From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #317 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 30 May 2001 Vol 08 : Num 317 In this issue: the_dojang: Should kids and adults train in the same TKD class? the_dojang: Re: Should kids and adults train in the same TKD class? the_dojang: Daito Ryu Aiki Jutsu the_dojang: Classes with limited times the_dojang: RE: Should kids and adults train in the same TKD class? the_dojang: Re: Should kids and adults train in the same TKD class? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #316 the_dojang: Question fro the more experience than I... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #316 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #316 the_dojang: RE: Kids and Adults... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #312 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #313 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #313 the_dojang: Re: Family Classes the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #316 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.mckenna@rs-components.com Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:30:18 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: Should kids and adults train in the same TKD class? Dear All Our Tang Soo Do school in Leamington Spa, UK has mixed and seperate classes. We have classes for kids only and ladies only. Most classes are for every one. I feel that this is a great approach as it allows some time to focus on the needs of specific groups. It also allows us to train together to get a better appreciation of various types of opponent. The ladies class is particularly good for getting women who are intimidated by the guys into TSD. Many of them eventually move through into the mixed classes. Having the kids join in with the adults is great. Once the kids have been training for a while they lose their nervousness around adults. This makes them more effective when they have to deal with adults throughout their life - - from school to their first job interviews. Also, they give me computer game tips ;) So, for our club, a mix of classes is best because of the variety of students training. - ------------------------ Nick McKenna 1st Dan - Johnson's Tang Soo Do *************************************************************** The contents of this Email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The views stated herein do not necessarily represent the view of the company. If you are not the intended recipient of this Email you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this mail in error please Email the sender. *************************************************************** RS Components Ltd. ------------------------------ From: Dominic Mitchell Date: 30 May 2001 09:54:27 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Should kids and adults train in the same TKD class? "T. Kennelly" writes: > For 10 years the TKD school I attend has had one mixed adult and > kids class that trained for 4 hours a week at a local YMCA. > > Lately we are hearing from the adult students that their training > is being disrupted by having kids in the same class. Obviously > kids do not have the same attention span as do adults. > I can understand. At our dojang, the during the week, adults and juniors have their own time schedule. On saturdays, it is mixed. It is not the same game ... > The instructor is considering changing our 1.5 hour class (on two > of the three days) to a 45 minute kids class (12 and under) and a > 45 minute adult class. Wouldn't it be possible for adults to come during the kids class to warn up? I think that 1 hour 15 is barely enough when you think of a proper training plan: 1) warming up and light stretching, 2) Increased activity up to the level of the core training 3) core training 4) cool down and proper stretching The Y restrictions is really annoying. If at least adults could come earlier to prepare for the class then you "could cut more" on warming up and light stretching. Cheers, Dominic. ------------------------------ From: "Peter Kim" Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:24:04 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Daito Ryu Aiki Jutsu I have been reading some books on Hapkido and it seems that root of Hapkido came from Daito Ryu Aiki Jutsu, or at least that's what Master Choi taught when he was live, then his students added kicks and what not into the art to make it what is it today. Is there any books that's avail on Daito Ryu Aiki Jutsu? I think I remember someone mentioning that he has book on DRAJ in japanese, would it be possible to find out how to get some books on DRAJ? Regards, Peter Kim ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Classes with limited times T. Kennelly wrote <> I have the same set-up at a fitness center. I chose to start with ages 5&6 Mon 6-6:45 and ages 7-9 Wed 6-6:45. The mixed class is 6:50 to 8:00 M&W for ages 10+. Most of the younger kids parents liked the one day a week commitment as there is school, scouts, soccer, and baseball competing for time....In general, I felt like 9 and under are not ready for much more than 45 minutes of attention span. If I had more hours (and a need for more income) I would have a 45 min. kids class twice a week for ages 7-9.....but keep the 5&6 year olds at once per week. <<2. Since we will now have a separate kids class what recommendations do you have for running a kids only class.>> Less talk, more action (disguised repetition). Keep it fun, and keep it moving....develop a ritual around warm-ups and your kids will remember it. I also reward them with a "game" at the end of class if the discipline level has been acceptable. Of course the game is just another disguised repetition of a skill ...For example we have a series of wind sprints (like basketball players) we do at the end of class. Which builds stamina and endurance should any choose to compete in sparring . We have a couple of games and drills that involve hops (plyometrics for explosive leg speed). And of course Sabom Nim (Simon) Says for attention to detail and following directions <<3. How much discipline do you require for the kids class.>> I do not acknowldge, yeh, uh-huh, etc. students use yes-sir in class and refer to me as Sabom Richards. We have a formal bow in (and out), and ask permission to leave class (water or bathroom break), and so-on. In general, I am stricter with the kids and allow more interactive dialogue with the adults. <> Yes, I would agree the next programs to add would be a combined family class or an "open" class. Once enrollment increases I may offer family classes twice a month on Sat. Hope that helps, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "David Welker" Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:28:40 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Should kids and adults train in the same TKD class? Alan, I'm sure you'll get a lot of replies on this, but I can tell you that some schools do have classes such as these. I attend 3 classes a week (1 adult and 2 mixed) and, with my two sons, 8 & 10 yrs. old, have just recently received our yellow belts. I had to force (okay that's a strong word, let's say, convince) my oldest son to take TKD, but now he his, hands down, the best in the class (if I'd just started a few months before him I could have said he got it from me!). Now I have to force (there's that word again) him to stay home if he's sick, he wants to train so badly! One thing - I don't get involved in disciplining my sons while in class - that's the instructors job. I have, however, on occasion, had to spar both of them and don't treat them any differently than other opponents (of course, with younger or shorter opponents I use more control rather than all-out no-holds-barred attacking - I save that for when I have to face the instructor!). The adult class was a free (yes, you heard me right - free!) class that my instructor started to help us "older" folks to get more conditioning and build up more flexibility (my oldest can do a split, not me...yet). My advice is to ask around, or speak with your instructor. He/she may be willing to provide these classes depending on if others have similar interests. There's always room to negotiate if there's money in it (that's NOT to imply that money is everything, but it can be a motivating factor!). David - ------- < Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 03:14:33 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Should kids and adults train in the same TKD class? I don't know of any school that has mixed kids & adult classes, but I really wish there was.>> - ------- ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:50:04 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Should kids and adults train in the same TKD class? We've been teaching kids and adults together for about 20 years. We have a minimum age of 8 for a child by themselves. With a parent or much older brother or sister we will take them down to about 6 years old. We have been very successful with doing things this way. (We are ITF TKD.) All our classes and 1 1/2 hours long and very intense. We don't allow the kids to disrupt (or adults for that matter) what is going on. We also have a separate class for 5 to 7 year olds. Robert Martin 4th Dan ITF > > From: Alan Jay Weiner > Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 03:14:33 -0400 > Subject: the_dojang: Should kids and adults train in the same TKD class? > > I don't know of any school that has mixed kids & adult classes, but I really > wish there was. > > My son is 6 years old. My daughter is 8. I think it'd be a ton of fun to take > classes *together*. (although probably one adult to one child would be > necessary...) Sure, _I'm_ not going to learn much; I'll take my own classes for > my own training. But it'd be great "bonding" time with the kids, and they'd > enjoy working out with Daddy. Yeah, a lot of the time it'll be > barely-controlled chaos, but they'll learn something, and it would be *fun*! We > do a bit at home on our own, but having a regular weekly lesson would make it > special time to look forward to, and having an instructor changes it from "Daddy > says do this" to "we're learning this together" > > Sure wish I could find such a class... > > - - Al - > > - -- > - -- Alan Weiner -- alan@ajw.com -- http://www.ajw.com ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:02:08 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #316 Great to see you contributing May Kay! Defending your Art...what great CHUNG SHIN. Tang Soo! For those of you who will not have the opportunity to actually meet Mary Kay, I must tell the DD that she is one feisty little woman. She is senior to me and I could not have a better set of footsteps to follow in.... See you in class tonight, MK. Bring your bruises, I'll bring mine.... - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: "CA&B Skjold" Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:03:24 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Question fro the more experience than I... I would just like to know if any of have had or were pregnant while training in Tae kwon do and if so what precautions were taken and any other advice you can give me. Training has been okay by my doctor for now, but I am only 2 months along. Thank you for your time Anne Skjold, 2nd Gup WTF TKD ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:05:40 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #316 << There was a fairly comprehensive article on this a while back that was done as an interview with Master Kim. It was called "Secret to Success in Tang Soo Do Sparring" by Roberta Burkhart. I don't have an electronic source or I'd post a link. Anyone else know of this one? MK >> It's on our website, MK. www.cskimkaratebloomfield.com on the "Student Page" scroll to the bottom and hit "Magazine Archive" ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:14:51 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #316 <><< My son is 6 years old. My daughter is 8. I think it'd be a ton of fun to take classes *together*. (although probably one adult to one child would be necessary...) Sure, _I'm_ not going to learn much; >><> You stand to gain as much by training with children as you do with adults, especially in schools that teach "minimal contact sparring." If you have a good instructor, she or he will teach the same methodology to both groups. In the Martial Arts, EVERY ONE is a teacher. From the determination of a 7-year-old white belt, to the perseverance of a 60-year-old BB, every student (and that's what we all are) has a lesson to teach. Look around you, there is much to be learned by everyone you encounter... - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: "Anne Skjold" Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:20:28 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Kids and Adults... I would like to hear from these adults how they feel they are being disrupted. I mean if you have been doing for ten years and only now need to change maybe it is the focus of the adults that need to change. Our school has a mixed class and it works wonderfully, yes sometimes they are loud, but sometimes so are we, so there is a trade off. These kids are learning and being disrupted also but they don't dare complain because they are kids. They suck it up and drive on, maybe the adults should too. Our instructor also runs a kids only class on opposing days of the week, and he runs it just like the mixed class. There is no adults only class, with the exceptions that we have a half an our after the kids are finished and he calls this advanced class. Mixed class runs for the 1st 1 hour and advanced class for an extra .5 hours. That may also be a possible solution. From: "T. Kennelly" Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:24:46 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Should kids and adults train in the same TKD class? For 10 years the TKD school I attend has had one mixed adult and kids class that trained for 4 hours a week at a local YMCA. Lately we are hearing from the adult students that their training is being disrupted by having kids in the same class. Obviously kids do not have the same attention span as do adults. The instructor is considering changing our 1.5 hour class (on two of the three days) to a 45 minute kids class (12 and under) and a 45 minute adult class. Questions for the group: 1. Has anyone else made this sort of change and how was it received? 2. Since we will now have a separate kids class what recommendations do you have for running a kids only class? Our instructor runs his children's only class the same as the mixed class. 3. How much discipline do you require for the kids class. . Wouldn't it be the same as a mixed class, why would you need to increase or decrease the amount of disipline P.S. When answering the questions please consider that the Y only allows the TKD program 4 hours a week thereby limiting the flexibility to have students come in on their own and train. Why is that? Must be a local policy our Y has a total of 32 hours available per week for Martial arts and 20 of that is TKD, 6 for Judo and 6 for Jujitsu Thanks. Good Luck to you. ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:25:03 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #312 << <> >> Those jump and spinning kicks are something, aren't they? I had difficulty learning how to do a spinning, jump inside-outside. Nearly destroyed my hips and self-esteem! A great way to learn the timing and technique required to do difficult kicks is to find a large space in a 2 foot swimming pool and try over and over and over. The water breaks your fall, creates resistance and forces you to chamber your knee... If you can stand looking like a freak (which I did not), then try it...it works wonders. It basically comes down to 4 things: Patience, Time, Practice and more Practice. - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:40:52 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #313 << My question is, what does everyone else here wear? Being a tom-boy, I'm not worried about high heels and mini skirts, but how would ya "fight" (defend) yourself in them??? >> I consider myself a 'tom-woman' too (although I can be a bit of a pris on occasion) You know, I thought I was insane because I realized a short while ago that I consciously consider what I wear because of my Martial Arts training.... For example, when traveling alone, I opt for pants and flatter, more sturdy shoes. I also make a concerted effort not to be too encumbered with bags, books etc. I don't want to fight, but I would like to be able to if the situation arose... Glad to hear I am not alone! - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:54:24 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #313 << " well if they teach you NOT to fight, then what's the sence of learning to fight?" >> Once again, I quote a Harley Davidson bumper sticker... "If you have to ask, then you probably wouldn't understand." Learning to fight does not mean that you should go looking for trouble. I wholeheartedly believe learning to fight deters aggression. It serves as an outlet and teaches the consequence of action. Have you ever sparred in class and NOT been hit back? Without JUST cause, such as the preservation of life, their is no need to fight. You tell him that we Tang Soo Do students train for ourselves and to preserve the art. And If we should ever find ourselves in a situation in which we need to defend? BACK OFF MISTER...:0 ) I feel your pain. My friends use to try and provoke me into breaking things...Don't get discouraged. Keep training. One day, your friends will stop taunting you. Skepticism is the mark of an envious person. - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:01:13 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Family Classes In a message dated 5/30/2001 6:21:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << My son is 6 years old. My daughter is 8. I think it'd be a ton of fun to take classes *together*. (although probably one adult to one child would be necessary...) Sure, _I'm_ not going to learn much; I'll take my own classes for my own training. But it'd be great "bonding" time with the kids, and they'd enjoy working out with Daddy. Yeah, a lot of the time it'll be barely-controlled chaos, but they'll learn something, and it would be *fun*! We do a bit at home on our own, but having a regular weekly lesson would make it special time to look forward to, and having an instructor changes it from "Daddy says do this" to "we're learning this together" >> We have three such classes a week at our school and the families really love them. That is why I put them in there. They are my most crowded classes, too. Illona ------------------------------ From: Katy Chen Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:23:58 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #316 maybe you can ask the instuctor isf he/she will let you assist in the children's classes. Then you can train with your kid(s) and others too. - -------- original message: I don't know of any school that has mixed kids & adult classes, but I really wish there was. My son is 6 years old. My daughter is 8. I think it'd be a ton of fun to take classes *together*. (although probably one adult to one child would be necessary...) Sure, _I'm_ not going to learn much; I'll take my own classes for my own training. But it'd be great "bonding" time with the kids, and they'd enjoy working out with Daddy. Yeah, a lot of the time it'll be barely-controlled chaos, but they'll learn something, and it would be *fun*! We do a bit at home on our own, but having a regular weekly lesson would make it special time to look forward to, and having an instructor changes it from "Daddy says do this" to "we're learning this together" Sure wish I could find such a class... - - - Al - - - -- - - -- Alan Weiner -- alan@ajw.com -- http://www.ajw.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:36:20 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #317 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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