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The_Dojang-Digest             Thur, 3 May 2001          Vol 08 : Num 275

In this issue:

       the_dojang: RE: The Gunting
       the_dojang: RE: More Buddhist stuff
       the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #274:Hapkido Class Structure
       the_dojang: Banning Boxing
       the_dojang: Re: JiDo Kwan Article
       the_dojang: Ray= GM Canete seminar tour
       the_dojang: Re: Thanks Mr. Hilland
       the_dojang: Re: sold out
       Re: the_dojang: Ray= GM Canete seminar tour
       the_dojang: .
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From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" <Michael.Rowe@sitel.com>
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:08:30 -0500 
Subject: the_dojang: RE: The Gunting

<<A while back the Gunting, a knife designed by Bram Frank, was discussed.
Current issue of Tactical Knives has a write up on the knife by Michael
Janich.>>

So what do you think Alain? Maybe I can get Bram to Autograph the Article
for you :)

Michael Rowe

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From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:51:53 -0500 
Subject: the_dojang: RE: More Buddhist stuff

Dear Chris: 

	".....>Does that mean a Buddhist would condone--- or even encourage
such behavior?
Probably not. Would a Buddhist enjoy being the object of such a behavior?
Probably
not. However, to begin to identify individuals and conditions is a slippery
slope which then induces us to parcel up all of our world into tight little
bundles of right and wrong then follow this up with consequences of our
design
as sanctioned by something greater than ourselves.<
But this is exactly the problem I have run into with my study of Buddhism.
It NECESSITATES a design by something greater than oneself. Even if you say
that it is the Anatman it seems that this "no soul" becomes, out of
necessity, GOD.  (Please note that I will leave aside the question of
sanctions for the moment.  I think your explanation of karma is excellent,
and the way you have stated it actually fits with almost every explanation
of merit/virtue/vice that I have read.)..." 
Excellent post, Chris. I teased out the quote above only because it seems
pivotal to many of the issues facing the Buddhist community in general in
many countries. It is also the source of many dialogues with non-Buddhist
friends and aquaintances who know that I practice Hapkido and wonder how I
reconcile that "violent pursuit" or "violent intent" with the perceived
passivity of my Buddhism. I guess there are three points that I juggle (four
if you count what I was saying in the past post about Karma and natural
consequences) at this juncture. 
The first point is that, as I mentioned before, Budddhists do believe in a
God albeit a non-intercessionary god. I don't know that I would characterize
such a god as a necessity as much as a fact of life. I suppose a metaphor
could be, say, the Pacific Ocean. Its big, powerful, capable of influencing
life on this planet and not particularly responsive to my supplications.
Living in the Midwest maybe the Pacific affects me, but I remember that
people of the Middle Ages in small towns in Ireland were probably
tangentially influenced by the Pacific Ocean and never knew it existed less
understood its nature. 
The second point is what I mentioned before: the need for Buddhist thought
to recognize conditions without being controlled by them. The term that I
use is "benevolent indifference. This is different than willfully ignoring
the situations or plights which swirl around us. Things happen and I work to
keep a level Self, electing not to get giddy over "good stuff" and depressed
over "bad stuff". 
The third point is pro-action. Because of the benevolent indifference I
mentioned above, Buddhism has sometimes been characterized as almost stolid.
I suppose a case could be made for this. However, there are also individuals
who advocate for Buddhists to be more pro-active in their community. The
Vietnamese monk, Thicht Nhat Hahn (Plum Village, France) builds his whole
approach to Buddhism around this sort of action. 
If I take these three (four) points and stir them, the trick is to keep a
Middle Path and not slip off to extremes, to act when it is time to act, not
act when its time not to act, to come out of the best part of Self--- and
all not to garner bennies or avoid punishment, but simply because to do so
is the finest expression of who we are as beings.
Good stuff, this.
Best Wishes, 
Bruce    


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From: David Beck <dbeck@ssd.usa.alcatel.com>
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:42:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #274:Hapkido Class Structure

George wrote:
>
>I am interested in hearing how other hapkido instructors teach their adult 
>classes on a day to day basis.

Most days we'll do some kicking right after the warmup; occasionally with
everyone working the same kick but typically different levels working 
different variations of the same kick or type of kick.  Ie, inward crescent
vs spinning inward crescent vs inward crescent/side double, etc.  This works
well both for kicking in the air and for lines going versus pads or heavy
bags.  If you're doing vastly different techniques it works better to split
into different groups.

When everyone can fall acceptably, we'll sometimes do a line rotation where 
each person is attacked by each other person in turn in some particular way
(say a singlehand wrist grab) and does the same technique in response to it.
Or does a different technique on each person in the line.  Sometimes I'll 
have everyone do the same technique, sometimes with different levels working
a different variation, sometimes leaving the choice up to the person.
IE, line, singlehand grabs, center lock (aka S-lock, aka nikkyo) variations.
This works well up to about 5-6 people in a line.  Split or combine groups
as attendence varies.  Groups can be 2, 3, 4, 5, whatever.

One of my pet peeves when going up through the ranks was I absolutely *hated*
when an instructor would work with one particular group and sit everyone
else down.  I may give students a short water break or a minute rest, but 
beyond that I'm gonna use every minute of mat time we've got.


David N. Beck          Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com
WATT Lead Engineer
Alcatel USA         1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075
** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA **

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From: Bernard Maginnity <bernard@koorong.com.au>
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:20:00 +1000 (EET)
Subject: the_dojang: Banning Boxing

An interesting development occurred here in Oz (Australia) earlier this
week with State and Federal Ministers meeting to discuss the future of
Boxing in Australia.  The calls for its complete ban stem from two recent
incidents.  The first involved the death of a fighter as a result of a
fight (bit sketchy on the details), the second resulted in a severe
concussion resulting a coma.

The Federal Minister called for a complete immediate ban and was supported
by about half of the Ministers.  the other half called for further
information and a little tolerance.  The meeting also turned its attention
toward 'other violent sports'.  This other category included MA's and
football.

My thoughts were 'here comes the black market/underground fighting
industry ala The Gladiator'

Bernard Maginnity

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From: JFBulson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:06:12 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: JiDo Kwan Article

I've just finished reading DD V8 #273 and it appears no one is taking up 
Ray's challenge.

<< FYI, check out the JiDo Kwan article in the May 2001 issue of Taekwondo 
Times. How many errors can you spot? >>

I'll start it off, let's see where it leads.

I've seen, not just in this article but others, that Chi Do Kwan - founded by 
Yon, Kue Pyang and Ji Do Kwan - founded by Gae Byang Yun are listed as two 
separate entities or styles. First of all Gae Byang Yun is written western 
style. Written Korean its Yun, Gae Byang. It appears that the two kwans and 
two founders are one and the same. They are just different romanizations of 
the hangul.

Just a Student

John Bulson

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From: Ken McDonough <maganda44@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:09:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: the_dojang: Ray= GM Canete seminar tour

Ray:

On the serious tip. Just got back from class. My instructor, who originally
studied Korean systems, (I think under GM Kang ?) is now heavy into Silat
and Filipino martial arts. I sort of admire his seeking new paths. Anyway,
after class he told me that he would like to conduct a seminar having GM
Canete in the summer. I previously told him that he is visiting his cousin
in Baltimore area in June or July. Who do I contact to arrange with my
instructor to have GM Canete stop by and provide a seminar ? Let me know
privately. I send this message to you since I have your address in the
office and I am currently at home.

Thanks,

Ken McD...

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From: Ken McDonough <maganda44@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:24:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: the_dojang: Re: Thanks Mr. Hilland

Mr. Hilland stated, in part:

<I have always been a volunteer part-time teacher before. So there was the
matter of leaving my previous career and signing a lease. As I am the only
full time teacher, I did most of the construction, my wife and a few
students helped in the evenings and on weekends. We did everything
ourselves from framing to painting. We built 2 dressing rooms, a dojang
store and an office...>

Response: Mr. Hilland. Yes, hit me privately at your leisure and throw some
figures at me. On the serious tip, part II. It takes a lot of courage to 
leave a career and start on an uncertain path. I had a friend in California
who left a lucrative career as a stationery salesman making a good buck. A
Japanese company flew him into Tokyo to offer him a new job with a larger
territory. Instead, he decided to open his own Kuk Sool Won school. 

Started similar to you. I admire individuals who have the fortitude and
courage to seek a path that they want to pursue. I know that feeling.
Similar to the "zone" when you got your game on (for you basketball
afficiondos). I also know you will be affiliated with a good organization,
re: Master West's Assoc.

Now to find my path. First, need to fight my demons. He He.

A toast to you. In Queens, an old tradition for a new business was to take
a dollar bill and write good luck on it to a new business owner. I will
send
you that traditional dollar if you send me your address.

Best of luck.

McD...

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From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:36:12 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: sold out

In a message dated 4/19/2001 1:29:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:

<< <<When I began teaching for him, I felt that his
 students were doing alot of techniques wrong, and were
 not getting enough knowledge about tae kwon do such
 as; history, korean terminalogy, discipline, etc.  So
 I taught things my way and it took some of the kids
 awhile to adjust, and I changed some things 
 also, so it wouldn't be so much of a shock for them.
 >> >>

i had a different take on this statement than a lotta folks. it sounded like 
the author was saying that his instructor had backed away from teaching so 
much so, that the students were not getting taught everything they 
needed.....everything that the school owner used to teach, but wasnt any 
longer. 

seems like that happens all too much when a school owner gets lazy and ends 
up having the advanced yellow belts, whom he promoted to black belts, teach 
the white belts. it all gets watered down in the process while the owner sits 
in his office or is at home and uninvolved.

if this is the case, it sounds like your instructor was taking advantage of 
you when you returned. you owe him gratitude for your training in the past. 
but you dont owe him so much that you should instruct his students for free 
and then be discounted. 

perhaps i'm being all too pessimistic in believing that he'd rather have two 
paying brats than one non-paid instructor. after all, he can just promote 
someone up to teach watered down martial arts for him if he has to.

if i'm all wrong, if your instructor doesnt fit any of the above 
descriptions, if it is only your teaching opinions which differ and you want 
to teach a different curriculem.........i agree with the other feedback youve 
gotten. it's your instructors school and your instructors choice. you have 
only to accept it, discuss and reach a happy medium, or leave. 

mark had some really good advice, too, on leaving the door open and trying to 
move on in a positive way. agreeing to disagree takes a lot of will power 
over one's own ego. i hope that if you part, you'll part on good terms.

i do not envy you your difficult situation.
melinda

Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply
http://www.cjmas.com
Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships

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From: Ray Terry <raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com>
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:12:51 PDT
Subject: Re: the_dojang: Ray= GM Canete seminar tour

> On the serious tip. Just got back from class. My instructor, who originally
> studied Korean systems, (I think under GM Kang ?) is now heavy into Silat
> and Filipino martial arts. I sort of admire his seeking new paths. Anyway,
> after class he told me that he would like to conduct a seminar having GM
> Canete in the summer. I previously told him that he is visiting his cousin
> in Baltimore area in June or July. Who do I contact to arrange with my
> instructor to have GM Canete stop by and provide a seminar ? 

I just spoke with Gm Canete.  He will be out on the right coast the last
weekend in July (Boston and then Baltimore).  We'll see what he can work out.  
More info and a contact later.

Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com

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From: Ray Terry <raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com>
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:16:59 PDT
Subject: the_dojang: .


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