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The_Dojang-Digest             Fri, 25 May 2001          Vol 08 : Num 312

In this issue:

       the_dojang: Fear of falling
       the_dojang: Jump back kick
       the_dojang: Video taping
       the_dojang: Re: Video taping
       the_dojang: Re:Asexual reproduction
       the_dojang: Video
       the_dojang: RE: Boxing
       the_dojang: Ho from OH
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From: "Dizzy S." <karatekid1975@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:04:34 -0400
Subject: the_dojang: Fear of falling

Bernard Maginnity wrote:

<<I have to say that learning to fall recently and currently I was
concerned.  I overcame this in falling in two ways.  First by breaking the 
technique down, doing smaller, slower and then building up to 'real'
speed.  This is easier if you have someone experienced who can look at your 
technique and correct you.  The other way is to practice and practice and 
well you get the idea.  Through repitition we develop conditioning and the 
falling becomes easier.>>

Thanks, sir. I will relay this to them (the women I spoke of).

Bruce wrote:

<<As a partner you need to show them by your actions that you will 
respectfully use their body and return it in good condition, even before you 
submit your body to them for their use. You need to get a "rep" around the 
school for being someone that is easy to work with, before you get a rep 
about being able to take a great fall.>>

Good point, sir. But I do have a good "rep" in the dojang. These girls (or 
women) know I won't hurt them. I always "hold on" to a person (if they are 
smaller or scared). When I take someone down, I grap their uniform and head 
and gently let them down (If they are a big guy who likes to get thrown, 
that's a different story lol). But these girls are still shaky and they get 
frustrated.

<<You want to be compassionate with those folks who are not at your level, 
but you also don't want to sell your own training short.>>

They are not less competent by any means. They are black belts that WANT to 
be helped. And I am very compassionate with them. They are my friends. I 
don't wanna "force" them (or anyone else) to do something they are afraid 
of. I'm asking for help FOR them. They asked me to.

<<3.) Don't be afraid to back-up. If a student you are working with is 
afraid of the technique, its not the technique that they are afraid of. 
Somewhere along the line their preparation has failed them and they need to 
attend to that.>>

I think that's what happened to them. But yes, next time I'll try that :o)

Thanks for your help :o)
Dizz

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From: "Dizzy S." <karatekid1975@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:21:22 -0400
Subject: the_dojang: Jump back kick

Me:

<<My problem is the back kick. Which is really wierd to me cause I have a 
mean back hook kick, but my back kicks stink. I can't do a jump back kick to 
save my life! It is really frustrating. I can't do a wheel kick either. It 
ends up looking like a hook kick. Anyone who can give me any pointers, it 
will help a lot. Thanks in advance :o)>>

Charles wrote:

<<I'm assuming you mean a jump-spin-back kick.  Start by reducing it to a 
jump back kick.  Start with your back to the target.  Jump up tucking the 
legs, and keeping your kicking knee pointed down, kick straight back
like a mule.  Either let the other leg dangle pointed at the floor, or tuck 
it towards the body to protect the groin (classic approach).>>

Nope. I mean a back kick AND jump back kick. Thanks for the advice, though 
:o) I'll thry that. Do you have any advice on doin a wheel kick?

Thanks again.
Dizz
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From: "Kenneth W. Legendre" <innae@netexpress.net>
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:43:00 -0700
Subject: the_dojang: Video taping

Hello All

I have another idea for you if your instructor does not allow you to tape a
class. You might ask him if after class you can video tape yourself doing
the forms. This eliminates the possibility that you might be trying to get
something else out of the tapes. I have taped myself several times. The most
recent being about 2 months before testing for 3rd. I always think Im going
through and doing the correct motions until I see the tape and then I think
boy did I really mess that up. Videos make for great learning tools but
always respect the wishes of your instructor.

Thanks
Ken Legendre
3rd Dan TKD
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From: MissIllona@aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 01:05:20 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: Video taping

In a message dated 5/24/2001 4:39:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:

<< Videoing class/gradings.  >>

Videoing taping is allowed in our school.  We don't do secret techniques here 
... so ... we have no problem.  Alot of the parents like to tape the forms so 
they have something to look at when their kids practice at home ... and they 
can see if they are doing it correctly.  Really helps in forms training for 
everyone actually.

Illona

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From: "Bruce Sims" <bsims@mailserver.midwesthapkido.com>
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 05:34:09 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: Re:Asexual reproduction

Dear Dizz, Piotr, Bernard et al: 

"...Is it 'taboo' to tape classes for your own personal practice (with the instructors permission of course)? I am not looking to sell it or exploit anyone & would prefer if it were just of my instructor & not of other learning classmates,who also have the right to their privacy...." 

In a weird electronic sort of way we are dealing with a cutting edge issue here, aren't we, -- or are we? I just know tha the masters of old weren't faced with the question, but I thought that it was rather telling that one of the issues surrounding the use of video taping harkens back to a very old issue of proprietary information. By this I mean that we have all heard stories about how in times past particular arts or schools developed material that was unique to their group. The fear was that their "secret technique" would become common knowledge and so create opportunities for others to develop tactics for dealing with that material. For this reason training was very hush-hush concerning making such things openly available to anyone who wanted it. 

In our push button age anyone can photocopy printed material and duplicate taped material in a matter of seconds. I suppose my question would be--- why? What exactly is the goal of this sort of reproduction? From what I remember, video taping was once something that a dad did so that he could have a record of Little Rodney at his first tournament. What I am reading now is that taping is conducted as an adjunct of sorts to formal training. And then this progresses to people who want to use taping as a substitute FOR formal training. I am wondering if we are not getting onto a slippery slope here where what was formerly an art and a cultural asset is being passed along in the same manner that young kids exchange video game disks. I  readily admit that as an author and publisher I have concerns for spurious reproduction and intellectual property rights. I think I am also making a case for not degrading the perpetuation of the Hapkido arts by obviating the very personal relationship of teacher to students just because we have the technical ability. I think I am on pretty sound ground with this concern in that I don't hear about anyone considering taping interviews with GM-s in which philosophy and teaching methodology is considered. Rather it seems that most of what is being considered is simple biomechanical information concerning tests, techniques and forms.

BTW: I will be away for the next two weeks on vacation and will not be checking in until I get back. Best wishes to everyone with your training. 

Bruce  



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From: Charles Richards <mojakwan@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 07:01:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: the_dojang: Video

OK, Since traditional TSD forms are based on Shotokan
Forms, and theoretical Jeet Kune Do can be applied to
any art, I have no secrets, and anyone can tape any
part of my classes.  That being said, I am still
hesitant to give someone a Video of a form they have
not been taught by a qualified instructor, but find
them an excellent source for helping a visual person
learn a form they are learning, or polish a junior
form.  Once the gross motor motion is memorized, the
student can learn and see more fine points from
watching and re-watching the video.  This is also very
helpful if the student responds well to visualization.
 
Video of your own performance can be very revealing,
and help you find all kinds of habits <g>.  I used the
video and critique method as part of the training
regime for one of my youth green belts that took first
place in the WTSDA 1992 World Championships.  But even
before the tournament, we would spar and leave a video
running, then I would go home and review the tape with
a note pad, bringing each student things to work on.

Yours in Jung Do,

Charles Richards
Moja Kwan TSD

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From: "Craig Stovall" <craigstovall@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:26:15 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: RE: Boxing

In regards to Kadin's post on boxing:

I don't know about the Billings area, but you can get some great 
instructional material at www.ringside.com.  The Kenny Weldon tapes are 
supposed to be really good, although I have not personally seen them.  They 
seem to be offered at a reasonable price...the whole 4-tape series for $90.  
That's not bad.  Ringside also has a lot of other books and videos on the 
subject.

Also, I've heard great things about the Don Familton tapes offered by 
Straight Blast Gym.  You can find those at www.straightblastgym.com.

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From: Ray Terry <raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com>
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:46:45 PDT
Subject: the_dojang: Ho from OH

Forgot to give my shout out from Southeastern Ohio.  Ho from OH.

Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com

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