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The_Dojang-Digest             Thur, 3 May 2001          Vol 08 : Num 274

In this issue:

       the_dojang: Jade Dragon
       the_dojang: Gunting
       the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #268
       the_dojang: Age= My workout today= old farts routine
       the_dojang: Buddhism, Natural Law, etc.
       the_dojang: Buddhisn, Natural Law, etc. 2
       the_dojang: <no subject>
       the_dojang: Hapkido Class Structure
       the_dojang: Dayton Ohio
       the_dojang: Cost to Set Up Dojang
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From: ABurrese@aol.com
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:13:25 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Jade Dragon

New issue of Jade Dragon ran an article of mine on the Korean Admiral Yi Sun-shin.  There are quite a few other articles there that people may find interesting too. Check it out!  - Alain

http://www.jadedragon.com/articles/yisunshin.html

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From: ABurrese@aol.com
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:34:55 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Gunting

A while back the Gunting, a knife designed by Bram Frank, was discussed.  Current issue of Tactical Knives has a write up on the knife by Michael Janich.

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From: FGS & KVF <spunkykvf@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:07:00 -0700
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #268

> Part of my requirements for black belt tests are so many hours of
> supervised teaching and then so many hours of un-supervised teaching.  I
> find that the students can then see for themselves what goes into
> keeping 10-20 people busy for an hour or two, they are then in a better
> position to make the choice of life student or school owner.
>
> I have always felt the one of the best ways to learn and remember
> something is to try and show someone else.  If a green belt is showing a
> new student Chon-Ji they have the opertunity to be asked something about
> the form that they my not have thought to ask and will need to ask
> myself or a upperbelt and so now both are learning at the same time.
>
> Joe

Exactly what I am talking about.  My instructor also feels the same way re: teaching requirements for BBs, and I think teaching hour requirements aren't unreasonable for BB tests.
Spunky

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From: Ken McDonough <maganda44@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:49:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: the_dojang: Age= My workout today= old farts routine

Yo:

This talk about age got me into the gym early today. This over 48, but,
below 50 guy did the following:

a. Sat in steam room then whirlpool. Meditated on my last wild party.

b. Did a few warm up exercises and stretched.

c. Swam 24 laps.

d. Off the swim suit. Into gym gear.

e. Treadmill= 2 miles.

f. Cycle= Manual, at levels 4 thru 6, 20 minutes.

g. Light weights work out.

h. 50 crunches, 15 right side crunches, 15 left side crunches. Total=
80. One minute rest. Then another 20 to round off the figure to 100.

i. 30 push ups.

j. hit the heavy bag.

This, my spring chickens, was done at the time of 6:30 am to 8:30 am,
while many of you were still sleeping (he he).

Ya know what they say, when ya get too old to cut the mustard, ya can
always lick the jar. 

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From: cspiller@e3mil.com
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:20:56 -0700
Subject: the_dojang: Buddhism, Natural Law, etc.

Dakin said:
>In theory I guess a "true" Buddhist would have noted that the world of the
flesh was illusory, but in reality he was pretty worried that his whole family
was going to be killed. I hope you guys don't get TOO wrapped up in this whole
philosophy kick.<

I don’t think the problem is getting TOO wrapped up in philosophy. I think the
problem is holding to a philosophy that doesn’t adequately describe REALITY.
Philosophy literally means “the love of wisdom.” If one can’t know reality then
there is no wisdom and thus no real philosophy. MY worry isn’t people getting
too hung up on philosophy, it’s people either ignoring philosophy or holding
to propositions that aren’t true (yes, I actually believe the truth can be known).


What you described about your friend escaping from the Khmer Rouge isn’t only
a matter of not living up to Buddhist principles. It is potentially (and I underline
POTENTAILLY) a mater where Buddhism faces reality and comes up wanting. 

Taekwon,

Chris



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From: cspiller@e3mil.com
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:25:03 -0700
Subject: the_dojang: Buddhisn, Natural Law, etc. 2

Bruce said:
>>that's because I believe that such material is an integral part of MA training
and has been in Korean tradition for about 1600 years.<< 

Dakin replied:
>I'm not so sure. I've always believed that Confucianism had a much bigger influence
on Korea than did Buddhism did.<

I agree that Confucianism had a larger influence on Korean culture than Buddhism,
but I took Bruce’s comment to refer to philosophy in general and Buddhism secondarily
(especially given the part about MA training).

Bruce said:
>Perhaps the comment about the Khymer Rouge does a better job of characterizing
the expression of "evil". I say this not because a Buddhist would identify such
behavior as evil but because most people would identify the willful taking of
life for a personal agenda as evil. A Buddhist would seek to avoid this behavior
not because it is "bad" or "evil" but because such behavior does not draw a
person from the best part of themselves.<

I see your point here. However, according to the Pancha Sila (5 Moral Precepts)
one must “avoid killing or harming any living thing” and the Sigalovada Sutta
identifies “the destruction of life” as one of the evils of the layman’s life.
It goes on to identify 4 things that lead to evil (desire, meaning greed, lust,
or clinging; anger and hatred; ignorance; fear and anxiety). Also in the Sigalovada
Sutta the Buddha states “And people in the spiritual life should be good to
lay people: keep them from doing evil, encourage them to do good, make sure
they hear the dharma, clarify what they don't understand, point out the way,
and generally love them.” It seems that good and evil are concepts that are
known to Buddhism. 

>Does that mean a Buddhist would condone--- or even encourage such behavior?
Probably not. Would a Buddhist enjoy being the object of such a behavior? Probably
not. However, to begin to identify individuals and conditions is a slippery
slope which then induces us to parcel up all of our world into tight little
bundles of right and wrong then follow this up with consequences of our design
as sanctioned by something greater than ourselves.<

But this is exactly the problem I have run into with my study of Buddhism. It
NECESSITATES a design by something greater than oneself. Even if you say that
it is the Anatman it seems that this “no soul” becomes, out of necessity, GOD.
(Please note that I will leave aside the question of sanctions for the moment.
I think your explanation of karma is excellent, and the way you have stated
it actually fits with almost every explanation of merit/virtue/vice that I have
read.)

>Then there is the question of how an "evil" person sees themselves ("..If the
Khmer Rouge were trying to purge their society we have to ask "from what?").
Once again we have the evil individual applying one value to his behavior and
many others applying another standard...I would agree that "purging something
is inherently bound up in ..." making something different. I suspect it is left
to the individuals involved to judge the quality of their behavior.<

I think that everyone PERCEIVES themselves as working for the good. Even the
evil man, when he does evil is doing it as something he values. Thus, even if
robbing a bank is an evil act the evil man does it for a perceived good (material
wealth). But in reality his actions are not justified by the end (more money
for him). The actions themselves are evil. 

I agree that the individual must judge the quality of his actions. However,
there must be a rule against which to judge it. Also, I don’t think that just
because I am the one robbing the bank I can say that it’s a moral good. I can
EASILY be wrong about that.

>I am also careful when using the term "Natural Law" as we can never be quite
sure whose nature we are involved with. :-) By this I mean that it's a pretty
safe bet that we share quite a few similarities and a lot more differences.
An Islamic Fundamentalist terrorist, however, may identify me as an abhorrent
evil worthy of death because I violate his concept of Natural Law. Likewise,
an evangelical Baptist preacher might identify me the same way but for wholly
different reasons. My wife has identified me as the Devil incarnate but that
has to do with her idea of Natural Law as it relates to the toilet seat. :-)<


Let me clarify a bit. When I speak of the “Natural Law” I am referring to a
law of behavior that is inherent in everyone by the simply fact that we are
human. The Islamic Fundamentalist and the Evangelical Preacher BOTH must behave
a certain way. Why? Because of their shard DIGNITY as a human person. 

Now as I said above, just because we can judge our own actions doesn’t mean
we’ll always be right. In fact, the Natural Law is easy to know in its basic
principles (“do good, avoid evil”) but as you make more specific application
of the Natural Law it is harder to know what to do in a given situation. For
example, I know I should avoid evil, killing is an evil, but what about Capital
Punishment? There are enough extenuating circumstances to keep people thinking
( I will NOT say guessing) for years to come. Part of the Natural Law is that
as rational beings (well, most of us anyway, we must use our reason to figure
things out).

Please note that I will recant of everything if your wife brings up the toilet
seat incident! ;)

As an aside, I find Confucius to have quite a good grasp on the Natural Law,
although I prefer Thomas Aquinas.   

>I'm not sure about the relationship between natural law and morality as that
seems to bring us right back to splitting everything into this and that.<

 I see your concern, but it seems to me that since man is by his very nature
a moral agent this is inescapable. Likewise, since the Natural Law is inherent
to his nature man’s morality is something inherent to himself. If one believes
in God then morality and the natural law come directly from Him and there is
no problem with them being arbitrary. Why would God give us a human nature and
then a code of morality that is completely arbitrary? If one is a Buddhist this
works too because, even if reality is an illusion, there is a code of morality
to live by (see above). 

>BTW: Another problem I have, Chris, is not being able to identify another word
for "best" when I use the phrase "out of the best part of oneself". I like your
use of "natural" but I need to underscore the idea of "best" along the lines
of being the most truly Self I can be.<

I agree with you completely! Being truly myself is bound up with following the
Natural Law and living a life of virtue. Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism,
etc. all seem to agree on this point. Humans are called to be truly human by
living their lives in a manner worthy of their dignity. The problem is that
a lot of us don’t do this!  

>Neatly enough, such material brings us right back to MA practice. Such practice
provides us with many opportunities to address the violence outside of us as
well as inside of us. How we do is probably subject to evaluation by just about
everyone. How those efforts are categorized is also likewise vulnerable to labeling
by just about everyone. But the actual nature of what we do--- the "doing" of
what we do--- is, pretty much, in each persons' own face.<

Precisely! MA training can be a means by which we perfect our virtues (and everything
I have heard says it’s supposed to do this). This is especially true of things
such as perseverance, humility, courtesy, honor, etc.

Taekwon,

Chris
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From: "Rudy Timmerman" <kwangjang@nkmaa.ca>
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:43:59 -0400
Subject: the_dojang: <no subject>

JR writes:
> The story was about my host, who, as
> a younger pilot, found a distressed woman trapped in an aircraft with her
> husband/pilot, who had died of a heart attack while flying.

Hi JR:
This is a wonderful story.  I remember reading about this particular
incident.  Thanks for sharing it with us.
Sincerely, Rudy

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From: <George.Popofski@emich.edu>(George Popofski)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:14:48 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Class Structure

I am interested in hearing how other hapkido instructors teach their adult 
classes on a day to day basis.  I teach under my instructor and this is how 
he has always run his class: 

The entire class (which may consist of brand new students to advanced 
students nearing their black belt test) warms up and does some break falling 
as a group for about the first 20 minutes.  The class then splits up and the 
students work with a partner on techniques for the remainder of the class 
(about 45 minutes).  If there is any time left, we will spar, but usually 
there isn't any time remaining.  

The instructor goes to each set of partners and may review the last few 
techniques they are working on and will then show the next technique that 
they need to know for their next rank test.  Then the instructor moves on to 
the next group of students, and in an assembly line fashion, repeats the 
process, continuing until he has seen everyone and worked with them on 
something new or reviewed something they needed working on.

Is there a better way to run a hapkido class where you have students from all 
levels who are all working on different techniques?  Obviously, if you have 
more than one instructor teaching at the same time, you can spend more time 
with each student but otherwise, the instructor in my case usually has about 
5 minutes with each student since we average about 10-12 adult students. 

Any ideas are greatly appreciated.   
  
George Popofski
3rd Dan IHF Hapkido

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From: "jere-hilland" <jere-hilland@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:41:28 -0400
Subject: the_dojang: Dayton Ohio

<<I'll be up there in the last weeks of June this year, does anyone want to
get together and do some Hapkido?  Let me know. Michael Tomlinson>>

I hope to see you this summer. You are always welcome at the dojang, you
just have to take a short trip to the West side on Cincinnati. We are open
everyday but Sunday! Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul


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From: "jere-hilland" <jere-hilland@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:42:43 -0400
Subject: the_dojang: Cost to Set Up Dojang

<<You noted your new school. Would it be impolite to ask what the start up
fees were to establish the school. Hit me privately if you prefer. Re: Cost
for rentals, gym equipment and so forth.>>

Several factors come into play before even discussing financing. I have
always been a volunteer part-time teacher before. So there was the matter of
leaving my previous career and signing a lease. As I am the only full time
teacher, I did most of the construction, my wife and a few students helped
in the evenings and on weekends. We did everything ourselves from framing to
painting. We built 2 dressing rooms, a dojang store and an office. Then we
built the suspended floor after the trim work and painting. It took a full
month to do all that. The only thing we did not do ourselves was put down
the carpet. We also had all the signs and advertising professionally done.
Before any of this happened, we met with our CPA and attorney and sorted out
the best method for financing, etc. As my wife is also a CPA, they were able
to talk the same language. We then files the Hapkido Self Defense Center,
Inc. as a S Corp. We had all the art work for the walls (we had previously
bought a lot of art work in Korea and China), had 1/3 of the mats and all of
the office furniture. But everything else we bought new. What do you mean by
rental and gym equipment? We are a dojang only, no gym equipment other than
the mats. Email me privately and I will be happy to over our start up cost,
etc. Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul


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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:23:50 PDT
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