From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #345 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 17 June 2001 Vol 08 : Num 345 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Blackbelt the_dojang: Zulu martial arts Re: the_dojang: Zulu martial arts the_dojang: Overcoming Fear of Sparring the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #338 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:58:12 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Blackbelt In the July 2001 issue of Blackbelt (the 40th Anniversary Collector's Edition) there is a short article by Bob Orlando, "Blackbelt: What Is It and What Does It Represent?" Thought it might be of interest since the list was discussing this very thing. (Sorry if someone already mentioned this, I'm playing catch up) Bob is a fellow Paladin author as well as authoring "Martial Arts America: A Western Approach to Eastern Arts" through a different publisher. (A good read by the way) Interesting article with his view of the meaning and what it's perceived to be by others. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese http://members.aol.com/aburrese/ ------------------------------ From: Wmakarate@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:03:31 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Zulu martial arts The parent of two of our young students studied Goju ryu in South Africa before moving to the USA. In conversation this morning he told me that the Zulu tribesmen of Africa learn to fight as young boys with two sticks that sound much like escrima sticks. Is anyone familiar with this art, and if so can you enlighten me as to what it's called and any other info about it? Thanks! Mike Anderson Goshin Karate & Judo Academy/Goshin Retention Products 6245 E Bell Rd #120 Scottsdale, AZ 85254 Phone 480 -951-2236 fax 602-971-9788 www.goshinproducts.com email goshinproducts@aol.com - ask for your email catalog! ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:13:59 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Zulu martial arts > The parent of two of our young students studied Goju ryu in South Africa > before moving to the USA. In conversation this morning he told me that the > Zulu tribesmen of Africa learn to fight as young boys with two sticks that > sound much like escrima sticks. > > Is anyone familiar with this art, and if so can you enlighten me as to what > it's called and any other info about it? Not sure what the art is called, but here are a couple of snips from the Eskrima Digest. There is also training with the Zulu Assagai which, I believe, is a short stabbing spear. - --- I have a South African friend who learned Zulu stick-fighting and he told me their mass-combat techniques weren't that different from the one-on-one techniques. The differences he mentioned included the following. They fight with a shield in one hand and a stick in the other in mass combat but I don't think they use the shield as much in one-on-one work. Another key difference in mass combat was the synchronization of hitting and stepping so that the lead line is never segarated. The pace was always forward-oriented in mass combat as the idea was to hit the front line of enemies quickly and then overrun them. The guys who had been hit and gone down (or tripped, etc.) would then be finished off by the second and third line of warriors. An interesting side-note about armed societies as peaceful ones: apparently almost all male Zulus carry sticks with them--if you don't it's an open challenge to all who see you for to do so is to brag that you are so good that you don't need a stick to defeat anyone. - --- GM Abner Pasa's country rep. in South Africa has trained with the Zulu and other native fighting arts, and when we have sparred in the past, has often included some very interesting variations into the mix. One particular favorite of his is a technique which comes from the weapon that is a stick with a ball (rock, chunk of wood, etc.) on the end of it, I can't remember what it is called. He has a disconcerting habit of coming directly over the top when in close and the ball will hit the back of the head. He has his sheild side towards me (left side), so the weapon hand is actually well behind his own head. Since he is taller than I am by several inches, this is impossible to block in any normal fashion. Requires some agressive footwork to get away/avoid. - --- Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Prince Loeffler" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:20:15 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Overcoming Fear of Sparring I understand that as we progressed towards the Black belts and advance ranks, we have learned to embrace and recognized fear. Can anyone in this list remembers how they overcome the fear of sparring ?. How would Instructors help or teach adult and children alike to overcome their fear of sparring for the first time ? Thank you all in Advance ! P. Loeffler ------------------------------ From: Neal Konecky Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #338 From: "phil" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:49:31 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Black Belt Just out of curiosity, I would like to hear peoples impressions. Definition of a Black Belt ? Besides the obvious, 2' wide fabric in various lengths died black. Phil Phil The answer really depends on your definition of BB. Are we speaking of 1st dan, 8th Dan or something in the middle. For purposes of concealling my vast ignorance, I will limit my thoughts to 1st Dan. To me, getting my 1st dan was a public recognition by my Sabum of the hard work that I put in over many years. I harbor no illusions of my prowess and realize just how much more there is to learn. Being a BB means that I am no longer a beginner. I am still a student and will be to the day that I die. Simply reaching BB gives me a new appreciation for MA, and more importantly the sacrifices of my instructors. On the other hand, most non MA people I meet, think every BB is Bruce Lee. It is great fun to see the confusion on their faces when I tell them that I know nothing. Neal Konecky ===== "Our government, conceived in freedom and purchased with blood, can be preserved only by constant vigilance" William Jennings Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 6:17:30 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #345 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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