From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #260 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 27 April 2001 Vol 08 : Num 260 In this issue: the_dojang: Kicking forms the_dojang: RE: Assn for the Recognition of Don Quioxte the_dojang: Kids Hapkido the_dojang: RE: Networking for a better training experience the_dojang: Welcome Mr. Janisse the_dojang: Re: Fees= Show me the Money ? the_dojang: Choosing An Instructor the_dojang: Abusing position the_dojang: Re: Kicking Form the_dojang: More on Teaching Teachers the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:18:20 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Kicking forms Nick: <> I've met Master Johnson before at the '97 International TSD Tournament in Tampa Florida, US. He gave me several copies of a MA magazine where he was featured on the cover and had a big article about him. Very nice guy. <> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that tip. Mac TangSoo! ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:41:28 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Assn for the Recognition of Don Quioxte Dear Chris: "...Don't worry, I've come to this conclusion after having been a counselor for about 4 years and having a degree in Psychology...." OK, but I agree with you only because we psychologists have to stick together. The scientist in me says that I cannot allow for supernatural agents and my only other cognitive option was "stupidity" (perhaps a viable option). While my personal belief system allows for the personification of evil ("lucifer", "the devil", "evil spirits") and the Buddhist in me acknowledges that all action imparts Karma, the psychologist yearns for a world where if people just had one more piece of information they would naturally do the right thing. "... to dream the impossible dream.. (sing along with me, Rudy)..." :-) Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "Ron Bain" Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:42:08 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Kids Hapkido Hi everyone, I have a question more for the HKD instructors. I know this may have been covered once before, but with the influx of new members, it doesn't hurt to go over it again. How do you differentiate between teaching adults and children? Do you teach the same curriculum for both? Are there techniques you will not teach a child. If so, "specifically" which ones will you not teach? Thanks, Ron "still smarting over losing to a heavy bag" Bain <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Korean Hoshinsul On-Line: http://hoshinsulonline.tripod.ca Sr. Computer Tech. - Cambrian College: http://www.cambrianc.on.ca <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:58:38 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Networking for a better training experience Dear Kevin: "...I am in Rockford, Illinois and always interested in meeting up with area Martial Artists to train, share, or talk...." I gonna bet that you are the individual a little bird suggested that I contact. Well, actually it was a bigger bird than that........if fact it was this really big, fat, old bird from down in Miss. :-). I imagine that Master West thought that the two of us could get together and help each other out. I have been struggling around for people close to Chicago with whom I can train in preparation for a promotion test a couple years down the road. Dakin has chipped in down in Bloomington, Ind, and I hope to tie into M. Hilliard as soon his dust settles. It would be great to organize a kind of rotation around the Midwest. There is a Hapkido class not far from me in Crystal Lake, Ill that might also be interested, I'll bet. M Pryga is a bit farther up Wisconsin state and I understand there are also a few smaller schools in Wisconsin though closer to the Illinois border. (If anyone is lurking who knows or participates in these latter schools it would be great if your would make contact either through the DD or maybe off-line.) The idea here is not to start some new entity or evangelize a particular approach. My thought on this is that a lot of us upper-ranking belts need more time with individuals of our own level if we are ever to take Hapkido beyond where it is now, yes? Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:14:18 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Welcome Mr. Janisse I'd like to welcome Mr. Kevin Janisse to the DD. After working and talking with him last weekend, I think he will be a great addition to the group. J. R. West www.hapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Fees= Show me the Money ? The great Master West stated, in part: Response: Sounds awfully similarly to the World Kuk Sool Won business methods and practices. Or so I have been told. Note: I do not want to start any Flame Wars with Kuk Sool Won afficionados. Just sharing comments that were personally told to me by a former instructor out in California. Moreover, uncertain if this is accurate. How do you say this in Korean "____, please no checks only cash." You just fill in the blank depending on what Kuk Sool Won instructor is being talked to by the Master. Does anyone know of or heard of Master Wickham, Frederick, MD. He used to be the East Coast Tang Soo Do Representative (uncertain of what Tang Soo Do Association). He once told me that he formed his own school when the fees got out of hand. He grew tired of the Korean Master fee gouging. So there appears to be a common thread here. McD... P.S. For you real music trivia freaks, who did the song entitled, "Where's the Money". Hint: Mid or early 1970's. Hint 2: Matches with "Hot Licks". __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "hackworth" Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:24:29 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Choosing An Instructor Dear Martial Arts Students: The Martial Arts Training Field is unregulated. While the General Public has learned to seek out a "Certified" Teacher, I've personally located over 800 certification agencies, some good, some not so good, and some bordering on criminal in their business practices. The fact is, with laws as they stand today, there isn't any required licensure in the martial arts industry in America. The top instructors are self-regulated. They strive to maintain a standard of excellence. They are committed to bringing about results in their clients. While the certifications are not nationally recognized, there are some that hold more water than others. In my opinion, elite teachers will hold a Instructors Training Certification or License through the Korean Martial Arts Instructors Association and/or one of the twenty-one member organizations. Or some of the National and International organizations that have clear cut training and testing requirements. Check the links at www.martialartsresource.com Certification is only one qualifying factor. If you are considering retaining an instructor or joining a school, you should make sure that instructor has worked with other people like you and has delivered the results that you seek. It's also important to find a teacher who commits not only to taking you through workouts, but to educating you. As you've found if you've read through the various martial arts magazines, people are failing to get results because they're misled. A Professional Martial Arts Teacher must take some responsibility for battling misinformation and empowering his or her clients with education. I conduct extensive work with teachers and write regularly for the Traditional Martial Arts Journal. I also speak at the National Conventions urging teachers to maintain a standard of excellence in an industry where that standard is so desperately needed. One of the best ways to make sure you are finding the instructor that is right for you is to be honest about what type of training you want, what your goals are in the martial arts and what role you see yourself filling in the school. If you are not sure what you want it is impossible for any instructor to give it to you. So clearly explain your goals, and your expectations to the instructor and hopefully they will help you reach those goals. Sincerely, Richard Hackworth http://khfhapkido.tripod.com ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 05:00:29 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Abusing position JR writes: > It takes 9 years for one of my students to > progress from 1st dan to 4th dan, and during that time, MUCH training goes > on in order to ensure that this person will be capable of teaching a class > in the manner in which he was taught, and to continue a certain "mentality" > when dealing with lower rank students, as well as with equals. Hello JR: I am probably the one who missed your point, sorry. BTW, your time schedule for promotion is identical to mine, and the extra teaching that goes on in your school does not go unnoticed when one observes your students. > Unfortunately the trend has always been to "use" students to do the job of > the instructor while the instructor only shows up for tests, demonstrations > and any other time where there is an exchange of money. I agree with you completely, and I encounter that same scenario with many Instructors whom I have come to know over the past few decades. These are students of the same "Masters" whom you seldom (if ever) see on the mat. Fortunately, there are now some good options for such abused students to train with reputable Masters who are not afraid to give them the lessons they deserve, a luxury some of us did not have way back when. Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:47:29 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kicking Form > I've heard from several different sources that there is a form that > consists of all kicks. I was wondering if there is anybody out there who > has information about this form. The one I know is called Kyorugi Taeguk. A friend of me from Germany, who also was (or still is?) on DD, sent me a videotape and it was pretty interesting. Funny thing is that we had contacts with the same GM in Germany but I never spoke to him about this form. His name is Pyo Rak Sun, he`s a 7th Dan and is from Chang Moo Kwan lineage, but I am not sure if it was a Kwan only form or whatever. Besides, GM Pyo is not really into the whole Kwan issue, he just promotes Taekwondo. Kyorugi Taeguk is mostly kicks, there are only four hand techniques. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:48:58 Subject: the_dojang: More on Teaching Teachers I agree with JR that black belt students are often left to their own devices in some Dojangs to teach in the absence of the head instructor. A few programs do have actual instructor programs that teach black belts how to be instructors and touch upon actual pedagogy. But in many cases, with an analogy to sparring skills, it is typically a trial and error process. While there is no substitute for actual teaching experience, it is a head instructor's obligation to teach all black belts some teaching skills and an overview of the big picture. There is more to being a black belt instructor than just technique. Some blackbelts rise to the occasion wanting to continue to learn and take on more responsibility regarding teaching while others prefer the comfort of no real responsibility. Teaching people to teach (instructor program not dependent upon reaching a particular rank only) requires a curriculum, observation, and feedback. You can't do that if you are not there. In my opinion, an instructor in training is being trained and does not require fiscal compensation because the head instructor is there in observation/feedback mode. Just having a blackbelt teach for you so you can have the night off or spend your summer away without fiscal compensation does not seem fair. They may be getting teaching experience, but no direction or training. You should be teaching blackbelts to be leaders, not blind followers. I encourage blackbelts to develop individual teaching styles that work for them within a "traditional" format. My teaching "style" beyond technique is based somewhat on my personality and worldview. While most students who stay with you for blackbelt typically share a complementary worldview, they are not the same person and need to let their natural strengths rise to the surface. Head instructors should encourage this. Just another morning muse! Dana _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 7:36:21 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #260 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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