From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #285 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 10 May 2001 Vol 08 : Num 285 In this issue: the_dojang: tkd on tv the_dojang: "Work" the_dojang: asked to stop training the_dojang: forms on-line the_dojang: Insufficient Progress the_dojang: Re: throwing out students for "insufficient progress"? the_dojang: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #284 the_dojang: Master McHenry's Forms Resource the_dojang: Advanced Women's Self Defense the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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The "matches of dream" that are going on at CBS Studio Center (Studio City, California, USA) on June 2 are "Night of the Stars," the main event of international Taekwondo Championship that is co-hosted by CBS, one of 3 world-biggest broadcasters, and AMA (American Martial art Association. President Cho, Nam Soo). "Night of the Stars" is to be going on for 2 hours from 7 p.m. and here ex-Olympic medallists and World Champions are going to have "star wars" to snatch the title "Best of the best." 5 of Olympic medallists and 5 of World Champions make up a team and they will play a team. 88 Seoul Olympic Gold medallist Kwon Tae Ho fights 3 consecutive world champion Jin Seung Tae, and 88 and 92 Olympic Silver medallist Juan Morreno competes with 3 consecutive World Champion Joseph Salim. One of the outstanding matches is the one between Kim Je Kyoung (Samsung S1 before) and Kim Kyung Hoon (Samsung S1). Kim Je Kyoung was the "world-best and strongest" of 90=A1=AFs; 92 Gold medallist and 3 consecutive World Champion, 2 consecutive World Cup Gold medallist, 2 consecutive Asian Games Gold medallist, and 3 consecutive Asian Champion. Kim Je Kyoung had the injury on the thigh get worse while he was training for Sydney Olympics, and he yielded his qualification ticket on August 2, 44 days before the Olympics, and this ticket was taken by his lower mate Kim Kyung Hoon. Kim Je Kyoung co-trained with Kim Kyung Hoon in Taeneung, and taught Kim Kyung Hoon sparring skills and even analyzed his would-be opponents to help Kim Kyung Hoon. Finally Kim Kyung Hoon won the gold in Sydney Olympics, which must have met Kim Je Kyoung's expectation. By the way, this event is going on by 2-round-matches, and further, it adopts a differential scoring system where they can get as high as 3 point according to the difficulty of techniques they drive. By the differential scoring system, it is expected that they can display brilliant colorful techniques and accordingly thrills of their games will be maximized. Olympic medallists vs. World Champions. "Night of the Stars" will be really star wars. ~~~ Title: World Stars Go for Taekwondo Promotion Author: Cho Hyun Jin Date: 2001/05/09 Source: Taekwon.net Such famous martial art movie stars as Chow Yun-Fat of "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon," Chuck Norris of TV "Walker, Texas Ranger" and Steven Seagal of "Underseas" go for Taekwondo promotion. These stars are going to attend "Night of Stars," the main event of CBS Cup International Taekwondo Championships (CBS and AMA co-hosted) and then to get a "certificate of honorary Taekwondo promoter" in there to promote Taekwondo. Chow Yun-fat, above all, is now enjoying bigger and bigger popularity worldwide; his movie "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" won 4 Academy awards including Best Foreign Language Picture and also won more than 120 million dollars in USA only. He is literally a world star. So he is counted on that his activities will be really helpful to promote Taekwondo worldwide. Cho Nam Soo, chairman of Organizing Committee of CBS Cup International Taekwondo championships, said, "Only if world stars attend the Taekwondo championship, it is very effective for publicizing Taekwondo. If they are appointed to honorary Taekwondo promoting 'envoy,' it will effect a tremendous impact." By the way, in "Night of the Stars," the main event of International Taekwondo Championships, 5 previous Olympic medallists and 5 World Champions are playing team, and also instructors active around the world are to perform a Taekwondo demonstration. ------------------------------ From: Hottstuff5344105@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:57:31 EDT Subject: the_dojang: "Work" Craig: Didn't mean to upset a brother but my point is that maybe the "Pro-Wrestling" training is more real than people would think. I wasn't calling anybody out or anything. I have no plans to dust off my gear and run to the ring. But Shin Nak Kim (Rikidozan) has a martial arts background so did Kim-IL (Kintaro Ohki) and Byung Woo Kim (Seiji Sakaguchi) who also played the 7 foot tall villian in a Chuck Norris movie. I have trained with some of these men and believe me it is pure grappling at its best. I just get tired of people downing workers for trying to make a living. If you wrestle (Wrassle) you're a fake! If you make money teaching you're a Sell Out! But it seems perfectably acceptable to make Kardio Karate videos or low budget Ninja movies. What a double standard. Richard Hackworth www.americandragon.org ------------------------------ From: "Miguel" Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:03:46 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: asked to stop training Recently my husband was asked to stop training with his martial arts club > because it was felt that he risked injury, wasn't making much progress, was a > bit too old etc (you may remember I posted here last week asking if it would > be a good idea for him to take up tkd). > Do you guys often show a student the door if he or she is not grading often > enough? > Donnla. Donnla, I would not bother with such attitudes. Find another dojang ASAP! Miguel Garcia's Tae Kwon Do www.garciatkd.com ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:50:57 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: forms on-line Hey Danny, <> Thank you very much. I've been wanting to do it for quite a while, and not long ago bought a video input card for my PC. It's all just taking a bit longer than I thought. I know my former GM didn't like the idea of videos, and one I did before he didn't want me showing anyone. So now that I'm "independent"...... :-) <> I'll have to check on that. Those particular videos are from the Korean TKD Association in Korea, just linked to their site, so I have no control over them. Eventually, I'd like to have them done myself. (any volunteers?) << But I have wondered why someone didn't do what you are doing.>> For one, it takes a lot of time and effort. Took me a lot of hours just to convert and upload them, not to mention the time and effort Mr. Young put in to film them. I also have to pay for the web site and space to hold them, etc. Another reason is most people who take the time to put these to film usually want/need to get paid for doing so, and sell the videos/CDs. But in this case, my intention was not to actually teach anyone the forms, merely to show or demonstrate what they should look like. There is only one camera angle, and full speed. One should already be familiar with the form and these can be great refreshers/documentation/reference. You would really want to learn them from a qualified instructor, or if you don't have one available, then go to another medium such as a video tape or CD-ROM. Eventually, you would still want to get checked by a real instructor. For those who need further instruction, I added the URL (web address) of where to get more information (like the ITF Legacy CD-ROM set). I've wanted to do a project what could help everyone in the arts, this is my gift. Having a background in TangSooDo and TaeKwonDo, and cross train in Hapkido, this is something I just wanted to do (I'm a computer geek by day). <> Yup, I thought it would be cool to have them all on one page. My goal was to get them down to a manageable size, so even those of us that have very slow Internet access could download them in a reasonable time, but without loss of quality. The files sizes (in *.avi format) went from 16.7mb to 46.5mb, down to 1.5mb to 3mb in size using the Windows Media 8 codec (*.wmv) without loss of video quality. The text did suffer some and didn't retain it's sharpness, but the video looked great. So unfortunately, I believe you would need one of the later Windows Media Players (> v.6.4) to view them. The trade off I had to make.... It is a work in progress. Thanks for your comments and feedback. Yours in the arts, Mac ------------------------------ From: "John Bennett" Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:15:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Insufficient Progress > From: Donnla Nic Gearailt > Recently my husband was asked to stop training with his martial arts club > because it was felt that he risked injury, wasn't making much progress, was a > bit too old etc Total B.S!!!!! Your husband should be happy to leave that place. What a crock! ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:28:05 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: throwing out students for "insufficient progress"? I've been at my current school (same instructor) for almost 15 years. In that time I have never heard him ask somebody to leave. Since I've been teaching there (about 10 years), I've never done it either. Martial Arts is about self improvement (one major aspect anyway). I have a student now that struggles very hard. He just doesn't get it yet. He is older and not in the best of shape. But he wants to learn. He tries hard! There are students that don't do the work. They just go through the motions. For those, I might (and I've heard the boss talk to them) say that maybe they need to apply themselves more. Often time these students will quit and I hate to see that also. Just my 2 cents Robert Martin > > I'd like to ask the good folks on this list about a situation that has > developed concerning an acquaintance of my husband's and his martial arts (not > tkd) club. > > Recently my husband was asked to stop training with his martial arts club > because it was felt that he risked injury, wasn't making much progress, was a > bit too old etc (you may remember I posted here last week asking if it would > be a good idea for him to take up tkd). > > Now, another student from his club, who has been training for 4 years, has > also been asked to leave. The reason? His instructor feels he won't make it > to the next grade any time soon and so has decided to show him the door. > > Now, I always thought that one should progress at one's own pace, and that not > grading one year should not mean being expelled from the art (there are no > other schools in the area that practice this art). The student in question is > not lazy and doesn't skip classes or shirk practice. > > Do you guys often show a student the door if he or she is not grading often > enough? Is this a way of pushing the student to excell, or prodding them a > bit? Incidentally the student in question didn't get any prior warning that > this could happen. I'd be interested to hear what you think. (Personally, I > think it's rather unfair. But maybe there's a different perspective in which > it makes sense). > > Donnla. ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 04:17:17 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Donnla writes: > Do you guys often show a student the door if he or she is not grading often > enough? Is this a way of pushing the student to excell, or prodding them a > bit? Incidentally the student in question didn't get any prior warning that > this could happen. I'd be interested to hear what you think. (Personally, I > think it's rather unfair. But maybe there's a different perspective in which > it makes sense). > > Donnla. Hi Donnla: Some Instructors seem to lean toward teaching the easy to teach students because it makes them look good. An Instructor has to have LOTS of confidence in himself to train people that do not make him look good. Not to say that this is the case here, but it does happen this way. As I said before, look for an Instructor who will push you forever; however, look for one who also understands personal limitations. People with limitations can be pushed to great achievements. It may take more time, but the results are VERY rewarding. Don't feel bad about leaving that school. Each to his or her own, but you (and your friends) are much better off without that Instructor. Best wishes. Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: "K T" Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:03:52 +1000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #284 Ms Nic Gearailt I'm not a master or a grand master but have spent quite a few years bouncing around finance executives who are ambitious and politically ruthless. For what its worth here is one possible take on the scenario you describe. The instructor that you are talking may (for very commercial reasons) be trying to target his school to a new market. I would suggest that he is trying to fill his school with "A" type personalities who would be highly competitive, more likely to participate in competition and more likely to win. What would he get out of this? I would suggest that if his dojo starts producing a string of winners in competition in national championships ... he is looking at the possibility of a heatlthy national franchise. Having said that it is not a moral thing to do and to continue on such a course may eventually cruel his business, unless of course ... he is very successful at producing winners. Strangely ... many people will sign to a winning organisation. Yours (perhaps cynically) Noel Doney _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ From: "K T" Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:11:13 +1000 Subject: the_dojang: Master McHenry's Forms Resource Master McHenry Many thanks for creating such an excellent resource. I would imagine that it would be a great resource for everyone but I particularly like it because I'm still working my way through the ITF forms. Regards, Noel Doney _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ From: "Meghan Gardner" Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:39:09 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Advanced Women's Self Defense On Sunday, June 24th, Guard Up, Inc. will be offering a 6 hour Advanced Women's Self Defense Intensive at our facility in Waltham, MA. This course is specifically designed for women with previous self defense experience - either through our own programs or that of another company/organization. Topics covered: * Failing the Interview: How to identify the interview process, both short term and long, and how to "fail" it * Bang, Slice and Whack: Dealing with Guns, knives, and clubs * The Fox and the Hounds: How to defend against more than one attacker * Donna and Goliath: How to fight larger opponents * Who turned out the lights: Defending yourself when you can't see (perfect for women who wear glasses and risk losing them in an altercation) * The Storm after the Storm: Dealing with Police and the Press after an assault The course involves lecture, interactive roleplaying and physical training. We will also be working with multiple Padded Attackers in the final hours so that you can practice your techniques with full power. The cost of the seminar is $95.00 and it will be held at the Waltham Athletic Club at 249 Lexington Street in Waltham, MA. To register, send a check payable to: Guard Up, Inc. WAC location 249 Lexington Street Waltham, MA 02452 Or register online with a credit card at: www.guardup.com/wsd2.htm and click on the ActiveUSA link. You can also view video footage of our self defense course at: www.guardup.com/video (you need RealPlayer to view the video) Please register asap since there *will* be a participant cap to insure quality instruction. Meghan Gardner Director Guard Up, Inc. www.guardup.com 781.271.1491 "Always carry love in your heart, and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 6:29:41 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #285 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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