From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #335 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 12 June 2001 Vol 08 : Num 335 In this issue: the_dojang: Kuk Sool Won the_dojang: Korean Yudo & Hapkido Assn the_dojang: Kuk Sool the_dojang: RE: Kuk Sool and Chinese Arts the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #334 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:58:09 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Kuk Sool Won Dear Steve: ".... By this I mean ideas of circular motion and the "softer" elements of martial art theory. However, in terms of direct roots and techniques, analysis of Kuk Sool techniques will show fundamental differences to Chinese martial arts and very little that resembles what most think of as Chinese Martial Arts...." Thanks for your post clarifying the point regarding Kuk Sool as it relates to the Chinese arts. My understanding is that GM Seo was exposed to Chuan Fa earlier in his training career. Is it possible to know what style(s) of Chinese Arts were most fertile in providing material to the development of Kuk Sool Won? In a more general way, is it possible to know which methods of Chinese grappling or boxing have been the greatest influence in the development of Korean martial traditions in general? Thanks in advance for your time and attention. best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "bryce burrows" Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:31:07 +1200 Subject: the_dojang: Korean Yudo & Hapkido Assn hi our organisation (www.hapkido.co.nz) received the following unsolicited email this week has anyone else received one too? messge follows: == It is wonderful website anbd its my honor to be your Guest. We would love your SEnsei or Master to contact us as we want to have a representative of our assn. in your country. Please contact us for more information. 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We'd love to have you come aboard please get back to me friend. Bless you . Yours in Bushido, Grandmaster Stern(Soke) == Regards Bryce ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:38:26 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Kuk Sool Master Seo writes: > Having been exposed to Kuk Sool, Hapkido, as > well as numerous other martial arts all my life, I > think I can speak intelligently on the matter of Kuk > Sool "roots." It is inaccurate to claim that Kuk Sool > has a Chinese root. As I said Richard, this supports my previous statement on this. With the name of the art "National (Korean) Martial Art", it is highly unlikely that any Kuk Sool authorities would accept your claim that it has Chinese roots. From conversations with GM Suh, I understand that his purpose in founding Kuk Sool Won was to preserve Korean martial arts. With such a mandate, it is unthinkable that GM Suh would have its roots as Chinese. Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: "Master Frank Clay" Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:19:06 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Kuk Sool and Chinese Arts <<>> Having first studied Chinese martial arts before moving to Korean Arts, and practicing Shimkido which is a form of Bulmudo, I can say that I strongly disagree with this post. First of all, not all Chinese arts are what one would consider "softer" two good examples would be Hun Gar (Southern Shaolin) and Wing Chun (Ving Tsun). While both of them do share some softer components, as does any complete martial art, they are typically quite hard, Hun Gar more so than Wing Chun. Considering the gamut that Chinese martial arts actually run, its quite conceivable that many of the arts that we practice have "Chinese Roots" but do not look as though they do. I can't help what In Hyuk Suh or In Sun Seo indicates about Korean arts; however, and this is not meant to inflame anyone, I think that we ALL have had enough exposure to half truths and slanted history to take anything that one particular master claims with a good deal of salt. Just my two cents though. Frank Clay www.jungdokwan.net ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:49:22 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #334 <> << One of mine (ADHD) sat down in the middle of center field, and rooted for the other team, because he was mad at the coach for refusing to put him on second. It was the last time he played team sports. >> <> Oh man. Did my mother right that? My younger brother was diagnosed as having ADHD at the age of 6. He actually did exactly what is mentioned above. The following statement should have been more carefully worded: "Karate is [emphasis added] a miraculous natural intervention for either ADD or ADHD. It develops attentional focus, self esteem, self control, self discipline...SELF!" Karate CAN be a means of improving self-control, if the child enjoys and feels empowered by the activity. It cannot aid in the development of "attentional focus" because that factor is chemically defined in an ADD/ADHD child. If the author means "focus" as in direction, then yes, that can happen. Low self-esteem is NOT always associated with ADD or ADHD. Low self-esteem is an emotional problem and is not necessarily a component ADD or ADHD. Finding any activity that a child enjoys, excels in and takes pride in doing can help to build good self-esteem. Kinesthetic learners are much more likely to benefit from physical activities such as karate, gymnastic etc. However, I believe karate to be a mutual hemisphere activity, utilizing both an artistic element (like dance-right brain activity) and a logical element (like science-left brain activity), so the possibility that many different types of learners can excel in the martial arts is present. Unfortunately, karate did NOT work for my brother. I won't allow him to quit, but it did not have as positive of an effect as I have witnessed in other ADD/ADHD children. He prefers to play instruments and that is fine with me. I am just as proud of him for doing that. - -Another 2 cents Cheree ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 9:22:39 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #335 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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