From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #280 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 7 May 2001 Vol 08 : Num 280 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #278 the_dojang: numbers the_dojang: Blocks v08.n271 the_dojang: Contact the_dojang: Training Tips Websites the_dojang: NK goes Disney the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 08:56:10 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #278 Bernard Redfield wrote: > hey you hkd people that do > kicks on a > soft matt and have to pull the foot into proper position feel that tug > in the knee if you don't get the proper pivot?? My response: Rotating kicks should not be done on a soft mat. I know that the hkd people do spinning kicks on soft mats, but it is NOT a good idea. My impression of various mats is as follows: 1. Wrestling mats: very awful for kicks. Toes get stuck, etc. 2. Gymnastic mats: Also pretty lousy for kicks. The loose material grips the toes. Our judo room at IU has a loose canvas cover over old matting, and catches toes all the time. I had a friend who did a spin kick on a similar mat, and when he came down his foot caught but his body kept spinning. He ripped out his entire knee. 3. Jigsaw mats: Never worked out on 'em, but my impression is that any mat that has gaps in it is a bad idea. That said... 4. Swain mats and other modern tatami: I love these things, as long as they are framed in nice and tight. An inch of foam underneath takes some of the sting out of falling, but they are still stiff enough that you do the kicks you want. Of course, hard wood or a dance floor is the best for kicking, as long as you keep 'em dry. Take care! Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:41:09 PDT Subject: the_dojang: numbers Dan and Poom totals from the Kukkiwon... Rank Korea Other Total 1st Poom 1,030,273 53,712 1,083,985 2nd 429,904 5,837 435,741 3rd 123,745 508 124,253 4th 5,595 18 5,613 ------------------------------------------- 1,589,517 60,075 1,649,592 1st Dan 2,442,693 123,350 2,566,043 2nd 197,160 32,770 229,930 3rd 84,667 12,389 97,056 4th 33,592 4,548 38,140 5th 12,588 1,822 14,410 6th 3,242 650 3,892 7th 1,222 223 1,445 8th 585 57 642 9th 179 37 216 ------------------------------------------- 2,775,928 175,846 2,951,774 ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Blocks v08.n271 <> I think way too many people execute blocks only from the "harder" interpretation. Now, before anyone starts tuning-up on me, let me say that I, too, learned hard blocks, with hand closed, arm locked-in and hips engaged. Nothing wrong with this and I have had occasion to use almost exactly such a rising block to fend off a piece of falling machinery at an earlier employer. However, I think I have had my eyes opened broadly to my options in Hapkido when such blocks are softened a bit so as to allow for a conversion into some trapping/grappling/throwing etc. Even "soft blocks" that I have seen in TKD and Karate are executed with a distinct rigidity which I have found to impair a conversion from a defensive posture to one of offense. I would be willing to let you wail on/at my thigh but I most probably wouldn't use the standard locked-out TKD lower block. I have not had much use for JKD perse, but IMHO the use of parries is indicative of a higher level of practice. It takes a while to master them, but I think the options are greater. <> Bruce, I may be dumb, but not stupid. Assuming I pass my 3rd gup exam in a few weeks, I will be learning some kick defenses in my SMK HKD classes. Like I'm really going to kick at a HKD Black-belt after that ?? Yes, I agree that parries indicate a higher level of player, but are also more instinctive and thus easier to teach as a reaction/conditioned response, and so my 10th gups learn the JKD basic parries from day one. I have found in my limited study of SMK HKD that some of the more advanced parries are used as entries to joint-manipulation techniques. For example, we often use the full circle parry to enter into a t-step and "all-directions throw advanced" (forearm turn).....It's almost impossible to type HKD techniques, neh...Or we will use what Si Gong Lee would call a croise or bind to "skeletally lock" the opponent as an entry to a throw or sweep. I would also agree that many hard style "blocks" negate the possibility of transitioning from defense to offense (or intercept to a trap/grapple). This will sound odd to my MDK friends, but in our kwan forms are optional until 7th gup even though my beginners end up learning them. In these early levels, I don't emphasize traditional "blocks" or "punches." In general we try not to be rigid or mechanical, but fluid. Which is also why my white belts do combinations, albeit simple ones at first, because I want them to get the concept of using combinations early. Now I'll open another can of worms...if you are practicing HKD one could say you are practicing theoretical JKD.... You have weapons in all 4 ranges; Kick, Punch, Trap & Grappling, neh? You practice an "eclectic" art evolving from solid roots, neh? You have an interest in effective techniques over flash (function before form), neh? You work on flowing from one range to another...kick defense becomes grappling technique, neh? Hmmm........ Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Patrick L" Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 15:04:27 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Contact >what about groin and pec pulls? if one was palpating the pectoralis major >on a female client.....or a groin pull of a male or female client.... >y'never know what one could be accused of. i'd still be careful.< If you hit it too hard - You are negligent, and it you just touch it your a pervert!!!!! Getting in the Way, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "hackworth" Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:32:04 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Training Tips Websites I have seen some good training tips and class drills at the AAU website and www.4kicks.com. Do any DD members know of any other good sites for training tips? Or do you have some on your school website? Richard Hackworth www.pbms4me.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 17:39:35 PDT Subject: the_dojang: NK goes Disney Trip to Disneyland ends in arrest for North Korea's heir By Richard Lloyd Parry in Tokyo Japanese Authorities are detaining the son and grandson of Kim Jong Il, the hereditary ruler of North Korea, after the family attempted to visit Disneyland in Tokyo. Kim Jong Nam was held on Tuesday at Narita airport in Tokyo with his wife and infant son when he tried to enter the country using a fake passport. After insisting that he was from the Dominican Republic, he then admitted his identity and is being held with his family in an immigration detention centre, pending their deportation. Kim Jong Nam, 29, is the eldest known son of Mr Kim and is regarded as the designated heir to the world's last remaining Stalinist dictatorship. Japan's Kyodo news agency reported that he told police, "I wanted to go to Disneyland." Yesterday, sources close to his family confirmed the incident and told The Independent that Mr Kim and his family were going to Japan for an incognito holiday, something that they have done many times in the past. His detention in Japan, a country regarded by North Korea as a historic enemy, is humiliating for a regime that has only recently begun to take tentative steps towards opening up. For Tokyo, it is mortifying a senior member of a hostile government should have managed to penetrate immigration controls so easily in the past. Mr Kim landed in Japan on Tuesday afternoon on a Japan Airlines flight from Singapore, accompanied by his four-year-old son, his wife and a maid. The group was detained by immigration officers, apparently acting on a tip-off, and found to be carrying forged passports from the Dominican Republic. The passport bore a false name, but the date of birth, 10 May 1971, was the same as that of Kim Jong Nam. Very little is known about the family of Kim Jong Il, who had almost no contact with the outside world until his historic summit meeting last summer with the South Korean President, Kim Dae Jung. Kim Jong Nam is believed to be the child of the second in a series of wives and mistresses. His mother, Sung Hye Rim, was a celebrated actress who lived with Kim Jong Il in the late 1960s when he was still in the shadow of his father, North Korea's founding "Great Leader", Kim Il Sung. The couple separated, and Jong Nam was brought up by an aunt in a secluded palace outside Pyongyang. He attended schools in Moscow and Geneva. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 17:40:45 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #280 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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