From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #324 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 4 June 2001 Vol 08 : Num 324 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: grand champion the_dojang: RE: Heavy Bag Workout the_dojang: RE: Heavy Bags the_dojang: Re: Throwing Knives - Thanks! the_dojang: Grand Champion the_dojang: RE: tournament help... grand champion RE: Subject: the_dojang: tournament help... grand champion the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mary Braud Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 08:56:58 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: grand champion > If you were having a tournament, and there are different weight classes for > the black belt division. How do you determine the grand champion of that > division? Do you allow them to fight even if one is a 4th Dan and the other > is only a 1st Dan? All of the tournaments that I've participated in only had a grand champion for forms . All first placers within their division were allowed to compete, however, due to personal skill and difficulty of their forms, most grand champions usually turn out to be the higher ranks. But, if the judges truly grade on the rank's skill level (i.e. a white belt performing chung-ji (sp?) and a black belt performing koryo) sometimes an upset can occur... $0.02 again, Mary ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 11:02:55 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Heavy Bag Workout Neal wrote: "Just out of curiousity, what is everyone’s favorite heavy bag workout. For example, what combinations do you use, frequency of workout, duration of workout, etc." Well, I don't currently follow a heavy bag routine since 100% of my training time is now devoted to jiu-jitsu and submission wrestling, but I'll offer some insights into what I used to follow back in my heavy boxing/kickboxing days. Assuming a right-handed fighter: 1. L-Jab: start out with the jab. If your set-up allows it, move around the bag while sticking the jab. Develop the footwork and coordination by sticking the jab and moving at the same time. For power, step INTO the jab as you throw it. Also, remember the jab can be thrown to the body, so alternate between head and body jab using your legs to change levels. 2. L-Jab R-Cross: same thing but now add the cross. Not as much movement as you'll now be concentrating on delivering your power shot with the rear hand. Step into the punches, and circle the bag between combinations. Also, alternate between head and body shots. Try to cultivate the ability to throw punches at different levels with fluidity and power. For instance, jab to the head/cross to the body is a NICE combination to cultivate for sparring. 3. L-Jab R-Cross L-Hook: again just adding to the progression. Spice it up by alternating between hook to the head, and hook to the body. 4. L-Jab R-Cross L-Hook R-Cross: this is the basic 4-punch combination that every fighter can and should master. For beginners, start with all punches at head level. For more advanced, begin alternating the punches within the set at head/body level. This is great for coordination, and vital for sparring. In my opinion, one of the hallmarks of a great fighter is the ability to change levels. Headhunting is the domain of the perpetual amateur. 5. R-Cross L-Hook R-Cross: now we're throwing in the rear lead. Some trainers will tell you to never lead with the rear hand, but this combo has it's place. Again, power hitting is the key here since this tends to be a shorter range combo. As always, change levels between head and body as the comfort level increases. 6. L-Jab R-Cross L-Hook R-Cross L-Hook R-Cross: here we're just combining #3 and # 5 for a basic 6-punch combo. 7. L-Jab R-Cross L-Hook R-Overhand L-Uppercut R-Overhand: this time we're adding the overhand right. You'll have to adjust the angle on the uppercut a bit, unless you've got one of those nifty donut attachments for your heavy bag. Kicking: I never cared for kicking the heavy bag much. I much prefer kicking shields, and thai pads. Duration: Start out with three 2-minute rounds with medium intensity. Allow a one minute rest in between rounds. When you get used to this, pick up the volume on the intensity, and change the rounds to 3 minutes in length. You can get super results with only 3 to 5 rounds per workout. I suggest 2 to 3 times a week for good benefits. Pros will train a minimum of 6 to 12 rounds in addition to their road work, focus mitts, shadow boxing, sparring, etc. Those combinations that I listed will give anyone plenty of material to play with. For pure cardio intensity, here's what we used to do. Get yourself some good dance music...anything with a fast beat. Now, you're going to stand square in front of the heavy bag with your forehead pressed against the bag. In time with the beat of the music, you're going to continously fire short body hooks...L-Hook L-Hook R-Hook R-Hook L-Hook L-Hook R-Hook R-Hook...into the bag. The mental side is imagining that you've got your opponent backed into the corner, and you're trying to give them the beating of their life. Visualizing your worst enemy or the kid that used to pick on you in school seems to work for me. The object is to see how far you can go. EVERY punch you throw should be full speed and power. When there's 30 seconds left in the round...you do a full out "sprint" throwing everything you've got into the bag...this time alternating each punching hand...L-Hook R-Hook L-Hook R-Hook. This is as much of a mental exercise as it is physical. Try three 3-minute rounds of this, with a 1-minute rest in-between. The idea is to generate as much mental and physical intensity as possible...so it's not something you do on a regular basis (to avoid burnout and injury). At the end of three rounds, the front of the bag should be amply covered with spit, snot, and sweat...otherwise, you held back:) This works best when you have someone to train with so that they can goad you on...cuss at you, call you a wuss, whatever...fun stuff. As always, wrap the hands and wrists, and ALWAYS wear bag gloves. The hands and wrists are easily sprained and broken on the heavy bag (especially when you're working on a 120+ lb heavy bag), so please use caution. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Reynolds, Dennis" Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 12:31:20 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Heavy Bags Neal, I've tried quite a few bags and like the Powerline Wave bags by Century. I use the 70-pound hanging model at home--it serves the purpose well! Dennis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dennis Reynolds, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Cornell University 248 Statler Hall Ithaca, NY 14853 607-255-4500 607-255-4179 (fax) dennis.reynolds@cornell.edu From: Neal Konecky Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 09:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] Dear List, Just out of curiousity, what is everyone's favorite heavy bag workout. For example, what combinations do you use, frequency of workout, duration of workout, etc. Thanks alot Neal Konecky ===== "Our government, conceived in freedom and purchased with blood, can be preserved only by constant vigilance" William Jennings Bryan ------------------------------ From: "Yarchak, Mary Kay" Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:55:38 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Throwing Knives - Thanks! Re: Throwing Knives << A good video on throwing is "Making It Stick: How to Throw Edged and Improvised Weapons for Sport and Self-Defense" with Michael Janich.>> Thanks for the recommendation, Alain! I popped over to order it from Paladin before I even finished the DD. I was especially interested to see in the write-up that he covers both blade & handle throwing. When I was a kid, my Dad taught me to throw my pocket knife by the blade but a friend later told me that you should only throw by the handle. Do you have a personal preference on this? MK ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 18:50:16 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Grand Champion Mr. Klingler writes: > If you were having a tournament, and there are different weight classes for > the black belt division. How do you determine the grand champion of that > division? Do you allow them to fight even if one is a 4th Dan and the other > is only a 1st Dan? > > Do you make only the heaviest weight class eligible for the trophy? If so, > what if the 1st Dan is 300lb and the 4th Dan is only 150lb? The 4th Dan > might feel a little cheated. Hello Mr. Klingler: After more than thirty years of hosting annual tournaments, as well as mentoring hundreds of tournament promotors, I have never had a problem using the following system. We offer three Grand Championships - Children, Ladies, and Men. Our Grand Championship is based on the total points accumulated in Dae Ryun, Hyung (empty hand and weapons are two separate divisions), Ho Shin Sool, and Kyuk Pah. The points awarded in each division are first place = 4 points and fourth place = 1 point. BTW, some other area events use only Hyung and Sparring in the same system, it works for them too. An additional single point can be earned by Sparring between the winners of the various weight divisions. Some go the extra mile to earn that extra point, others don't want to bother. In such a case, the participant who was willing to put it on the line will get the point by default (forfyt). Thus, we get an all 'round Grand Champion. Surprisingly, some of the Grand Champion winners did not even compete in ALL divisions. They may, for instance, not have competed in a particular division, but done so well in other events that their total points still made them Grand Champ. We even had winners who never gave competing for the Grand Champion trophy a thought, they simply came to enjoy the tournament. In case of a tie, we look at the numbers first to determine most "Gold". If this still does not work, we use the first Hyung they ever learned as a tie breaker (show of hands unless more than two participants), if there is still a tie, we have even had them do the Hyung backwards -- hillarious! If one of the competitors did not know a Hyung, we had them do a Kihap contest -- also hillarious! The main focus of our tournament is to have a good time, foster friendship, and increase skills. You'll be pleasantly surprised to see the level of competition rise above that of many tournaments where winning is everything. Such competitions often are shunned by some of the best martial artists. I guess the main thing is to let participants clearly understand the rules BEFORE the games begin. That way, they can make an educated choice. It would not do to have a participant feel s/he has been cheated because s/he did not know how the point system worked. I strongly suggest that, at your rules meetings, you clearly indicate that your tournament is one of mutual respect and brotherhood, fairness, fun, and that you WILL NOT tolerate ANY problem participants or judges (and stick to your guns fairly and consistently). As the host, it is YOUR job to move about to ensure that EVERY ring is run according to your wishes. You do not want to be surprised by complaints at the end of the event. In the end, those who don't play by your rules will no longer come -- and that's just fine. You will end up having an annual event that people will love to participate in. To prepare for fair judging, it is not enough that you ASK judges to do so. Many competitors and spectators complain about the quality of judging, but few implement a solid program that ensures their own Black Belts know HOW to judge. Become a part of the solution, and TEACH your Black Belts how to do the job so you (and they) won't be part of the problem instead. Suggestion. After the competition, host a friendly get together where participants can sit down (or dance) and get to know one another. Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: Kevin Janisse Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: RE: tournament help... grand champion >>Do you make only the heaviest weight class eligible for the trophy? If so, what if the 1st Dan is 300lb and the 4th Dan is only 150lb? The 4th Dan might feel a little cheated. << JK, I have always been accustomed to having a single "Grand Champion" based on points total. If there are different weight divisions (sparring) then each compeditor would have a total points score, from Forms - Self Defense - Sparring - Weapons. From this total you can pick an overall grand champion. I have recieved this award in several tournamants and seldom had to fight a 250 lb opponent, which is good considering I weight 150 lbs. If there is a tie between compeditors in different divisions, you could then either have a tie breaker using any of the previous listed catagories. I recommend a Grand Champion award based on overall skill and not just sparring. Regards, Kevin M. Janisse 4th Dahn NKMAA/KSBHKD _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ From: Bernard G Redfield Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 18:34:06 -0400 Subject: RE: Subject: the_dojang: tournament help... grand champion Hi, In my experience the adult blackbelt div. champs all square off, light ,med, heavy, senior, sometimes I see masters included usually they have there own div. and the junior blackbelts have their own ,lt,mid, hvy. just me Bernard ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 16:36:37 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #324 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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