From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #332 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 10 June 2001 Vol 08 : Num 332 In this issue: the_dojang: Hapkido History the_dojang: Congratulations the_dojang: Aggression the_dojang: Kuk Sool the_dojang: Congrats the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mtomlins@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 14:02:41 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido History I have to agree with Ray on this one,, I think the one thing that all of these Hapkido Historians leave out is how their personal recollection of the facts seems to enhance the pocket on the backside of their trousers. Never met Choi, never met Takeda, I have met GM Ji over and over and after feeling his techniques and finding that he doesn't care what I think of him one way or the other then I'll take his word for it when it comes to the historical end. In my opinion he has the best techniques when he applies them on you and he is second to know one. Michael Tomlinson ******************************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager at administrator@volusia.k12.fl.us. ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 13:48:52 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Congratulations I would like to congratulate my instructor on becoming the newest ITF 7th Dan Master, Master Ron Maestas. Master Maestas tested today along with 13 other people for various degrees of black belt at USTF headquarters in Broomfield, Colorado. Two of my fellow instructors, Mr. Robert Pettijohn and Mr. Kent Krudwig tested for 4th Dan. Our fellow student, Ms. Clare Long tested for 3rd Dan. Everyone did a great job. Taekwon, Robert Martin A-4-336 ITF/USTF ------------------------------ From: Andrew R Breton Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 10:56:24 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Aggression > Human Aggression: > Hey, is everyone on vacation? I have had six private emails giving me > editorial help on my article on human aggression, (thank you all > very much), > but we have seen zero commentary on the subject here on the digest. > Regards, > Tuhon Bill McGrath > Visit the PTI web site at: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/index.html Hi Tuhon, I'll take it on, but perhaps in a different direction. As a psychologist, I would also be interested in the perspective of the person who would potentially be aggressive towards me. I'm thinking of the mind set - maybe from a perspective like a profiler (as in John Douglas's book you mentioned), rather than a crime scene investigator who re-creates the aggressors strategy. (Okay, that was a loose analogy, but it gets better). See if the following fits into your theory: (Caveats: Realize I'm only describing these briefly and thinking as I write. Also, I'm using the male pronoun to keep things simple, and I mention racism not to express an opinion on it - I'm against - but because it does exist and it is a cause of aggression). EMOTIVE OR SYMBOLIC AGGRESSION This is the one I'm most familiar with. Early in my career, I spent a number of years working in a State mental hospital (working - that's the optimum word here). Although there was other types of violence, a large portion was violence that was letting steam off (mostly at being confined or having to follow certain rules). If it was directed at me, it was directed at me as a symbol of something (in this case, of the forces that kept them locked in or required rules to be obeyed). The violence is usually a short duration or a 'one shot' kind of thing. It's almost as if the mind of the person committing the violence was totally taken with the act of hitting, for example, and not the target. When that hit was blocked or missed, it looked almost as if the mind of the person had to re-group from that high emotion. Some of the knife fights I've been in have been this way. TARGETTED AGGRESSION This is the opposite of the above. This is the guy who plans it out, who wants you personally. It's simply hating someone, and planning how to hurt them. To be honest, on a physical level, I think this happens less than people think. I don't think I have too many people actively hating me, and if there are some that would, for example, be glad to see me fired at work and take my position, they wouldn't necessarily plan bodily harm. But then, there are some professions where that might actually be the case. There were some patients at the state hosptial, for example, for whom violence was part of a plan to escape and that violence would be towards one specific individual because of where he was at the time. Stuff does happen to ordinary people. There's a reason why cops trying to find out "whodunit" look to the seedier motivations (e.g. lust, money, and drugs) first. OPPORTUNISTIC AGGRESSION This is the guy who takes advantage of someone who's weaker, who's drunk, who's outside his or her 'element', who's alone, etc. The type of person who is aggressive in this manner does it because they think they can do it and get away with it (both in terms of the law and without being harmed themselves). DOMINANCE DISPLAY AGGRESSION This may be the classic human version of Ram's butting heads. In part, it's to get a place in the 'tribe', in part it's to impress women (even if they are not actually present). The traditional end to this is a subservience display. I think part of the increase in this type of aggression we see nowadays is because our 'tribes' are less defined. One thinks "why should I cowtow to this guy". Think how many times you think that a day outside the context of physical violence (hey, just when driving to work). I also believe, however, that there are those people who need a subservience display from others (rather than just avoiding subservience displays - or lack of dominance - themselves). That may play into the person who gets off on control and watching others suffer. TRASH TALKING AGGRESSION This is more evident in some cultures than others, but I think its present in all cultures (the way we 'trash talk' may be different). The situation that comes to mind is the one where the person wants to get the last word in as he's turning away. You will see a physical turning and walking slightky away from the person. It's sort of the opposite of direct confrontation. It doesn't necessarily lead to aggression, but I think in a number of situations it can. This is the optimum time for someone to egg the trash talker on, or for the trashtalker to realize he can't win the 'war of words' and ups the ante to violence. The actual behavior of trash talking is only one example. I think the employee who gets fired and comes back with a gun is another. He has lost the war on the job front, and so he ups the ante with violence. In his perception, he lost a tash talking match. PROTECTIVE AGGRESSION No, this is not the "good guy martial artist" type who only uses his superior skills (and then only very reluctantly) when his country and family are in danger. Rather, this is the person who thinks he is defending something or someone. The guy who gets in a fight in a bar over the treatment of a woman he doesn't even know (the guy who stands up to the guy who's being obnoxious towards a woman) may be a better example. But it's not necessarily only morally upright motives. I think a some racism and territoriality can be other examples of this sort of aggression - the person thinks they are protecting something important to them. ENTITLED AGGRESSION This is the guy who believes that because a line has been crossed, he is entitled to use aggression to get what he wants. This may be one of the hardest to deal with, because that belief will likely be very difficult to change, and the targetting may be indescriminately related to the real trigger. A guy's wife just left him and he got fired today, and you just happened to change into the lane he wanted use. There are probably other elements in here; the one that comes to mind most is whether one is alone or with a group of people. As far as controlled aggression for the martial artist, I think it behooves any martial artist to ponder human aggression, to study it and to understand it. Each of the type of aggression above may warrant a different strategy. In terms of control, I think we may each have times when we had aggressive (though not necessarily physically violent) thoughts along the lines above. Some of these thoughts may be morally justified, some may be useful. Understanding them in ourselves helps with the "controlled" part of controlled human aggression. I hope this gets the conversation going a bit. Andy Breton ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 02:52:16 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Kuk Sool Richard writes: > With TangSooDo and KukSoolWon both having Chinese roots are there any major > similarities that they share or are they as different as Karate and Jujutsu? Hello Richard: Kuk Sool and Tang Soo Do are about as different as you can get, and I'm willing to bet that the highest authorities on Kuk Sool will dispute the Chinese roots. Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 8:24:29 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Congrats > I would like to congratulate my instructor on becoming the newest ITF 7th > Dan Master, Master Ron Maestas. Master Maestas tested today along with 13 > other people for various degrees of black belt at USTF headquarters... Do you know what, or about what, his new ITF number A-7 will be? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 8:25:24 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #332 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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