From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #294 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 14 May 2001 Vol 08 : Num 294 In this issue: the_dojang: fighting goliath the_dojang: RE: Richard Pryor Quote the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #293 the_dojang: regarding goliath the_dojang: RE: Lincoln Wrestling Style. the_dojang: Re: Kumdo/Kendo in Indiana the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #293:David vs Goliath the_dojang: David vs Goliath the_dojang: Re: The bigger they are.... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #293: Read Any Good HKD Books Lately??? the_dojang: Mickey Mousey Man???? I think not! the_dojang: Re: David vs Goliath the_dojang: Re: GM Ji the_dojang: Re: David vs. Goliath Re: the_dojang: Re: GM Ji the_dojang: allmartialarts.com ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jerseyj Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: fighting goliath Hi all, Funny, I used to think of this problem as an averaged sized guy when sparring some of the huge goliaths in my dojang. I'm not sure what others think, but in a street situation, I would think to do something like a low kick to blow out the other persons knee. No matterh how much they don't care about pain, or how big they are, if they are physically unable to walk (due to broken knee parts!) it would make it much harder (though certainly far from impossible) for them to harm me ...What do ya'all think ? Jerry +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Without continual growth and progress, such words as improvement, achievement and success have no meaning." - Benjamin Franklin +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:09:15 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Richard Pryor Quote <> Which is rapidly followed by my favorite quote that often use: "It much easier to heal a broken ego than a broken jaw!" Michael Rowe CC&A Systems 5601 N 103 Omaha, NE 68134 Programmer Analyst ------------------------------ From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:11:33 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #293 Richard Hackworth mentioned: > I recently had a chance to read a very large HKD Book (Over > 1000) pages. The > history section was worthless and the story about how a belt > becomes black > over time from wearing it did not impress me much either. Dare we ask who wrote that book? > Does anyone have a > favorite HKD book? My favorite HKD book is He-Young Kimm's "Hapkido II." It is not, however, my favorite jointlocking book. For that I'd have to point at "Kansetsu-waza", a Daitoryu book in Japanese whose author escapes me at this moment. Half of the stuff in the Kansetsu-waza book is great jujutsu, while the other half is aiki techniques that seem problematic to me. Like you, I have high hopes for a book by GM Ji. We can only hope! Take care, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: "rich hodder" Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:18:43 Subject: the_dojang: regarding goliath Hey all, I believe that Mr. Colt came up a really great equalizer for those world class behemoths (in a worst case scenario). Rich _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:23:36 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Lincoln Wrestling Style. <> Family History is my source. Tradition has it the my Great(I forget how many greats go here) Grandfather William Roy Rowan once wrestled this tall scrawny man, named Abraham who later was elected president. The style of wrestling was always referred to as Catch by my relatives. I have no actual documentation so it is not the strongest of sources, but due to family pride I'll stick with it. Michael Rowe Dan Il Kwan - Gym of Unity Unity Church of Omaha 3424 N 90th Street Omaha, Nebraska 68134 ------------------------------ From: MJD99AB@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:31:08 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kumdo/Kendo in Indiana Hello all, over the weekend I was at the inlaws for mothers day and my wifes brothers son (about 11 years old) was playing with a small plastic sword for about 2 hrs. The kid is obsessed with swords. The parents would like to get him into martial arts and I was wondering 2 things. 1) Is that too young to study a style like Kumdo or Kendo? 2) They live in Crown Point Indiana... are there any Kendo schools in that area? I believe someone who posts here teaches Hapkido somewhere around there...do you also teach Kumdo? Thanks Mark Daley ------------------------------ From: David Beck Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:54:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #293:David vs Goliath Sure, size matters. Sure, a professional athelete would be tough to take down. But you don't have to submit the guy or knock him out. All you need is a thumb in his eye, a kick to his knee, a chop to the throat, etc. Even a fake can provide enough of a distraction to gain the time to get away. You don't fight a guy like that fair. No such thing as a fair fight anyway. David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com WATT Lead Engineer Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: "Luc Nguyen" Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:51:38 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: David vs Goliath Since nobody can win all the time, practicing MA is just helping us to improve the odds. The question becomes: In case when I absolutely have to defend myself against Goliath, would I rather have practiced MA or not? The answer is obviously Yes. At the same time, I agree with everybody that I would avoid this confrontation first if I can. On the other hand, for the newer and younger MA practitioners, those who just got a few belts and think that they are invincible. May be they need a real confrontation to adjust their attitude. :-D. Luc Nguyen ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:05:47 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The bigger they are.... The Longer You Stay Unconscious! ------------------------------ From: David Beck Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:14:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #293: Read Any Good HKD Books Lately??? Richard wrote: >I recently had a chance to read a very large HKD Book (Over 1000) pages. The >history section was worthless and the story about how a belt becomes black >over time from wearing it did not impress me much either. Does anyone have a >favorite HKD book? Bong Soo Han's Book, "Hapkido Karate" did not have a >single joint manipulation technique in it!?! Is that his way of keeping the >Korean art of Hapkido a Korean Art? Maybe that's why he called it Hapkido >"Karate." GM Ji has made mention of writing a book. Has anyone heard >anything about when it might come out? Or the videos that he allegedly >filmed, when are they going to hit the market? I think a book by GM Ji would >draw the HKD community closer together. > >Richard Hackworth Which one was it specifically? Most HKD books have worthless histories, the only exceptions I know of are Dr. Kimm's Hapkido Bible and Hapkido II and the Marc Tedeshi book. Those are the best ones out there. Kwang Sik Myung's books (WHF) are good technique wise but a step down. Scott Shaw's, Robert Spear's, and Bong Soo Han's aren't really worth picking up at all. I've seen but don't have Hui Son Choe's first book, somewhere in the middle. Good on application of a technique type to different situations. I doubt GM Ji will write a book himself. My understanding is that Dr. Kimm's Hapkido Bible recorded what GM Ji wanted recorded. But that was some time back, he may want some more Sin Moo specific things done. Anyone know? That's about it for what I've seen. I also know of but haven't seen books by Dr. Jung Hwan Park, Joon M. Jee, dojang member Mike Rowe, and dojang member Bruce Sims. Hey guys, here's your chance to plug your work. David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com WATT Lead Engineer Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:26:34 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Mickey Mousey Man???? I think not! > ------------------------------ > > From: Dave Weller > Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:45:39 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #289 > > Amen Brother. I am built like Mickey Mouse with an eating disorder. Hmmm... a little sand-bagging, here, Mr Weller? Don't you folks believe it. Dave is merely showing a little of the humility that any BB should posess. He isn't Godzilla-sized but would make a formidable opponent. Kerry (Who may have to spar Mr. Weller in my next test. Which of course has nothing to do with my post. Seriously.) ;) ------------------------------ From: Victor Cushing Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:35:47 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: David vs Goliath At the severe risk of being flamed or misunderstood, I think some of us are missing the point. If you knew well ahead of time that you had to face a much larger stronger opponent you would either follow Falstaff's advice (he who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day) or you would premeditate a solution involving weapons, ambushes, alliances with others, etc. On the other hand if faced with immediate death or serious bodily harm to myself or a loved one, with no escape route or way out, I would not simply give up and say. "Oh, well, it's all over, I will just lie down here and either die or get stomped." or "I will just watch while my wife is raped and murdered." Without claiming that I or anyone that trains with me would survive, there certainly are some strategies or reactions that raise the odds. Get off the line of the attack, zone, fade, shed, pivot whatever tactic you like best and go for some very vunerable spot...eyes come to mind as a first choice. Improvising a weapon from your surroundings or accessing one you already carry are also life enhancing options. The world class bruiser is going to win if you let it be a contest (he may win anyway, but I sure want to cheat i.e. not follow any rules, and to be the first one to do it. The objective is survival, not the use of some technique and if faced with that situation, one needs to accept the need to invent a survival mechanism. I would hope that rather than falling back on "there is always someone who can kick your butt logic" that we talk more about to do and not just rationalize defeat. The better fighter analysis smacks of contest mentality, not survivor thinking. Vic Cushing ------------------------------ From: RDNHJMS@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:35:42 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: GM Ji << GM Ji has made mention of writing a book. Has anyone heard anything about when it might come out? Or the videos that he allegedly filmed, when are they going to hit the market? I think a book by GM Ji would draw the HKD community closer together. >> The book is in the works. I am presently translating material. At the rate I'm going, it shouldn't take but another 50-60 years. GM Ji has done the preliminary takes for the video (nothing alleged about it Mr. Hackworth). He's presently tied up right now opening a new dojang where he will teach on a regular basis. I just shipped him the mats for the floor today. The address is: 1400 Willow Ave. Melrose Park, PA 19027 V/R, Rick Nabors ------------------------------ From: Richard Zaruba Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:02:05 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: David vs. Goliath Like it or not, usually when you have to defend yourself it is usually a David and Goliath type of situation. There are usually three exceptions: they are under the influence of something (drugs, alcohol,...), they are armed with a weapon, or there is more than one. The problem in many schools that teach martial arts that they send to much time training to spar in a tournament and to little time practicing self-defense type sparring. The target areas used in tournament sparring are definitely not ideal for self defense. Stomping on the knee or top of the foot is a much better alternative to the torso as a target, breaking a finger can disable a hand, strikes directly to the spine or a strikes to the throat, eyes or over the ears are all much more effective than the usual targets used in sparring. Many people call this fighting dirty, I call it common sense. I follow a simple idea for self defense: Run if at all possible, fight only if you have to, and if you fight strike first and at the most vulnerable target available. Martial arts training provides many valuable skills including focus, self control, targeting, etc for self-defense, it just a question of whether or not the student is taught how to apply them correctly. ______________ Richard Zaruba University of North Dakota School of Medicine and Health Sciences Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology 501 North Columbia Road P.O. Box 9037 Grand Forks, ND 58202-9037 Off: (701) 777-3952 Lab: (701) 777-2576 Fax: (701) 777-2477 ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:52:22 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: GM Ji > a regular basis. I just shipped him the mats for the floor today. The > address is: > 1400 Willow Ave. > Melrose Park, PA 19027 > (215) 635-2458 For those not familiar with this area, it just barely north of Philadelphia. DoJu Ji's new dojang is maybe less than 300 yards from the border with Philly. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: J T Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: allmartialarts.com This site is definetly a site to promote Hwarangdo. Though they put historical information into it, it does have some errors. Things that I right away was in its lineage chart. At one point it said that some Hwarang warriors went to China to teach their system, when it is known that HRD has its roots in Chinese martial arts. Another point was stating that GM Lee helped name the art of Hapkido. I know of only two stories about the origins of the name and neither one mentioned GM Lee as "co-creator of the name". I am sure that there are other things not quite right with this site's history, but I only skimmed it today. Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #294 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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