From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #370 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 1 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 370 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Thinking too much the_dojang: Combative arts the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #369 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #369 the_dojang: Thinking too much the_dojang: thinking too much the_dojang: Re: Form Work the_dojang: Re: Testing Procedures the_dojang: Re: Grandmother's Day the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: foxdragon@cuttingedge.net Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 10:41:00 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Thinking too much > > From: "Dizzy S." > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 22:36:26 -0400 > Subject: the_dojang: thinking too much > > Hiya all. > > I need help on something. I just learned my new form (Pyung ahn e dan) three > weeks ago. I still have trouble with it. A friend of mine (that helps me > sometimes after class) said I "think" too much when I do the form or tech > and I screw it up. She said to not "think" about it as much. "snip" It's true. Thinking does screw it up. In order to flow, you must relax. You know the moves now so work on the flow. My instructor told me once to go by a river and sit there and watch the water. Don't move, don't even blink...just watch the water. Soon, you feel, that perhaps it is you that is moving and not the water. That is how the flow is supposed to be. Constantly moving, no choppiness or hesitation. Perhaps meditate and relax before you practice. Donna ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 00:42:41 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Combative arts Dakin writes: > The problem with this is that > when teaching combatives as KM does, you have to limit your clientele. > You can do this by only teaching the police or military, or you > can limit it by being VERY selective of the students you teach. Hi Dakin. Most combative art schools I have seen DO have limited clientele. It is the same with schools that are a bit tougher on handing out belts (or are otherwise a bit more selective on promoting and enrollment). It seems to be a self-limiting situation. What scares me a bit is to hear that this sort of thing (KM) is being taught to Police. IMHO, the adrenilin pumping action of such arts may limit the ability to of an officer to think before he jumps into action. The very idea of combative arts is rapid fire reaction with mega force. Looking at some of today's actual police shows, you see our finest jump all over someone who is already in a prone position. Is there a real need for five or more guys to pile up on someone, or is this adrenilin taking over from sanity. I wonder the same thing about having a dozen cruisers getting in each other's way when following one vehicle?????? It seems to me that a few cars with radio contact may suffice and lessen the dangers of accidents. Before all our Leo's jump all over me on this, I have (for many years) taught all levels of law enforcement officers (as a community service, free of charge). I have even designed a curriculum for a law enforcement program in this area. I am very supportive of Leos, but after reading this post I just wonder if the shift from bone crushing to PPCT is going back to the original ideas of law enforcement? Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: "Juleen Wheeler" Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:01:55 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #369 Dan. I think I have the closest Kuk Sool School provo, I'm in Mountain Home Idaho, about 5 hours away. I do come that way from time to time, and would love to work out with you. I plan to move back to Utah in about a year, and plan to open a school in Utah Maybe you should think about opening a school where there in Prove and spread the good news of Kuk Sool. Thanks Jo Kyo Dave > From: "Daremo and Kitsune" > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 23:51:08 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: UTAH > > Dan, > > I don't know any Kuk Sool dojangs in Utah but you might want to check out > American Championship TKD in Orem on State St. Try to talk to Teresa Schmidt. > > Rob > > > >From: Dan Post > >Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 08:37:46 -0700 (PDT) > >Subject: the_dojang: Kuk Sool in Utah? > > > >Hey, guys, I've had fun reading your posts... Nice to > >hear you. > > > >I'm a 1st Dan in Kuk Sool Won, and I am going to go to > >school (college) in Provo, UT this fall. > >Unfortunately, there are no Kuk Sool schools there. > >Does anyone here practice Kuk Sool and live in that > >general area? (Yeah, I know it's a long shot.... but > >I have to try!) ------------------------------ From: FGS & KVF Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 10:57:21 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #369 > From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" > Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 09:43:53 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #368 > > Hi "Spunky" (real name?), What many people call me. > The problem with this is that > when teaching combatives as KM does, you have to limit your clientele. > You can do this by only teaching the police or military, or you > can limit it by being VERY selective of the students you teach. The idea > behind these systems is that you can't take chances with any opponent > because you don't know what they're capable of or exactly what weapons > they have. That means you have to avoid fights like the plague, because > once you get into one, you know your reflexes are going to lead you to > eliminate that opponent. Too many people get convinced by the movies > that once they know this stuff they should go out and pick bar fights. > That is a hard thing to get out of their heads, and frankly, a combative > system like Krav Maga will attract more than its fair share of psychotics. I hadn't thot of this angle, but yes,it is possible that KM or other combative systems might attract students interested in using the skills for the wrong reasons. I would have to admit that the 4 days I spent at the KM center were not enuff for me to say that no one training there was interested in instigating bar brawls. However, the short contact I had with the students there and the seminar participants gave me a good feeling. The students there were receptive to tips or advice on technique and also gave them freely to all seeming to need help or a slight technique adjustment. Many of the students I came in contact with were formally trained in the MA or had spent some time in training at traditional MA. The instructors do seem to watch over their students and weed out the obviously aggressive ones. However, the subtle ones might be missed. All in all, I think KM could be a good addition to one's MA training or just for people who want some self-defense moves without years of training. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Damian Jones" Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 18:54:18 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: Thinking too much Dizz wrote, >Hiya all. > >I need help on something. I just learned my new form (Pyung ahn e dan) three >weeks ago. I still have trouble with it. A friend of mine (that helps me >sometimes after class) said I "think" too much when I do the form or tech >and I screw it up. She said to not "think" about it as much. Just do it. She >also said that it's the first form in the TSD series with kicks and >"reverse" blocks in it, and that could be throwing me off. The first four >were easy to learn .... for me anyways, but this one is a toughy (and it >only gets harder .... eeeekkkk lol). > >How can I change the "thinking too much" to just "doing"? Any advice will >be most helpful. Thanks in advance. > >Tang Soo! >Dizz >6th gup TSD I know exactly what you mean about "thinking too much", although my backround is TKD. When learning a new pattern I tend to have to stop and think what move comes next. This "thinking time" decreases as I get to know the pattern more. There does come a time when you can do the pattern without thinking. I can do the earlier patterns "without thinking" although I'm not yet there with Koryo and Keumgang :-) Keep training and try not to force it, when it happens you will know. I think that doing a pattern "without thinking" is one of the reasons we do poomse (although I am no expert :-) sort of like moving meditation, I would be interested to hear other peoples views on the practice of poomse. Damian Jones _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:55:10 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: thinking too much Hi Dizz <> I love that form! When I first learned it (in 1977) I couldn't quit thinking about it. I'd start going through the moves at the dinner table, in the shower, everywhere/anywhere. In that form you finally are able to get into multiple moves that more resemble flowing fighting combinations. This may be were you are having problems. The deal is: to quit "thinking too much" about it, just takes practice. You do need to get the moves down first. Find the points where you have difficulty when "not thinking" about them, and do those few moves over and over until they flow naturally. Then move onto the next part of the hyung that gives you trouble. You don't need to focus on the parts you know, just the small sections where you need improvement. What can help is imagine what you are doing with an opponent - see the techniques in action and feel it/live it. If I stop and think about the forms, I think I'd mess up too . I don't think about what I'm doing, I visualize and feel what I'm doing. Kind of get into an attitude and let it flow. But when first learning a new form, you have to learn the moves first - and practice every chance you get - not just in the dojang. Unfortunately, there is no shortcut. Hope this helps. Feel free to contact me directly anytime. Tang Soo! Mac Dennis P. McHenry Houston, Texas USA E-Mail: D.McHenry@ev1.net http://users.ev1.net/~D.McHenry/TangSooDo ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:02:38 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Form Work In a message dated 7/1/2001 8:34:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << How can I change the "thinking too much" to just "doing"? Any advice will be most helpful. Thanks in advance. >> Try doing it blindfolded ... feel yourself doing it instead of watching yourself doing it. Do it with only hand movements a few times without the kicks in it ... then do it with only stances and no hand or kicks ... just walk thru it ... then do it with stances and kicks in it ... don't worry about the hands ... Break it into sections ... only work section one till you can do it without hesitation ... then go to number 2 section and do it till you can do it without hesitation ... then put 1 and 2 together and do it till you can do it without hesitation ... etc. We break most of our forms up into 5 sections and work them this way for the "thinkers". :-) Have fun ! I love forms ! Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 15:59:09 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Testing Procedures In a message dated 7/1/2001 8:34:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << My computer keeps track of these prerequisites, and I print out an "eligibility list" in advance. As you both have noted, students make every effort to rectify their attendance and dues are paid on a much more consistend basis. Thanks to the computer, this is now a simple job. >> Rudy, Sounds like a great program ! Haven't ever run across a program for dojo's/dojang's that I like yet ... and aren't priced out of the ballpark for me. Do you print these eligibility lists out with all the prerequisites that have been met and then hand them to the students or is that for your own personal reference ? I am thinking of doing what you are doing ... holding a couple of pre--tests for them and then handing them a sheet on what they need to work on. Sounds like a very good idea. My only problem is that I am the only teacher here ... with a load of kids as helpers. I don't have any adult helpers/assistants except for my one black belt lady ... but she was given a promotion at work and now she is a big "if" in our school. She is on 24 hour call and she may have to leave in the middle of what she is doing here ( and has done so ) ... or she just might not show up for a class she was supposed to teach ... the other job being more important to her. So I have put her basically on the back burner and if she is around I utilize her in a position that I can switch over to me on a seconds notice and so on, if you get my drift. I hate it ... but it is all I can do now. So what I am looking for is a way to pre-test everyone ... and hand them a report on what they need to work on ... but not do it by scheduling it for a special day all the time ... something to do in the classroom. So I am revamping (going over) my schedule and trying to make the classes smaller ... more workable for me and for my students ... so that can be done. Hopefully by the fall I will have such a schedule in effect. Because I really like your idea ! Thanks ! Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:07:06 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Grandmother's Day In a message dated 7/1/2001 8:34:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Maybe 100 might be a touch old, but I would have invited the old gal to the testing, sat her at the table and made her honarary chief judge for that testing. My mother turns 91 this year. I had her as a special guest judge at a testing last year and she had a blast. Of course, she can still whip my butt two falls out of three.... >> Sounds great ... and an idea for the future ... but that day for her had been planned months in advance by the family ... who flew in from all corners of the country to be there for "her" day. Illona ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 14:17:57 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #370 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.