From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #270 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 2 May 2001 Vol 08 : Num 270 In this issue: the_dojang: Doce Pares Eskrima & Grandmaster Cacoy Canete the_dojang: Special Seminar by Spanish Coach Fargas at Stanford University, CA the_dojang: tri-state areas in Ohio the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #269 the_dojang: GM Cacoy Canete the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #268 Subject: the_dojang: forms the_dojang: Hyungs Reasons the_dojang: Age and Martial Arts the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul ------------------------------ From: "Vincent Lo" Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:13:29 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Special Seminar by Spanish Coach Fargas at Stanford University, CA > The Stanford University Taekwondo Foundation Presents By Special > Invitation: > > A Special Training Seminar by > > MR. IRENO FARGAS > > HEAD COACH, SPANISH NATIONAL TAEKWONDO TEAM > > Trainer and Coach of the Spanish Olympic Taekwondo Team and Professor > at the High Performance Center in Barcelona, Spain > > This training seminar is designed for all levels of taekwondo student > from the aspiring elite athlete to the recreational practitioner. > Unique and cutting-edge techniques, strategies, and training exercises > employed by the Spanish National Taekwondo Team in sparring will be > presented.The schedule of the twoindependent seminars will be as > follows: > > Saturday May, 5th 10:00am to 1:00pm (all levels, juniors welcome!) > > Sunday May 6th 9:00am to 12:00pm (all levels, juniors welcome!) > > 12:15pm to 1:15pm (special lecture/question and answer session for > instructors/coaches with Coach Fargas) > > Place:Stanford University, Burnham Pavilion – Registration at the door > > Clickable map: http://www.stanford.edu/home/map/stanford_zoom_map.html?328,231 > >Cost:$50.00 Both Days (General Admission) > $35.00 Both Days (College Students with I.D.) > > $30.00 One Day (General Admission) > $20.00 One Day (College Students with I.D.) > > Bring:Taekwondo Uniform, Taekwondo Shoes (recommended), Sparring > Equipment (Chest, Head, Arm, Leg, Cup and Mouth), Water Bottle, > Notebook, and Pen > > For More Information: Call 650-482-9727 or e-mail stanfordtkd@yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:08:59 PDT Subject: the_dojang: tri-state areas in Ohio > "Given the recent mention of the Oh-Ky-In Tri-State area of the midwest..." > > Not even close. Dayton is in central Ohio. Nice try though...:) Sorry, but I grew up in Southern Ohio. Dayton is no more than 50 miles from Cincinnati, yes? That is plenty close enough to that tri-state area for those interested in martial arts. Heck, I even bicycled once from Cincinnati through Dayton to Columbus. But I did take the day to do it. :) Ray (from one of the other three tri-state areas of Ohio) Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Neal Konecky Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 16:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #269 Phil, The expalnation that I come across most is that forms were created by experienced warriors to help train the less experienced. The forms duplicate a movement that had success on the battlefield (i.e., the experienced warrior was around to pass it along). Whether this is true or not, we may never know. However, regardless of where forms started, they have probably evolved into a combination of what you propose. Neal Konecky I have heard and read a variety of explanations as to the origins of the forms and why they created them in the first place. Here are a few that I have come across, any input would be greatly appreciated. 1) defending against multiple attackers. 2) created by the students to help remember individual defense techs. 3) mindless dribble 4) coordination of mind and body phil ===== "Our government, conceived in freedom and purchased with blood, can be preserved only by constant vigilance" William Jennings Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 18:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: GM Cacoy Canete Ray Terry noted: Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:10:47 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Doce Pares Eskrima & Grandmaster Cacoy Canete Given the recent mention of the Oh-Ky-In Tri-State area of the midwest... This weekend (May 5) one of the more famous names in martial arts, Grandmaster Cacoy Canete, will be teaching an Eskrima-Eskrido seminar in Dayton, Ohio. Grandmaster Canete will be turning 82 this year, but you wouldn't be able to tell it by watching him do his art of Eskrima, an art he started learning at the age of 7 years old. To tie this in to the KMA, Grandmaster Canete was recently honored by the ITF's Major General Choi. I had to honor of again training with GM Cacoy his past Saturday. I began my training under him five years ago.> Response: Ray, please tell GM Canete I said hello. As you are aware I met him and his family while in Cebu, Philippines. Had the pleasure of learning some things from him. A wonderful experience. A humble and consumate gentleman. We have purchased property in Cebu near Mactan Island and the beaches. Plan to return to Cebu next year and learn more. GM Canete should be in Maryland area in June or July.His cousin resides there. Back to the grind. Peace, Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 23:08:21 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #268 The oldest beginning TKD practitioner I ever knew started his first class just after his 65th birthday. (His wife paid for the lessons as a gift - and also to get him out of the house after he retired.) The last time I saw him, he was 81 years old and had been a black belt for about 9 or 10 years. He moved a little slower than the youngsters, and only sparred with those over 65 : ) - but he was killer at forms and attended classes twice a week. He told me he was sure he'd made it to 80 because of having somewhere to go and something worthwhile to do with his time. >> That's a cool story! ------------------------------ From: Richard Zaruba Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:25:57 -0500 Subject: Subject: the_dojang: forms > I have heard and read a variety of explanations as to the origins of the > forms and why they created them in the first place. Here are a few that I > have come across, any input would be greatly appreciated. > > 1) defending against multiple attackers. > 2) created by the students to help remember individual defense techs. > 3) mindless dribble > 4) coordination of mind and body I've got one more for your list: 5) To teach proper body mechanics and transition between techniques. Many time forms contain certain movements that are some what exaggerated compared to the way they are normally used for say sparring. But these exaggerated movements many times help to teach proper body mechanics. Example: How often do you chamber a fist at the hip during say a sparring match? But how often do you pivot the shoulders and hips to generate power in a punch? The chamber helps to emphasize proper mechanics to develop power and speed in the punch. This explanation also is applicable to basic horseback stance with blocking and striking drills. At least this is one of the ways forms have been explained and are utilized in my dojang. My two cents, Rich _______________________________________________________________________ Richard Zaruba Department of Anatomy & Cell Biology University of North Dakota School of Medicine 501 North Columbia Road P.O. Box 9037 Grand Forks, ND 58202-9037 zaruba@medicine.nodak.edu 701.777.3952 office 701.777.2576 lab 701.777.2477 fax ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 05:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Hyungs Reasons > 1) defending against multiple attackers. > 2) created by the students to help remember individual defense techs. > 3) mindless dribble > 4) coordination of mind and body >5) as a roadmap to the various vital points on the body Bravo Mst Terry for #5! 6) sometimes the movement is modified to conceal 1,2&5 maybe from another kwan that might be watching, or for the inner/outer circle theory of instruction, in which only the inner trusted circle learn #5 My $0.02 worth on #3 includes things like showing Hadan Mahki (low defense) as a way to block a kick. Let me do a 45 degree front leg round kick to your thigh as fast and as hard as I can, and you do the proper fold, stance and blocking motion.....hmmm If you can make it work and damage my leg with the bones in your outer forearm, I'll stop doing JKD paries and come train with you Oh well, I've opened the can so I might as well stir it up real good. Also, the reason I do the MDK forms which have some historical value, is they have all of the #4 and #5 that I can hope to approach proficiency at in my lifetime. So why would I make up any more #3 using the moves from historical forms anyway. Now If your form had TGT techniques in it and none of the moves in the original MDK forms, that would be different and new. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 06:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Age and Martial Arts he was 81 years old and had been a black belt for about 9 or 10 years. He moved a little slower than the youngsters, and only sparred with those over 65 : ) - but he was killer at forms and attended classes twice a week. He told me he was sure he'd made it to 80 because of having somewhere to go and something worthwhile to do with his time. Sally, Kamsahamnida for the wonderful post! I met a grandma that started at 64 when her son and grandson tested for 2nd dan. She earned her BB at 67 and I witnessed her 2nd Dan exam, when her son and grandson tested for 3rd dan :-)..I think she was about 70 then and teaching grade school age kids one day a week in her son's program. She has been an inspiration to me and many others. My wife's grandfather walks EVERY morning at 7AM sharp, and grandma does "Low Impact" Aerobics two to three times a week and can Polka any of her grandchildren into the ground. I am inspired to never get old and keep getting out of the house! Yours In Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 7:05:13 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #270 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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