From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #390 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 9 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 390 In this issue: the_dojang: GM's the_dojang: Re: Steppin' out the_dojang: Re: Puppy Stuff the_dojang: Re: Do ju (nim) stuff the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #385 the_dojang: Re: LaoTsu and Prison guards the_dojang: Textbooks the_dojang: dirty little secrets the_dojang: Hapkido Rules! the_dojang: GM H. U. Lee the_dojang: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #389 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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I know of GMs Choi and Rhee, but who are the rest?) 2001- Chief Master Soon Ho Lee tested for 9th degree, passed and was made the 2nd GM of the ATA - ------------------------------------------------------ GM Won Guk Lee - founder of Chung Do Kwan Tang Soo Do - Later CDK Tae Kwon Do GM Bong Soo Han - head of a HKD organization and famous stuntman in Billy Jack GM Jae C. Shin founder of the World Tang Soo Do Association and Chuck Norris' instructor Hope that helps, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:13:36 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Steppin' out Dear Jose: "...I have heard that > the punch is actually more powerful if it focusses on its target just > slightly, fractions of a second, after the step has completed and the front foot has settled..." This is another good reason such things as MA cannot be learned out of a book. Though the use of a weapon and the completion of a stance shift are for all intents and purposes simultaneous, the actual application of the weapon (fist, stick, sword) occurs just an instant after completion of the step. Early training usually allows the breathing, stepping and striking to occur at the same time. However, with practice one should be able to establish a firm foundation an instant before making contact with the target to get the applification you mentioned. Good Call, Bruce > ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:17:39 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Puppy Stuff Dear Bernard: "....my wife is thinking of a chinese name to go with his breed, but we are open to sugestions...." OK. How about "Tao Jones" Say "good night," Bruce. "Good night, Bruce". ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:25:03 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Do ju (nim) stuff Dear Michael: "...The title Doju comes from the Japanese Doshu it in general means Head of System...." Thanks very much. Thats about the best explanation that I have gotten.It also makes a lot of sense in light of the manner in which the title has been used. Thanks again, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:06:28 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #385 Rudy wrote: > IMHO, eleven year olds need to be very careful about breaking. Their bones > have not fully developed yet, and the impact can cause trauma that may last > a lifetime. Let me second Rudy on this one. Breaking is not important to building fighting skill, except perhaps as a confidence booster, and that use should certainly be secondary to building better health. I tend to tell kids under 17 that they should only break one board per year, and only with supervision. When I ran my kids' classes, we tended to do the breaks at a yearly demo. Another digest contributor wrote: > It's a known fact that the Japanese martial arts had a strong > influence on the early days of Taekwondo; nobody's tried to hide it. I hope everyone realizes that times change, a LOT! Back in 1990 when I put out my first TKD history, I got an incredible pile of hate e-mail from people when I said that very thing. By about 1994, most of that furor had died down and most people started agreeing. It was not that people didn't know about the Japanese origin before I published the article on the internet (before the days of the Web!), but rather that people didn't talk about it, largely (I think) because they feared that admitting a Japanese origin to the art would invalidate the art itself. As I pointed out then, a lot of the "Japanese" Karate in the U.S. (especially from the Southwest) in the 1950s and 1960s was actually derived from Korean instruction. But back then, the Japanese origin of Korean arts certainly was "a dirty little secret." Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:30:40 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: LaoTsu and Prison guards In a message dated 7/9/2001 10:26:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: Thanks to Tom for his response and to Bruce for his quite humerous response also. Points well taken. Would I understad u correctlyBruce to infer that you dont believe that in today's world another Lao Tsu is possible? I am also curious about how many people on the list are familiar with Ticht Naht Han (spelling?)/ Despite the good points ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 9:06:36 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Textbooks Seoul to Freeze Ties With Tokyo Until Textbooks Are Revised July 9, 2001 The Korean government, questioning Japan's credibility as a state, has threatened to virtually freeze its relations with Tokyo by the time that it revises controversial history textbooks accused of glossing over its wartime atrocities. The Japanese government told on Monday (July 9) both Seoul and Beijing that it would order only a few minor revisions to the textbooks, saying most of the controversial passages contained no "clear mistakes." In May, Seoul asked Tokyo to make 35 revisions to eight history textbooks, which was echoed by Beijing calling for eight changes to the books. In a statement, the Japanese Education Ministry said, "Under the current textbook screening system, it is up to the authors to decide what historical facts to include in their books. Under the existing system, we cannot force inclusions of certain points." As the Seoul government views Tokyo's statement as a virtual rejection of its request, the current row will further sour relations between Japan and its neighbors. Japan explained its refusal in a meeting between its ambassador to Seoul, Terusuke Terada, and Korean Foreign Affairs-Trade Minister Han Seung-soo, noting that it can revise only two of the 35 passages that Seoul raised objections to in early May. Minister Han, expressing "deep disappointment and embarrassment," called on Japan to reconsider its decisions on the textbooks. Seoul is set to take countermeasures in a phased manner, including a delay in the opening of its cultural product markets to Japan, another ministry official said. Also under consideration are the refusal to arrange foreign ministers' talks with Japan on the sidelines of the ASEAN Regional Forum (ARF) slated for Hanoi later this month and the recall of its ambassador to Tokyo, Choi Sang-yong. Initially, Minister Han refused to accept an exchange project of scholars, sportsmen and others, noting that it would be of no use, unless the textbooks are revised. In fact, diplomatic rows between Japan and its neighboring countries over Japanese textbooks have taken place from time to time since 1982, as many textbooks have been authored to beautify Japan's wartime past and justify its wrongdoings committed against its Asian neighbors. Among the correction demands targeting the 25 controversial passages of Fuso Publishing's textbooks are accounts on the alleged existence of a Japanese colony on the peninsula during the Yamato Period (300-550), an allegation categorically dismissed by Korean scholars as groundless, and the dropping of descriptions of "comfort women," or wartime sex slaves, for Japanese soldiers. The government also made correction requests regarding 10 passages of the remaining seven textbooks, including the references based on the "hypothetical" existence of the Japanese colony and the definition of Japanese pirates as "merchants." On April 3, the Japanese government announced that all of the eight textbooks submitted for government screening had been approved for use at Japanese junior high schools beginning in April next year, touching off criticism from both Korea and China. Seoul contended that Japan undermined the spirit of the 1998 joint declaration on the Korea-Japan partnership and the 1995 statement by then-prime minister Tomiichi Murayama. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 9:17:47 PDT Subject: the_dojang: dirty little secrets > > It's a known fact that the Japanese martial arts had a strong > > influence on the early days of Taekwondo; nobody's tried to hide it. > > I hope everyone realizes that times change, a LOT! Back in 1990 when I put > out my first TKD history, I got an incredible pile of hate e-mail from > people when I said that very thing. And Dakin may recall that I was one of those sending him 'hate mail'. :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:22:26 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Rules! Dear Bernard: "....I was beginning to think Hapkido and Kuksool was all this board talked about...." We HKD/KSW practitioners have taken a vote and decided to let TKD/TSD have occasional opportunities to comment. Please keep your posts small and appropriately deferential. The salutation of choice designated for your posts is "All thanks to Hapkido whose power and glory surpasses all other arts." We also accept checks. :-) Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:49:23 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: GM H. U. Lee Ray is absolutely correct (as always) in saying that GM H. U. Lee was, in fact, a Chung Do Kwan player, and according to some information that I received from Dr. Kimm about 25 years ago, he was a student of Um Ung-kyu, who was under Lee Won-kuk. On another note, I have heard many folks refer to Dr. Kimm as "DoJu Nim", but in all my dealings with him ( I believe that the first HanMuDo meeting was held in my home in 1988 or 89 ), I have never heard him refer to himself by this title, and to my knowledge, he still prefers "Dr." Kimm. I think that the "DoJu" craze will be much like the title "Grandmaster" when it first appeared in the late 70's to define one person, and now you can't swing a dead cat without hitting two or three GMs. ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 02:01:09 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Michael writes: > Doju seems to be a word that has been utilized by martial arts instructors > to mean the same thing. Hi Michael: I often chuckle at some of the thirty year old Grand Masters we now see around. If they only knew what having that title really means. Often, having that title, simply means this. You no longer have the opportunity to train with your Grand Master because he has passed on or is otherwise unable/unwilling to teach you, and you can hear your joints creak because you are getting older than all the rest of your classmates :-) Wheather it is Doju, or any of the other names attached to the position, you can almost bet you have lived long enough to wish for some "yesterdays". Not much of a blessing this title, is it? Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:30:36 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #389 sorry about this last incoherent message I mistakenly hit the send button in mid stream. I dont think the rest was quite worth saying so I'll leave it at that. Jose' ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:50:37 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #390 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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