From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #264 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 29 April 2001 Vol 08 : Num 264 In this issue: the_dojang: theology and international affairs the_dojang: Teachers / Timmerman the_dojang: Re:Just can't have too many. the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #261 the_dojang: Is not teaching irresponsible? the_dojang: Re: Teaching Kids [none] the_dojang: Kids in the Dochang the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mac" Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:37:52 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: theology and international affairs <> Personally, I don't think this is the proper forum for that continued discussion. Mac ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:37:54 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Teachers / Timmerman Master Timmerman, you were reading my mind . Thank you. <> ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:31:35 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re:Just can't have too many. Dear Richard: ".... The American Dragon Martial Arts Academies are affiliated with the National Hapkido Association and the Korea Hapkido Federation. Visit our website at www.americandragon.org..." Thanks for the invite but please tell me that there is not yet again one more (two more) organizations for the management of Hapkido. I take it that the National Hapkido Assn is different from the Korea Hapkido Federation which is different from the Korean MA Instructors Assn, yes? And I will go out on a limb and assume that you, Richard, are the manager for these organizations here in the US? Isn't three organizations by the same guy for the same art a little over-kill? Color me "a bit boggled in Illinois", Bruce ------------------------------ From: FGS & KVF Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:21:36 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #261 Speaking of BBs and teaching, my instructor will start students at red belt assistant teaching and then at brown belt they are allowed to teach kid's classes without supervision by a BB. Red belt wearers are required to have 100 hours at least before promoting to brown belt and being able to teach unsupervised for kid's classes. This is not done often, but to test the wearer's ability to improvise and schedule class structure. The brown belt then is able to test for brown/black when he/she has 200 or more hours of teaching. Most brown belts teach with the BB in the room but not helping unless asked or a problem occurs. At brown/black, the student is allowed to teach adult classes and not just assist. Again the BB is there but only for supervision and will sometimes step out to see how his absence is handled. My instructor will not allow any student to test for BB that can not teach, it is a part of being a BB. Spunky _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:31:56 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Is not teaching irresponsible? > From: "Dana Vaillancourt" > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:48:58 > Subject: the_dojang: More on Teaching Teachers > > Some blackbelts rise to the occasion wanting to > continue to learn and take on more responsibility regarding teaching while > > others prefer the comfort of no real responsibility. Hmmm... surely you don't mean that a BB who does not teach is shirking responsibilty? I take issue with that notion. There is plenty of responsibility involved in being a BB through our daily actions, our participation in such things as demos, fund-raisers and charitable events, and our behavior around junior belts, just to name a very few. Kerry WTF TKD ------------------------------ From: "Ron Bain" Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:48:00 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Teaching Kids Kevin Janisse wrote: > Dear Ron, > > Wow! That is a tough one. > When I am teaching children I always take into consideration the following: > Children have a shorter span of focus, their joints and bones are still > growing, they will not practice (as much as they should) and they want to > reach black belt ASAP. > This is only a general list but it will help me explain: > > The curriculum which is taught should be structured in a proggressive type > of system (learn to crawl before walking). With that in mind the material > for an adult and child could be quite similar with the exception of "TIME". > The average child will not progress at the same rate as an adult, thus you > could teach the same progressive system to an adult (4-5 years to black > belt) as a child (6-7 years to black belt). > > If your technique(s) is structured progressively, the child should be close > to a maturity level in age to reach Black Belt thus an adult Black Belt and > Junior Black belt would have the same material. > > If I were to choose one martial art technique not to teach a child it would > be heavy breaking (too easy to damage soft bones and joints). > > A final note: Everyone is different, know your students, adjust > accordingly. > > Regards, > > Kevin M. Janisse Thanks for your reply Kevin. It is a pleasure to meet you. Came across your name & website through GM Timmermans site. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my questions. Respectfully, Ron <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Ron Bain's Website: http://www.cyberbeach.net/~bainr Korean Hoshinsul On-Line: http://hoshinsulonline.tripod.ca Sr. Computer Tech. - Cambrian College: http://www.cambrianc.on.ca <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Neal Konecky Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] Patrick, I am certain that Kwanjangim believes me to be disloyal. (The fact that he made a point of ignoring me at the wake of the father of one of his Masters was a fairly significant clue) And, quite honestly, from his point of view, there probably is cause. However, it does not change the fact that there were many things that occurred that I felt were inappropriate. One of the most significant is that the quality of training declined. For several years I was a loyal student. I trained hard, assisited in instructing, volunteered for every touranament (with no small personal loss accompanying it). Perhaps I am the exception. Neal Konecky Have you ever noticed that every student that was ever "compelled" to leave an organization or master never views their action as disloyal behavior? ===== "Our government, conceived in freedom and purchased with blood, can be preserved only by constant vigilance" William Jennings Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:12:35 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Kids in the Dochang "How do you differentiate between teaching adults and children? C'mon, Ron, thats' easy. The big ones are the adults and the little ones are the kids!! The big ones kick the little ones Thats why Gawd put ears on the little snots. Gives you something to hold onto while you wail on 'em. Lets get with the program, Sport!! I gotta find a something to do with my tongue other than keep it in my cheek. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 7:02:32 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #264 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.