From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #339 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 13 June 2001 Vol 08 : Num 339 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Definition of a Black Belt the_dojang: What is a black belt the_dojang: RE: ADD/ADHD Kids the_dojang: Chinese Roots the_dojang: Your art is from where? Re: the_dojang: Chinese Roots the_dojang: Happy B-Day to us the_dojang: Influence vs Roots the_dojang: RE: BLACK BELT the_dojang: Korean vs. Chinese the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:28:36 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Definition of a Black Belt Hmmmmm...assuming we're talking about 1st Dan level. My definition: Black Belt = Experienced Beginner _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:40:26 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: What is a black belt Black belt, as I teach and preach it, is understanding and being able to accomplish basic motion. After 34 years of teaching I am still waiting for the promotion that includes the red cape and boots.....J. R. West www.hapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:48:39 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: ADD/ADHD Kids ".....The main Problem I see is everyone is lumping ADD and ADHD together. They are two distintly different conditions and should be treated as such. My son and I both have ADD and Martial Arts has helped both of us tremendously. We both have problems maintaining concentration and focus and TKD has helped that quite a bit. However ADHD adds the problem of Hyperactivity to the Attention Defecit disorder which makes it even harder for a person to maintain concentration....." Since my work is with a very different psych population I may be off base by commenting on this subject. I think, however, that it is important not only to keep a very clear line between not only ADD and ADHD, but also between both of these conditions and normative juvenile hyper-activity. There is a growing body of evidence that the therapeutic community has been more than a little quick to slap an ADD/ADHD label on a child and medicate accordingly (ie. Ritalin) where the childs' behavior has not been shown to anything more than the high end of "youthful exuberance". Apparently this is showing up most commonly where children are being pressed at ever earlier ages into academic and para-academic environments. Rather than believe that little Rodney is just a normal vivacious 4 y/o, mom and teach decide that Rodney gets meds to encourage better compliance with the teachers' routine. Good for teach; bad for Rodney. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: mtomlins@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:02:53 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Chinese Roots In reality I would say that practically every martial art has Chinese roots. China was practicing martial arts for 100's of years before Korea, and Korea was practicing martial arts for 100's of years before Japan!! The Hwarang warriors were around for over 500 years before there was ever a mention of the word Samurai. Put it in chronological order and it makes more sense,, the group that I think had a major influence on the Chinese martial arts were the Mongolians,, but we never talk about them now do we. Also, I love all the Asian martial arts, but don't ever forget that we Americans with good ole boxing and wrestling have been all over the globe and dished out some serious wup ass on everybody!!!! Michael Tomlinson ******************************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager at administrator@volusia.k12.fl.us. ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ From: Lorne Keatley Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:10:34 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Your art is from where? Hi all, I think that the question of which art comes from where is almost impossible to answer. Over the centuries the "big three", Korea, China, Japan have been allies, been ruler/ruled, and been mortal enemies. Inevitably with all this interaction influence was moving in all directions, so no art will be just 'Korean', 'Japanese' or 'Chinese.' This is also compounded by the fact that there were no nation-states until modern times. This means the land was not ruled by a single sovereign government, but by feudal obligations between kings, lords, warlords, bandit kings, emperors and all other types of grand poobah. The common working man got the short end of the stick, as usual, and had to move to where the oppurtunities were. So basically what I am saying was there probably was a single pool of knowledge from which people in certain areas chose the techniques that worked best for them and refined them. Evolution and 'stealing' techniques from enemies and friends alike gave rise to the styles that have a national identity. Tang Soo Do had techniques from Okinawa moved to Japan, then to Korea. Hap Ki Do was from Daito-ryu from Japan where different stories say it is from Chinese chin-na or Korean Yu Sool. After centuries of movement, it would impossible to tell which was from where. Besides, I seen on TV once where all martial arts came from an Indian monk named Bodhidharma so that must be the ultimate truth. : ) Going to get an asbestos suit on, Lorne Keatley ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:14:38 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Chinese Roots > In reality I would say that practically every martial art has Chinese roots. Or India. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:23:49 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Happy B-Day to us Happy Birthday to us! The_Dojang is now 7 years old. Thanks for helping to make this the very best Korean martial arts list ever! Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "hackworth" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:48:06 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Influence vs Roots If the words "Chinese Influence" are softer on Korean ears than the words "Chinese Roots" I'll use Influence. Richard Hackworth www.nationalhapkido.net ------------------------------ From: "ISA CONSULTATION GROUP" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:29:51 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: BLACK BELT From: "phil" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:49:31 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Black Belt Just out of curiosity, I would like to hear peoples impressions. Definition of a Black Belt ? Besides the obvious, 2' wide fabric in various lengths died black. Phil>>>>>>>> I have a web page that gives my view on the subject at: http://www.dreamwater.com/sport/sungjado/THEBLACKBELT.html George Petrotta http://taekwondo.4dw.com http://hapkido.4dw.com http://gpetrott.webjump.com ISA CONSULTATION GROUP includes ISA Martial Arts, ISA Web Design and ISA Consulting Services! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: YMCATKD@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:45:56 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Korean vs. Chinese Hello all, What makes Karate Okinawian or Japanese even? Karate origined in China than came to Okinawa than moved on to Japan. Each one of these countries added their own flavor to it. This I think is a function of the mindset of each culture combined with their body style. The Chinese and Okinawians are built thinner than the Japanese and thus they kicked more than the Japanese for example. Over a long history what we call Korea was not Korea. What was old Korea changed hands back and forth with the Chinese in the north. Parts of present day Manchuria were at times Korea and sometimes in the past, parts of North Korea were included in Northern China. Korea and China's histories are connected. I would expect to see similarities between the styles. Aren't most of the old Korean documents even written in Chinese and not Korean? Don't the northern Chinese and Korean names share many of the same last names? There is no disgrace in a country's martial art having influence from another country's martial arts. I have read a few times that Korean swords were ahead of the Japanese and probably influenced the Japanese swords design during the age of the samarai. If its true, the Japanese did not sit debating if its Japanese or Korean. They just moved forward and made many Japanese swords and styles that were different than Korea. Why do we get hot and bother over these things? What's important is what we do with ourselves. I can careless if my martial art was influenced by aliens! The question is, is my style good? Am I training hard? Am I learning? Respectfully, Andy Bouloutian ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:26:47 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #339 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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