bit misunderstood. My problem is with certain instructors that, once they have a good black belt student, will disappear from the school, leaving a student in charge of all manner of instruction, with no support. It takes 9 years for one of my students to progress from 1st dan to 4th dan, and during that time, MUCH training goes on in order to ensure that this person will be capable of teaching a class in the manner in which he was taught, and to continue a certain "mentality" when dealing with lower rank students, as well as with equals. Unfortunately the trend has always been to "use" students to do the job of the instructor while the instructor only shows up for tests, demonstrations and any other time where there is an exchange of money. This is evidenced by the number of instructors now under me that have all had this same experience. Either they were left to teach at the main school, or as 1st degrees they were told to open another school (at their expense), and forward all test fees, a percentage of the tuition and equipment sales while being forced to buy uniforms and belts from their "master". This is abuse, not training....J. R. West ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:43:19 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Taking things in hand Dear Marco: "...But hey, I'd rather be ignorant than be a dishonest race-baiter." The quality of your writing as well as the organization of your argument could suggest that you are easily both. Your position, and welcome to it. Unfortunately, as a reasonable adult I am not required to interact with either category if I choose not to, and I elect not to. You however may continue by yourself. Try not to go blind or grow hair on your palms. I promise not to tell your parents. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:14:05 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: RE: Taking things in hand > The quality of your writing as well as the organization of your argument > could suggest that you are easily both. Now kids... If you can't play nice then perhaps you shouldn't play together at all. Remember that we're all brothers & sisters in, umm, well, something or other we're all brothers & sisters in. So be nice to each other, ok? Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Kevin Janisse Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: New on the Digest Hello fellow Martial Artists, I have just joined the Digest and have been reviewing some of the past topics....interesting I must say. Just a note, I am a student of Master Rudy Timmerman's, I say that with pride and hold the upmost respect for the man. I have spent 18 years in the Arts and 17 of them under him. (17 more years and I might start to give him a challenge on tapping into his knowlege of Korean Martial Arts.) The latest seminar I attended was: Master J.R. West's HapKiDo seminar and It was great! I highly reccommend his seminars and getting a chance to talk to the man. I am in Rockford, Illinois and always intersted in meeting up with area Martial Artists to train, share, or talk. Regards, Kevin M. Janisse _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:06:31 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #259 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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