From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #265 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 29 April 2001 Vol 08 : Num 265 In this issue: the_dojang: Just Not Enough the_dojang: Re: All BB's as Teachers the_dojang: Re: Little Ones the_dojang: advice re husband taking up tkd? the_dojang: Freebies the_dojang: Re: Black belts and teaching the_dojang: Teaching Black Belts the_dojang: Fulbright Forum Friday May 4 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hottstuff5344105@aol.com Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 12:11:16 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Just Not Enough Bruce wrote: "Thanks for the invite but please tell me that there is not yet again one more (two more) organizations for the management of Hapkido. I take it that the National Hapkido Assn is different from the Korea Hapkido Federation which is different from the Korean MA Instructors Assn, yes? And I will go out on a limb and assume that you, Richard, are the manager for these organizations here in the US? Isn't three organizations by the same guy for the same art a little overkill? Color me "a bit boggled in Illinois," Bruce." Dear Bruce: Thanks for the kind words. The National Hapkido Association is the US Branch of the Korea Hapkido Federation. My responsibilities there are not much more than glorified secretary for GM Yong Ki Song. The US Rep. is GM G.N. Lee who can be reached at hapkidomasterle@aol.com. My term as president of the International Chapter of the KMAIA is up in October. The President of the KMAIA in Korea is GM Pan Gon Song who is in the US on a seminar tour at this time. The American Dragon Martial Arts Academies are the schools that are personally owned by me or affiliated with me. However 3 (three) things might be a lot for an American to handle. But Dr. Un Yong Kim seems to do just fine managing six international organization and is in the running to become president of the IOC. There are other Koreans who can manage over 31 different martial arts and we all know that there isn't an American alive who could handle all of that. The American Dragon Martial Arts Academies management system is the American Dragon Success System. The American Dragon Success System is a private membership organization dedicated to the personal and professional success of its members. The American Dragon Success System is a pioneer in the design, development and implementation of high-impact programs, seminars, publications and software that focus on personal and professional success. For more information please visit http://ma_success.tripod.com. Sincerely, Richard Hackworth ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:50:50 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: All BB's as Teachers In a message dated 4/29/2001 6:43:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Speaking of BBs and teaching, my instructor will start students at red belt assistant teaching and then at brown belt they are allowed to teach kid's classes without supervision by a BB. Red belt wearers are required to have 100 hours at least before promoting to brown belt and being able to teach unsupervised for kid's classes. This is not done often, but to test the wearer's ability to improvise and schedule class structure. The brown belt then is able to test for brown/black when he/she has 200 or more hours of teaching. Most brown belts teach with the BB in the room but not helping unless asked or a problem occurs. At brown/black, the student is allowed to teach adult classes and not just assist. Again the BB is there but only for supervision and will sometimes step out to see how his absence is handled. My instructor will not allow any student to test for BB that can not teach, it is a part of being a BB. >> Not here we don't. Not every BB is Martial Arts teacher material ... just like not everyone in the outside world is teacher material nor wants to be one. And I don't understand why anyone would think that a Black Belt "has" to teach to be a Black Belt? But that is just my own confusion so don't let that bother you. I have some high advanced belts that I would never have teach anyone ... they are just simply not teacher material and would turn someone else off to the arts ! Teaching in itself is an art. No .... we have a special program in here for those that "want" to help others by teaching them martial arts. All advanced belts must know their stuff ... and be able to explain it ... but that is 'way different' than teaching it. There are many paths on the martial arts ... and it is the instructor's job to help the student find their path and travel it. Not 'force' them to make a journey that isn't theirs to make just because 'they, the instructor' feel it is the one to make. I know I would have been turned off to it right away if I knew that further on down the line I was going to 'have to' teach. It was never in my early path in life in the arts to do so. Later on in my path it has become so and I love it beyond compare. But not until after 3rd Dan did I really, really get into the love of it, if you know what I mean. Hope I haven't offended anyone ... I just wanted to express how "I felt" on this subject. Thank you. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:53:26 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Little Ones In a message dated 4/29/2001 6:43:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << The big ones are the adults and the little ones are the kids!! The big ones kick the little ones >> I dunno, Bruce ! Some of them 'little ones' can kick booty ! LOL ! I know ... they kick mine all the time ! LOL :::also can put her tongue in her cheek::: Peace, Illona ------------------------------ From: Donnla Nic Gearailt Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:57:30 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: advice re husband taking up tkd? Hi all, once again, I'm looking for advice, but this time it's not for me, but for my husband. He has been taking Jitsu classes for the last three months and recently his sensei advised him to stop doing Jitsu because he felt my husband was too uncoordinated and the high-impact nature of the art would lead to injury (he already broke his collarbone breakfalling some months ago, so he had to take 3 months off after his second session). Although disappointed he has decided to take his (very experienced) sensei's advice and look for an alternative martial art. Now, his sensei suggested something like Shotokan karate, where there is an emphasis on much repetition of techniques, line work etc and not too much falling over. It seems to me that Taekwondo would have similar benefits, with the added advantage that we could train together outside class. My husband is 34, he has been going to the gym for light to moderate cardio twice a week for the last year, before that, he did no sports at all since he was around 18. (He is now doing sports due to my incessant nagging about his health but has gotten really into martial arts since he started Jitsu. I know quite a few non-university schools run classes aimed at the over-30s. What do you guys think? Would tkd be too high-impact? Is shotokan noticeably less so (I don't know much about it)? Note that he's not interested in doing olympic-style full contact sparring, just the more traditional aspects with possibly some light sparring. Donnla. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Donnla Nic Gearailt Computer Laboratory, New Museums Site, Graduate Student Pembroke St., Cambridge CB2 3QG, U.K. tel: +44-1223-334619 http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~dbn20/ "An eyelash! How could you be so careless!" - Jude Law, Gattaca ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:51:32 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Freebies Dear Spunky: ".... My instructor will not allow any student to test for BB that can not teach, it is a part of being a BB. ..." Sorry, Spunky. I know that this bill of goods has been sold to students for decades. The fact is that position is a direct result of the commercial need to develop a cheap labor force of instructors which frees up time for the head man to get a life back after the intense years of organizing a school. Korean arts did not have "Black Belt" for generations, nor did they have a patrilinear order of succession in the arts. All these attributes that keep getting tossed around are a function of organizational artifacts secondary to the introduction of Japanese hierarchical approaches to training. In my classes I train the student to be able to teach but it has nothing to do with managing the classes. I teach every class myself. Rather, the idea of training students as teachers is to fix it so that sooner or later they don't need me anymore and it is THEY who can move on and have a life. If somebody wants to hang around my classes for 15 years because they enjoy my magnetic personality ( :-) ) thats on them. But if some poor devil hangs around for 15 years because he just can't get the hang of things, I have failed. BTW: Tell Mr. Instructor with the BB requirements to pay his "asst Instructors" a viable wage for services rendered and see how fast those BB requirements get revised. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Wmakarate@aol.com Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:17:27 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Black belts and teaching In a message dated 4/29/01 6:43:48 AM, spunkykvf@yahoo.com writes: << My instructor will not allow any student to test for BB that can not teach, it is a part of being a BB. >> Do you really WANT all of your black belts teaching? Personally, I don't want anyone teaching if they don't ENJOY teaching and are not GOOD AT teaching. IMO, nothing will dampen a student's enthusiasm more than being in a class taught by a person that isn't a good teacher. (Haven't we all been there at some time?) Big difference between being a good black belt technician and being a good teacher. Sometimes the skills are parallel and sometimes not. Mike Anderson ------------------------------ From: Bernard Maginnity Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:17:23 +1000 (EET) Subject: the_dojang: Teaching Black Belts When I first started Taekwon-do our Instructor instilled in us the idea that we should teach in order to give back to the Art. When we reached about Brown Belt (if you were one of the lucky ones) we received some training in how to teach and then were given the class we were training at if there were no senior belts, or another class would be established for us to run. The remuneration for this practice was equivalent to a petrol allowance regardless of the class size. Dana suggested that 'no fiscal compensation' should be forthcoming to Instructors in training. I have to disagree. Here in Oz there is legislation in place which protects those in training, making it illegal to train for a position or undergo induction without compensation. While most of you would agree you would not set outto purposefully take advantage of your Instructors in Training, there are those out there who would. These Instructors in training are often mature people who can be blinded by a love of the art, a love which, if channeled correctly, can be harnessed to create a powerfull Allie. If not the whole Art can suffer. The best example I have witnessed recently is one of the local Korean MA schools which has a very strong childrens program. Not only do the Instructors undergo comprehensive training before they are allowed in front of the children, they have to meet a number of supervised, homework and an annual refresher course to maintain their qualifications. Individual teaching styles are allowed for and in fact encouraged in order to better reach the children. The fact that the classes are growing almost weekly is indicative IMHO of good Instructor loyalty and dedication. Just my $2.00 worth Bernard Maginnity ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Fulbright Forum Friday May 4 Forwarding... FULBRIGHT FORUM!! Fulbright in Seoul (the Korean American Educational Commission) is pleased to invite you to attend the Fulbright Forum for May, which will be held on Friday, May 4, 2001, at 6:30 p.m. at the Commission offices in Mapo. In a departure from our usual lecture-style presentations, the Forum presentation this time will feature the performance art of Kate Hers, Korean American conceptual performance artist and Fulbright grantee to Korea. Adopted at the age of 6 months by a white American couple, Kate Hers grew up in Detroit, Michigan. She graduated from the School of the Art Institute of Chicago with a BFA in Time Arts (film, video, performance, sound). Since her return to Korea for the first time in 1997, she has been dedicated to an art-making that attempts to reinvent "Korean-ness," while incorporating the influences of her adoption history, her recent explorations in Korean culture, and her Western upbringing. She hopes to raise a consciousness in the Korean race, American people, and Adoptee community that there is not just one way to be an American, a woman, a Korean, or an Adoptee. Her works are about a process of art-making as well as performing a "finished" gesture in front of an audience and receiving a response. It is not only about expressing an identity as a Korean American, who happens to be adopted and who happens to be a woman, but also discovering the meanings of identities within a precise context. Each action is created specifically for the country in which it is shown, with a deep interest in the culture and race of the viewers. Her most recent projects explore the integration of western performance art techniques with Korean traditions and modern culture, seeking to create a dialogue between the east and the west. We welcome to the Forum all Fulbrighters, senior lecturers and graduate student researchers and ETAs, as well as Board Members, Fulbright alumni, Peace Corps alumni, Korean studies scholars, foreign graduate students, and other friends of Korea and members of the Fulbright family. Kate has asked, as part of the audience's involvement in the spirit of her conceptual performance, if those attending would come in formal attire. This Forum as usual will be followed by a reception. We hope many friends will come to enjoy the lecture, the discussion, and the good food and drink. Place: Fulbright Building 168-15 Yomni-dong, Mapo-gu (see maps on our website: www.fulbright.or.kr) Date: Friday, May 4, 2001 Time: 6:30 p.m. (for RSVP or directions, call Miss Park, 3275-4000) See you on the 4th! Horace H. Underwood Executive Director (Fulbright) Korean-American Educational Commission 168-15 Yomni-dong, Mapo-gu Seoul 121-874, South Korea Ph:+82-2-3275-4000; fax:+82-2-3275-4028 hhu@fulbright.or.kr www.fulbright.or.kr ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:08:32 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #265 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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