From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #293 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 14 May 2001 Vol 08 : Num 293 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Self-Defense vs. Goliath Subject: the_dojang: Self-Defense versus Goliath the_dojang: Read Any Good HKD Books Lately??? Re: Subject: the_dojang: Self-Defense versus Goliath the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #289 the_dojang: USTU Town Meeting the_dojang: training in Lawrence Kansas the_dojang: allmartialarts dot com the_dojang: David vs Goliath the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sarah Pride Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:47:50 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Self-Defense vs. Goliath I am a fairly sturdy female, 5' 5.5" tall and weighing approx. 145 lbs. I use the word 'sturdy,' because I am not fat, yet I am not a slender wraithlike being. I'm sturdy. And fast. One day last year I found myself using this speed in a game of Ultimate Frisbee, trying desperately to grab a flying frisbee before this human mountain (6'+ tall, lots of pounds, barrel-shaped) did. I soared into a beautiful leap, snatched the frisbee - then dropped it, as I bounced off the guy's unmoving side like a pebble thrown at the side of a cliff. He calmly caught the frisbee and lumbered off in the opposite direction, as I blinked the stars from my eyes and wondered what year it was. He apparently had not even felt the impact. Anyway, I have wondered many times since what actual use my Tae Kwon Do would be in a situation against such a monolith. Practically none, I decided, so it is a good thing that I have many different reasons for studying TKD. I would do far better in any self-defense situation than I would have before I began learning TKD, but I imagine that my best defense is still my speed. For running away. :) Height and overall size really do matter, even in the dojang. Sparring guys is _hard_, man! Sparring larger females is difficult, too. In my school, twice a year we have intra-school sparring tournaments. We generally have two or three female divisions from the adult class: big ones and smaller ones, and if we have a lot of belt differences, an additional medium mish-mash of the generally less-aggressive. Now, I am borderline between the "aggressive smaller ladies" and the "aggressive larger ladies" at my school, but since I am a red belt, guess where I end up? Yep. I always spar these two: my 5' 8" 230+ pound red belt "little" sister (age 16), and a 5' 8" 160? pound blue belt lady. I am faster, sure, but that doesn't help much when my sister can, and does, score off of punches due to being much larger than me! The other lady always just keeps on coming. They're both at that annoying height where they can still get me with a roundhouse when just barely out of my range and also can still kick me when I am kicking them. I have to have a sort of darting flurry action going, which is very tiring. :P Oh yes, something else I noticed. On the Olympics TKD video, the taller opponent won nine times out of ten. - -Sarah Pride- ------------------------------ From: Alan Jay Weiner Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 18:46:09 -0400 Subject: Subject: the_dojang: Self-Defense versus Goliath In the "fighting against Godzilla" vein, how about someone who's -uh- severely medicated and simply won't respond to pain? (I'm thinking specifically of PCP, but I imagine there are other drugs which would prevent them from being controlled by pain. What do you do when the crazy guy keeps coming, even after you've broken several of his bones? And none of the - -- - -- Alan Weiner -- alan@ajw.com -- http://www.ajw.com ------------------------------ From: Hottstuff5344105@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 19:40:32 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Read Any Good HKD Books Lately??? I recently had a chance to read a very large HKD Book (Over 1000) pages. The history section was worthless and the story about how a belt becomes black over time from wearing it did not impress me much either. Does anyone have a favorite HKD book? Bong Soo Han's Book, "Hapkido Karate" did not have a single joint manipulation technique in it!?! Is that his way of keeping the Korean art of Hapkido a Korean Art? Maybe that's why he called it Hapkido "Karate." GM Ji has made mention of writing a book. Has anyone heard anything about when it might come out? Or the videos that he allegedly filmed, when are they going to hit the market? I think a book by GM Ji would draw the HKD community closer together. Richard Hackworth http://ma_success.tripod.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:53:06 PDT Subject: Re: Subject: the_dojang: Self-Defense versus Goliath > medicated and simply won't respond to pain? (I'm thinking specifically of PCP, > but I imagine there are other drugs which would prevent them from being > controlled by pain. > What do you do when the crazy guy keeps coming, even after you've broken several > of his bones? And none of the I've never had the misfortune of being up against someone that was 'dusted', but from the LEOs I've worked with I hear it is a VERY scary situation. These dudes feel little to nothing and are stronger than an ox. I'm reminded of a line from Richard Pryor (the comic), something like,,, when you put your hand in your pocket, if all you can pull out is skin, you'd better RRUUUUUUNNNNNNN!!!! Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:33:50 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #289 Some great threads today! First, thanks to the guys who posted about the martial arts available in Scouting. I always wondered about that. Secondly, there's Catch-as-catch-can. Michael Rowe wrote: >Even > President Lincoln was > a Catch competitor in his youth. Michael, what's your source on this? I know he wrestled, but was the style called Catch-as-catch-can at the time? Or was it the Collar and elbow style? By the way folks, Catch-as-Catch-can was not all that popular before the 1880s. It was revived in England in the 1880s when Japanese jujutsu players started performing on the British stage. Lorne got it right I believe, Catch-as-Catch-can was previously called Lancashire style. Jose then writes: > This may sound silly, but I will give it a shot. I have often > thought that > WWF pro wrestlers would be formidable opponents for the > average and even the > above average martial artists. For example, I would submit > that The Rock > would kill most martial artists in a street fight. These guys > are in Great > shape, they are very strong, they are used to taking pain so > would be very > hard to stop, and they do know some wrestling holds and moves > that could be > devastating. I think you're comparing apples and oranges here Jose. Yes, those guys are often fantastic athletes and anyone with that amount of talent will probably have an edge on most martial artists. The question is, "why is this important?" It is useful knowledge that if you are attacked by a huge pro wrestler, it is a good idea to: a. Run and call the police. b. Hit him over the head with a steel pole. c. Poke him in the eyes or get a good grip on his family jewels. I hope nobody would advise someone to defend him/herself by using Spleen 6 or to use a lightning fast reverse punch, unless they had no other alternative. Self-defense is never about a fair fight. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: Tkdtiger@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:41:34 EDT Subject: the_dojang: USTU Town Meeting In a positive move to improve communication with the membership, the USTU will be sponsoring a 90 minute town meeting at Nationals on Thursday May 24th - time and location to be annouced - probably the host hotel - somewhere in the 8 - 9 area. The first 30 minutes will be a presentation by USTU Executive Director Jay Warwick - the last 60 will be a Q&A session. Please come and be prepared to participate. Have a list of questions - just remember that they cannot dicuss any item that is under investigation or is a current complaint. If this is a positive, constructive meeting, we will be seeing more of these in the future! Ronda J. Sweet USTU Publication Chair ------------------------------ From: Arlene Slocum Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:43:27 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: training in Lawrence Kansas >PS.... A student in our Dojang is moving to Lawrence Kansas to attend >the University. Any good reccomendations for training there. I know >Ms. Slocum trains up there, but I have forgotten the name of the >school... Lawrence TaeKwonDo ????? Any help is appreciated, this young >man is very athletic.. a natural. He'd be a great addition to ANY dojang. >dave weller student wtf tkd I have trained for over 8 years at the Lawrence Tae Kwon Do School. We are located at 19th and Vermont street. Phone number 785-843-2121. My instructor is GrandMaster Ki-June Park. He teaches martial arts in the traditional style, including TKD, hapkido, kum-do (sword) and sun-do (breathing meditation). Our school is small (under 100 students, a typical class size is around 10-15) and family oriented and new students are welcome at any level. Your friend should give Master Park a call. Master Park has been teaching since 1975 and definitely works you very hard. Arlene Slocum 1st Dan Lawrence Tae Kwon Do School ArleneS@geoaccess.com ------------------------------ From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:54:32 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: allmartialarts dot com Bruce mentioned that : > Jorge from down in the Yucatan put me on to this website ( > www.allmartialarts.com ) > because it had a > pretty interesting family tree of Korean arts. Yes, it is a good chart, although I disagree with some of the content. I saw the same chart off of a link from the official Hwarangdo site, and it is an excellent summary of the official Hwarangdo history, from what I can see. Carsten, is the link off the Hwarangdo site go to www.allmartialarts.com? If not, is this allmartialarts site using the Hwarangdo material without permission? Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: mtomlins@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:52:07 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: David vs Goliath I totally agree with Jose, I don't care how much you train size does matter, I think the story of David and Goliath can teach you a lesson, David was smart enough NOT to fight with Goliath unarmed,, remember, he used a slingshot. The same applies to smaller people in self defense. I don't advocate or am insisting that everyone carry a weapon but put it in perspective. One of the reasons weapons were invented was to equalize the size disparity in self defense. If you are 120 pounds and ARE thinking about defending yourself unarmed against a 260 pound madman,, then I don't think you truly understand self defense. Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #293 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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