From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #406 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 14 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 406 In this issue: the_dojang: Domestics the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #404 the_dojang: Re: Master Choi, Jung Hwa the_dojang: Re: Demotions the_dojang: SD List Re: the_dojang: Re: Demotions the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #405 the_dojang: Origins of Hapkido the_dojang: Hapkido = Hwarang-Do ??? the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Master Frank Clay" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:14:23 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Domestics My question is, should I mind my own business or interfere? Axxording to Richmond Police, you have a legal duty as an education professional to intervene. I would encourage you to check with your local authorities to find out about your local ordinances, or state statutes, as well as harmonizing it with your personal feelings, and conscious. I had a room mate that was murdered because I did not intervene. I swore, I would do everything I could to see that it never happened again, which is why I teach. I never thought it would happen to someone I knew, but it did. She was murdered by her then boyfriend, who is also now serving time, in our correctional system for first degree murder. Frank ------------------------------ From: Richard Zaruba Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:04:00 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #404 Memories, my fingers are still swollen from a testing I held a week ago and one one my advanced students who has never had a problem breaking tried to break the fingers on my right hand :-) It depends on the kick as to how the boards are held vertically or horizontally, it can definitely make the difference between breaking and bouncing off in a number of kicks. Master Lee is a professional musician and archery Master in Korea as well as a KSW Master by the way. ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:11:06 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Master Choi, Jung Hwa > Do you believe that it should > stay in the Choi family, or would a higher ranking member such as > Grandmaster Ree, Ki Hah have been considered? I`m just curious: were there any other candidates running for this office during the ITF congress? Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:15:59 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Demotions > The ITF has actually removed instructors who acted less than > professionally/ethically, which is one of the many reason I remain here. > They seem to take the necessary steps to protect their students. Same thing here. But there`s the other side of the coin. I don`t know about other countries, but here in Poland the ITF also expelled people for things like starting in a WTF style tournament. For example one ITF blackbelt was expelled for accepting the selection for the WTF national squad and going to the Seoul Olympics back in `88. One of the reasons why I`m no longer in the ITF... Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: "Meghan Gardner" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 08:48:28 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: SD List Craig wrote: <> (Snip excellent list) Very good additions, Craig. Sounds like you are a BJJ player as well... or perhaps Vale Tudo? I can't get enough of that stuff. I think most women are put off by BJJ's intimate space. You can't have any inhibitions against rolling around on the ground with a guy on top of you in mount position or his face near your crotch during a figure four headlock. So I pair the women with women until it comes time to really test the technique against someone twice your size and strength. And you should see their complete delight when they find that it works! I think your interpretation of heart is valid... but I think the original poster was referring also to lack of inhibition. I teach women's self defense class and you would be astounded by the number of women who don't raise their hand when I ask them if they would kill their attacker, if they had no other choice, to save themselves. But ask them if they would kill for their children's lives and the hands fly up. This is a societalization that needs to be addressed. It isn't that these women are not capable... it's that they have been told since day one by teachers and parents that girls don't do stuff like this. And the media fully supported it with movies of helpless women beating their fists on the chest of a man ineffectually while screaming for help (and then being rescued by a man). Thankfully, this is slowly changing. We have movies like Crouching Tiger, Tomb Raider, Aliens, Girl fight, and even the testosterone laden The Fast and the Furious that depict strong women who kick some serious butt. I get more girls in my classes who participate in competitive sports where contact has to be shrugged off and a fighting spirit is prized in a girl (without having to be viewed as a "Tomboy"). So I'd say, from my view, heart is very important. However, heart means little if you don't have the technique to back it up. Heart might mean you hurt your attacker badly just before you die. Which is noble, but not good enough. Students need strategies and tactics to first identify a potentially dangerous situation (women especially need to be able to recognize the signs of an abusive boyfriend). They need pro-active methods for avoiding these situations whenever possible. Failing this, they need to be able to use verbal and posture techniques to halt the progression of the "interview" (WITHOUT escalating it). And if all else goes to pot, they need to be able to WIN a fight (the person in a coma "survived"... not good enough). If you jump to the last step without first progressing through the others, then chances are good that your training is incomplete. Too many martial arts schools concentrate on the physical side of self defense. The funny thing is that since I started my SD training to supplement my Martial Arts training, I *NEVER* needed to hit a person. In 10 years, I have failed over two dozen interviews (I travel a lot) - and those are the ones that I overtly recognized. Yeah, I still train my butt off to make sure I can win if it gets physical... but this goes to show that the least expensive fight is the fight where it never got to that point. As a side note: I am certain that one of the big reasons that I have failed these interviews is because of my confidence in my physical training. That "look of death" is even more potent if you know you can back it up. Meghan Gardner Director Guard Up, Inc. www.guardup.com Waltham, MA USA "Always carry love in your heart, and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 7:31:04 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Demotions > > The ITF has actually removed instructors who acted less than > > professionally/ethically, which is one of the many reason I remain here. > > They seem to take the necessary steps to protect their students. > > Same thing here. But there`s the other side of the coin. I don`t know about > other countries, but here in Poland the ITF also expelled people for things > like starting in a WTF style tournament. For example one ITF blackbelt was > expelled for accepting the selection for the WTF national squad and going > to the Seoul Olympics back in `88. One of the reasons why I`m no longer in > the ITF... I also know one high Dan that was asked to leave because he was teaching not only the ITF forms but also the WTF forms. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Juleen Wheeler" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 08:01:12 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #405 Dear Master Timmerman You said " looks like the old version of Kuk Sool that is also found in Venezuela and other parts of South America" I'm a new to Kuk Sool, only about 3 years. Can you explain the difference of the old and new Kuk Sool? I can see from books 1 - 3 what is taught up to 3ed Dahn. It amazes me there are so many ways to defend different parts of the body. I'm cureous as to what 4th, 5th 6th 7th Dahn and beyound teaches, can you enlighten me. Thanks Dave ------------------------------ From: RDNHJMS@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:28:38 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Origins of Hapkido JSaportajr wrote: << Carsten Thanks........there were a variety of martial arts taught in Korea, some of which did not originate with and even preceded the introduction of Yawara to Korea by Choi Young Sool, but which were generally and loosely referred to as Hapkido. These systems had techniques similar to what we now know as Hapkido (i.e., they looked like "Hapkido"). This is a clear and plausible position. >> Plausible that the name Hapkido was used in Korea before GM Choi and GM Ji? Not likely. Sounds like someone's opinion. It's a free country, or it used to be. And everyone has the right to their OPINION. However, how many of you on this list were there at the time and therefore would have any authoritative OPINION. Better yet, how many on this list have worn out their shoe leather running throughout Korea researching and documenting the origins of the Korean arts? I would suggest a better place to search for answers is with those that were there, and those like Dojunim He-Young Kimm who have worn out countless pairs of shoes researching, and yes, documenting the origins of martial arts in Korea. In my OPINION, Doju Kimm is the leading authority on this subject, and has actual documented proof of his research. I would suggest that when searching for answers that you should go to a source that was there (Doju Ji) or one that has documented research (Doju Kimm). Now, before any of you are tempted to question the authenticity of these sources, take the time to meet, train with, and get to know them. Well, I guess that's all of my unauthoritative opinion. Break's over, back to the mat. Hey Mike T, let's get together sometime soon and bend some wrists. V/R, Rick Nabors ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:41:33 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido = Hwarang-Do ??? I've kinda been following some of the Hapkido/Hwarang-Do conversations that have been flying about as of late. Hard enough for me to understand what's being said as it seems that those engaged in the actual discussion are having a difficult time getting on the same page (Bill Clinton: "Define what you mean by 'is'."). From what I can gather...some people on one side of this "argument" hold the position that Hwarang-Do is actually modified Hapkido with a trumped up lineage to make it appear as if it is descended from some antiquated martial tradition? Sorry to put it so bluntly, but that's what I'm gathering. Is this the case, or am I reading too much into some of this stuff? I don't practice either one so please don't think I'm trying to stir up one side against the other. OK...maybe just a little:) Craig Stovall _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 8:33:44 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #406 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.