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The_Dojang-Digest            Thur, 24 May 2001         Vol 08 : Num 311

In this issue:

       the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #310
       the_dojang: Henny Penny-The sky is falling
       the_dojang: Sunday day of rest
       the_dojang: Video taping class
       the_dojang: boxing...
       the_dojang: RE: Doing Forms
       the_dojang: RE: Being a Good Partner
       the_dojang: Re: videotaping
       the_dojang: Jumping and Falling
       the_dojang: re: TABOO? to Video Tape for personal use
       the_dojang: 20th Annual NLETC Use of Force Training Certification Seminar 
       the_dojang: .
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From: "Dizzy S." <karatekid1975@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:11:30 -0400
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #310

Maureen wrote:

<<Is it 'taboo' to tape classes for your own personal practice (with the
instructors permission of course)? >>

I don't think it is. But then again, I don't own a dojang, and I'm not an 
instructor. If I were, I wouldn't have a problem with it if it is a way of 
learning.

<<I have noticed other people taping their children (or mates) during class 
& at belt tests, is this standard practice as well? . Also what about taping 
at tournaments?>>

In my dojang, the parents tape all the time (tests, some classes, ect). They 
also tape tournaments. One parent even brought her tape into the dojang to 
play for everyone. My parents even tape me (even at my age).

<<I am not referring to taping every class, just one, for example a class
where I know we will be doing forms. Most students take notes & tape other 
types of classes as I did in college. I  thought it might work for martial 
art classes as well, since I don't even have a text book to refer to.>>

The IMA (International Martial Arts Assn) made instruction videos for us to 
learn from at home. Even the old owners of my school had their own video 
series just for the school's students. Maybe you can suggest to your 
instructor to do the same. It doesn't have to be professionally done as long 
as it clearly explaines what he is teaching on the video. I think it is a 
very good learning tool. All it takes is a home video camera with a cheap 
tape in it, maybe a little editting, and poof. He has an instruction tape 
:o)

I hope this helped. Talk to you all soon.
Dizz

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From: Bernard Maginnity <bernard@koorong.com.au>
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:14:11 +1000 (EET)
Subject: the_dojang: Henny Penny-The sky is falling

Dizzy asked does anyone have a fear of falling?

I have to say that learning to fall recently and currently I was
concerned.  I overcame this in falling in two ways.  First by breaking the
technique down, doing smaller, slower and then building up to 'real'
speed.  This is easier if you have someone experienced who can look at
your technique and correct you.  The other way is to practice and practice
and well you get the idea.  Through repitition we develop conditioning and
the falling becomes easier.
my $0.02

Videoing class/gradings.  It is a really good way to see how you are
actually performing and eliminates minds eye perspective of our
performance.

My last Master had a big problem with Video's.  Someone taped a grading
and took the video, copied it, sold copies to all the students and other
schools in their area and then left the organisation and used it as the
basis for their own.  After that the only videoing allowed was during
sparring and only then when the Black Belts were 'welcoming' new
candidates.  For yourself it boils down to Instructor allows it?  Good

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From: Bernard Maginnity <bernard@koorong.com.au>
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:20:26 +1000 (EET)
Subject: the_dojang: Sunday day of rest

Master Whalen our friendly local Master G shared a beautiful early morning
run with us a couple of weeks back.  We all gathered at 3am and had a
little run.  But I don't think ours counts because we were on "HELL
CAMP"...

Bernard Maginnity

"The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step"


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From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:52:33 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Video taping class

Your instructor should provide a video of the forms for you to purchase to 
study at home. If not, then he/she should have no problem allowing you to 
video tape him doing the forms so you have a study/reference guide.  

ALL my classes are open to view and or video tape.  
gary pieratt



In a message dated 5/23/01 8:34:15 PM Central Daylight Time, 
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:

<< My reason for the taping was to have a reference to practice forms
 correctly. I don't always remember every step. He told me to video myself at
 home but I can't teach myself a new form. I do tape to critique what I do
 know for style etc, as many athletes do.
 
  I am not referring to taping every class, just one, for example a class
 where I know we will be doing forms. Most students take notes & tape other
 types of classes as I did in college.
 I  thought it might work for martial art classes as well, since I don't even
 have a text book to refer to.
 I enjoy my classes & just want to do well at my new passion.
 
 I am not angry just wondering what the 'rules' are.
 Any instructors or students who have an opinion on this?
 
 
 
  >>

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From: "kadin goldberg" <kadin1@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:21:27 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: boxing...

Hi, i dont know if anyone is into boxing on here but i was just wondering if 
anyone knew of any boxing gym's or trainers in the Billings, MT area.  If 
you do know of anything please e-mail me at kadin1@hotmail.com

Thank you,
Kadin
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From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:47:31 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: RE: Doing Forms

Dear Dizz: 

"...In my dojang, we don't just learn the form. We learn the history, how
many 
movements there is, where it came from, ect. And we learn what each movement

(block, strike, kick, ect) is for and what it could do if done right...." 

A little bit ago there was an exchange about imagery in training and I would
like to tie together both that exchange and this one regarding the
usefullness of Forms. Dr. Kimm relates that while GM Ji was incarcerated in
Korea a great deal of GM Ji's maintanence on his art was accomplished
through imagery. I heartily encourage my students concerning Forms, but not
so much to learn a particular response to a specific attack. Rather, my hope
is that by pairing a body movement with the power of their imagination they
can appreciate the options and possibilities each movement of their body
holds. As I often tell my students. "you already know Hapkido. Now we just
have to work with your mind and body to let that natural knowledge out." I
think the use of Forms is key in this process of revelation. 

Best Wishes, 
Bruce 



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From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:23:46 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: RE: Being a Good Partner

Dear Dizz:

"....Does anyone else have or had a fear of falling? How did you rid
yourself of 
this fear? I really like to help these ladies, because I see the frustration

in their faces when they "can't" do something...." 

As you have probabaly heard me say a number of times on this Net I don't
believe that MA generally, and Hapkido in particular is for everyone. It
takes a special kind of person to do the kind of consistent training and
sacrifice that produces sound, effective technique. Thats why most Hapkido
schools use "mat hours" rather than mere attendence to track a students
exposure to training. Now, having said all of that, there is also the very
important matter of pace in training. By this I mean that we humans are only
born with two fears--- fear of falling and fear of loud noises--- all the
other fears are learned. You can overcome these two in-borne fears but it
takes time and confidence to do it. I have seen more damage done by a single
bad fall done too soon than all the good from many, many good falls done
confidently. Here are some things I have found that are important in the
kind of training I am hearing you talk about. 

1.) Be a good partner. The person you are working with is scared to begin
with. You can tell them all you want that "it's all right; everything is OK"
but they have no reason to believe you and talk is cheap. As a partner you
need to show them by your actions that you will respectfully use their body
and return it in good condition, even before you submit your body to them
for their use. You need to get a "rep" around the school for being someone
that is easy to work with, before you get a rep about being able to take a
great fall. 

2.) Rotate. If your instructor is on the ball, you should be rotated
frequently during a class so that you get a chance to work with all
different kinds of people and all different levels of competence. You want
to be compassionate with those folks who are not at your level, but you also
don't want to sell your own training short. If you find yourself paired with
less competent students too consistently I would say something to the
instructor. You need to be able to push the edges of your own envelope as
well. 

3.) Don't be afraid to back-up. If a student you are working with is afraid
of the technique, its not the technique that  they are afraid of. Somewhere
along the line their preparation has failed them and they need to attend to
that. A good partner with more experience will back-off a bit and let that
lesser student work through their issue.Forcing the activity just makes the
fear worse as your partner who doubts how much they can control things only
feels LESS in control.  Now, let me tell you what will often happen when you
do this. It has been my experience that many instructors will break into
your training and press the technique issue. This is usually because they
get nervous about students usurping teaching responsibilities, &/or they
want everyone on the same page doing the same thing at the same time for
convenience sake. Fine. There is nothing to say that you can't connect with
that person at some other time and help them work through the issue
(falling, getting punched at, fear of hurting the other person). They'll
thank you for it. 

4.) Cooperation. I know this is martial arts but do yourself a favor and
forget everything about you have heard about competition and survival when
you are training with your partner. Despite all the crap that gets shoveled
about how we are this dog-eat-dog society, the fact is that the greatest
accomplishments of our culture have come from cooperation rather than
competition. In Hapkido, the minute you compete with your partner by working
your agenda on him or her the learning stops and the activity becomes a game
of hide-&-seek from training. The frustrating part is if your "cooperation"
is actually a regular practice of deferring to the partners lesser ability,
in which case we go back to my rotation comment above. 

Hope this has been of some help, 

Bruce  


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From: Piotr Bernat <dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl>
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:53:54 +0200
Subject: the_dojang: Re: videotaping

> Is it 'taboo' to tape classes for your own personal practice (with the
> instructors permission of course)? I am not looking to sell it or exploit
> anyone & would prefer if it were just of my instructor & not of other
> learning classmates,who also have the right to their privacy.

Not a problem at my school. It doesn`t happen very often, but sometimes I
have parents with videocameras in the dojang taping their children.

> I have noticed other people taping their children (or mates) during class
> & at belt tests, is this standard practice as well? . Also what about
> taping at tournaments?

I always have my videocamera with me wherever we perform (tournaments,
demonstrations, black belt tests etc.). Over the years, I build quite a
huge archive of recordings. The reasons are quite simple. I watch the tapes
to evaluate my student`s performances, to spot mistakes they made and to
show it to them. Especially good when they learn some complicated technique
and you can just show them a slow motion recording and say "hey, in this
particular moment you have your knee too low" or see how your head is
positioned, this is why you`re loosing balance"... or "just watch, this was
the best moment of your entire fight, I`m proud you did it". Besides, I
feel great when I take a videotape recorded say five years ago and see my
experienced teenage 1st Dan champion doing his best with kicking Coke cans
on a demo wearing a yellow belt... :)

Regards
- -- 
Piotr Bernat
dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl
http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl


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From: Charles Richards <mojakwan@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:00:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: the_dojang: Jumping and Falling

Dizzy S wrote

<<My advice for those who have trouble with jump kicks
is work on your "jumps" first. Jump up and bring your
legs up at the same time. Work on getting hight, then
work on kicking while you're in the air. If you're
legs aren't very strong, try doing lunges for a few
weeks, and jumping rope. Some girls in my school found
this very helpful, and they were doing jump kicks in 
no time :o) This is advice I got from a very good
black belt (it seems this guy is good at everthing!
lol).>>

Dizz, you're on the right track to do jump kicks one
must be able to do the standing kick correctly, jump
with enough hang time to execute the kick, and develop
the timing to execute the kick while jumping.  I would
add for newbies to jumping, or old gray beards with
one big ab (that's a keg, not a 6 pack) to try doing
the kick with the "tucking" leg hanging straight down.
 It will look like you're doing hop kicks and sliding
a piece of paper under your foot, but you can learn
and improve almost all the components of the kick
except the tuck, without as much chance of turning an
ankle or knee if you land wrong <g>.

My wife started training with me about a year ago, and
is now an 8th gup yellow belt.  The other day she
commented about how much she liked the tone and shape
of her legs since starting TSD, and since her odometer
recently rolled over the big 30 mark she is MUCH more
concerned about things like that <g>.  Our training
includes, Hindu squats (see archives w/in the last
year), SLOW kicks, Lunging, Kick sets with a partner,
against focus mitts, and for power, and some
plyometric hop exercises (mostly with the kids for
fun).

<<My problem is the back kick. Which is really wierd
to me cause I have a mean back hook kick, but my back
kicks stink. I can't do a jump back kick to save 
my life! It is really frustrating. I can't do a wheel
kick either. It ends up looking like a hook kick.
Anyone who can give me any pointers, it will help a
lot. Thanks in advance :o)>>

I'm assuming you mean a jump-spin-back kick.  Start by
reducing it to a jump back kick.  Start with your back
to the target.  Jump up tucking the legs, and keeping
your kicking knee pointed down, kick straight back
like a mule.  Either let the other leg dangle pointed
at the floor, or tuck it towards the body to protect
the groin (classic approach).  KJN Cho, Hee Il advises
shooting the non-kicking leg out in the opposite
direction which appears to help with counter
balancing.  He has a book and video on jumping kicks
where he explains this.  I like the Cho approach for
sparring, and the classical approach for photo-ops <g>

<<And on the topic of "fear of falling". I'm not
bashing people with any kind of fear, cause I have a
fear of my own that a 6 year old can relate to (and 
I'm 26!).

Anyway, I always get paired with a lady or ladies who
don't like to fall. One has a good reason (bad back).
I'm an orange belt (soon to be green .... next week)
and I have no fear of falling. I was a white belt
letting the black belts throw me around like a rag
doll lol, and I'm not much younger than a few of them.
They won't even throw ME.

My problem (maybe "problem" is too strong of a word
.... frustrating is more like it for them, not me) is
when we are practicing take-downs. I can't 
take them down, and in the prossess, I'm not learning
the tech right, because I "can't" with them. When it's
their turn to do the take-down, they "won't" take me
down. Why? I tell them, "Go for it. I like getting
thrown around. Ask them (while I'm pointing to the
black belts)". But they shake their heads with fear on
their face. Is it a fear of getting hurt or hurting 
someone else? Did they not learn how to fall correctly
and got hurt before? Keep in mind that these ladies
I'm talking about ARE black belts.

I'm thinking maybe it's because the old owners of my
school took out the self defence part, and the hapkido
stuff that we learn now. The new owner brought it back
when he took over in October (when I started).>>

OK, at the risk of rehashing an old war, IMVHO circle
falls (air wheels) and high back falls are what
separate HKD players from people who "know some
hoshinsul."  Tonite, when I test for 3rd gup in HKD, I
will probably do more falls than my entire career in
TKD/TSD (16 years).  I would agree, you can only
approach realistic practice of throwing/sweeping
techniques if your partner can fall.  Circle falls are
also an unwinding to what would really be
joint/ligament tearing techniques if the partner
didn't fall properly.

<<Does anyone else have or had a fear of falling? How
did you rid yourself of this fear? I really like to
help these ladies, because I see the frustration 
in their faces when they "can't" do something.>>

I've been doing HKD since 1994, but to this day it
still scares me to air wheel on my left side <shrug>. 
I'm also not excited about falling out of a technique
that I'm not expecting, although I will have to do
this type of free form falling to be a BB in our
system <g>...

To overcome this fear...double up the mats and start
doing all the falls that you do.  Work on adding
height as confidence improves.  Falling is kinda like
jump kicks, build up to it, and increased repetition
will bring increased confidence.   If you don't do it
because you "can't" do it then you will NEVER get
better, neh?

Yours in Jung Do,

Charles R.
HKD SMK 4th gup (hope i survive to 3rd gup)
Moo Do Jae Ja

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From: Thayne_Coffman@trilogy.com
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:13:12 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: re: TABOO? to Video Tape for personal use

So, IMHO, taping things is a great way to learn.  I can understand why
instructors may
think it's a little uncomfortable (privacy, copyrights, and just that it's
relatively unusual),
so it's not a huge surprise to me that your instructor came back to say
'no' eventually.

You can always tape yourself outside of class - or you could ask permission
to come
15-30 minutes before the first class or after the last class and tape
yourself.  I'd imagine
if it's just you being taped and it's outside of a class situation, there
would be fewer issues
with it.  I'm sure it would be relatively easy to find a training partner
that would want to
be taped also, so you could tape yourselves doing techniques on eachother.

I haven't ever gotten around to taping myself in normal training, but I
have a few tapes
of demos that I've been in (for ego reasons, among others...), and those
have been really
valuable to me.  I also have tapes of other people in our organization
doing things "right",
which are almost as valuable.  By watching one of the demo tapes in
particular, I noticed
that I had a tendency to have my arms wide open when coming in to attack
with
a jumping front kick - which is something I had no idea that I was doing.
Also, if you play
demo tapes slowly, it's funny to notice how often people are either looking
at the ground
or have their eyes half-closed.

Another thing they seem useful for is just to help memorize (or refresh
your memory) on
choreographed demos that you've arranged.  I've been a demo partner for a
couple people
and 80% of the effort seems to be in remembering what you're supposed to do
next.  If
you're going to be doing the demo more than once, the tapes can help
refresh your memory
on the sequencing.

And as another benefit, if you get injured in a demo and have a tape, you
can say macho
things like "oh yeah, and that's where I separated my shoulder..."  :-)










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From: Ray Terry <raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com>
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:52:01 PDT
Subject: the_dojang: 20th Annual NLETC Use of Force Training Certification Seminar 

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Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:00:48 PDT
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