From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #394 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 10 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 394 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Training Lineage the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #390 the_dojang: Re: strange invitation the_dojang: Re: HU Lee and TKD history in Omaha Re: the_dojang: Re: HU Lee and TKD history in Omaha the_dojang: "Player" the_dojang: HanMuDo the_dojang: kukki TKD the_dojang: Re: Creating a traditional Korean Martial Art the_dojang: Re: Han Mu Do Doju-nim the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:16:00 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Training Lineage Jose Askes the following: <<<< Training Lineage >> Ray, where did you study with Mikio Nishiushi? I met him when he had a school in Omaha Nebraska. He taught Wado Ryu Karate and Okinawan Weapons. My brother studied at that dojo when he was a kid.>> Well first as Ray said right after this post it was me not him. :) Anyway I have never know Shian Nishiushi to teach Wado Ryu, as a matter of fact he never mentions it. He teaches Pang Gai Noon Ryu (what most of the world today calls Uechi Ryu but that is a political discussion that can be touched upon later) http://www.okinawa-budou.org/IOKA/nishiuchi_bio.html << My father, who is no longer living was a surgeon in Omaha and did Nishiushi Sensie a favor on two occasions and volunteered to be the physician at his tournament. He remembered how polite and deferential all the Okinawan Masters were, every time they would pass in front of the table where he sat they would stop and bow, despite that he had no martial arts experience. He was sort of tickled to sit there and have people constantly bowing to him all day. >> Just paying respects to a doctor they may need him later :) <> Well lets see here. I have not always lived in Omaha. As you can see in my lineage I also claim GM Yong Chin Pak of Iowa State University as a Hapkido Teacher as well. I began my Hapkido training with GM Pak. Upon returning home to the Omaha Area I searched out for a new school. I started with GM Shin since he, like GM Pak, taught Taekwondo, Judo, and Hapkido and was the USTU President of Nebraska (still is mind you). Well when I was there GM Shin would not recognize my Taekwondo training with GM Pak (even though I had Kukkiwon in hand), I felt this odd from a man who has seen me at his own tournaments year after year and even awarded my my 1st place trophy in black belt forms the year before (he was even a judge in the ring). The man may be a great teacher but this left a sour taste in my mouth. (other practices of the man as USTU Nebraska President also leave much to be desired by the very few USTU schools in the state) but that is another story. I lived in Florida for several years and was a chief instructor at the Weston Branch of the American Taekwondo & Hapkido Academy (one of Kwanjang Pellegrini's schools) I was there as Combat Hapkido (Chon-tu Kwan Hapkido) was formed. As for my continuing education I constatly have access to Great instructors and I personally train 2 hours/day I see Kwanjang Pellegrini on a REGULAR basis, I have written an introductory book on Combat Hapkido (soon to hit the shelf of books stores everywhere) It is important to note that Kwanjang Pellegrini has a Headquarters School in North Carolina where training is available (when he is not out on the weekends doing seminars) Michael Rowe Dan Il Kwan - Gym of Unity Unity Church of Omaha 3424 N 90th Street Omaha, Nebraska 68134 ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:21:53 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #390 << "....my wife is thinking of a chinese name to go with his breed, but we are open to sugestions...." >> We named our Wheaton Terrier, Sunjah. (which means 'winner') We originally wanted to name her passae (dae), but that sounds rather obscene when yelling for her in the city streets... :0 o - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: "Yarchak, Mary Kay" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:29:45 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: strange invitation Hi Anthony, I also received the e-mail invitation to the United States Martial Arts Hall of Fame & National Training Camp. I didn't pay much attention to it since it wasn't anywhere close to my neck of the woods. I have noticed that I've been getting more and more MA promotional e-mails lately: tournaments, fight tapes, seminars. Must have signed the wrong guest book. MK ------------------------------ From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:06:55 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: HU Lee and TKD history in Omaha Does anyone know what the original Kwan was from Grand Master Son Duk Sun (Duk, Son Sun - sorry, I do not have the correct spelling but the name is readily recognizable)? He is head of the WTA. In an interview with HU Lee in TKD Times, Grand Master Lee (when I trained at his school in the early seventies we were to call him just Mr. Lee) said that Sun Duk Son was one of his masters to whom he owed a lot. Having Seen Grand Master Sun demonstrate, his style seems very Shotokan like, with very powerful linear movements. The discussion of HU Lee's history reminds me of the history of Taekwondo in Omaha NE which is rather interesting as it was determined by HU Lee. GM Lee first arrived. He eventually brought two people over from Korea. One was Master Kim who split from GM Lee when the ATA was developed and is a member of the WTA which is headed by Sun Duk Sun. When GM Lee said that he was one of his original masters it made me wonder if GM Sun had been both Lee's and Kim's master and Kim remained loyal to GM Sun. That's speculation and I wonder if anyone has info re the history of the WTA. Then GM Lee brought to Omaha Suk Ki Shin who was primarily a Judo man, to teach Judo at the Omaha Karate and Judo School. I believe that GM Shin's TKD background was with the CHung Moo Kwan. Anyway, he split from GM Lee to start his own TKD, Judo and HKD school and joined the WTF. GM Shin told me that when he split from GM Lee, GM Lee was so mad that he challenged GM Shin to a fight and GM Shin declined. I don't know if any one would find this interesting but given GM Lee's eventual fame I think that the early history of Korean Martial Arts in Omaha which he had such an influence on might be interesting. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:58:55 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: HU Lee and TKD history in Omaha > Does anyone know what the original Kwan was from Grand Master Son Duk Sun > (Duk, Son Sun - sorry, I do not have the correct spelling but the name is > readily recognizable)? He is head of the WTA. Chung Do Kwan, I believe. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:40:05 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: "Player" The term "player" refers to someone who has a certain mastery of an art, or for that matter, any endeavor, and comes from an old HapKiDo friend of mine in VietNam whose ultimate compliment was " he's a real 'player' ", and anyone who knows me knows that I use the term with respect. It is very different from the term used during workouts with a JuDo guy that would always say "let's go play JuDo". ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:44:51 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: HanMuDo I seriously doubt that there is any connection between the HanMuDo in Korea in 1983 and Dr. Kimm's World HanMuDo, although Master Steve Kincade could probably explain it better. The original name of Dr. Kimm's style was to be "Yuh Kwon Sool", but was changed to HanMuDo early in it's existance....J. R. West www.hapkido.com ------------------------------ From: "rich hodder" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:58:56 Subject: the_dojang: kukki TKD Mr Hackworth, While I respect you and the things you have done to advance the Korean Martial Arts. I must by all means take exception to the the notion that Kukkiwon TKD is only a sport. I have been involved for many long years and I can tell you from that experience that only a very minicule portion of KKW TKD is sport oriented. Those of you who know me on this list can certainly testify to the fact that I am not just a sport TKD Dude. I would be glad to talk with you further, privately, about what TKD is and what it perseved to be by the "do it for the dollar"wanna be's. With respect and martial spirit, Rich _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Gassiot" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:06:54 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Creating a traditional Korean Martial Art As I remember H.U. Lee was actually born in China and moved to Korea with his family when he was young. Anyway, In one of the Songahm Books (White - Yellow don't remember which) there is a reference to the desire to create a new set of forms that emphasized more kicks, balance, and less Japanese influence. Don't exactly know what's being referred to here. Watching Karate Forms (don't know what style) they do tend to be more rigid and a bit lower in the stances. The TKD forms tend to run a bit more relaxed and not as low. SGM Lee created the Songahm forms with the help from the other Masters. Part of the goal was to have every move duplicated with each side of the body. So if there is a left sidekick, there is a right side kick. This holds true throughout all of the forms with minor exceptions thrown in to trip you up. :^) Once you reach 1st degree everything changes and you feel like you're starting all over. Regards, DREW ------------------------------ From: "EZ Lock" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:52:26 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Han Mu Do Doju-nim <> It was during Dr. Kimm's 60th birthday celebration that we were directed by Doju-nim Ji Han Jae, to address Dr. Kimm as Doju -nim. When we bow in to class we use "Doju-nim ke kyoung yet" and when speaking to others we might use Doju-nim, although most people still call him Dr. Kimm when speaking to him personally. Chris H. Han Mu Do ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:19:29 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #394 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.