From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #407a Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 14 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 407a In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Spinning Heel kick the_dojang: Re: Hwarangdo (will the real one please stand up) ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Carsten Jorgensen" Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 03:16:40 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Spinning Heel kick Bruce: >> BTW: Myself and one or two other people have provided definitions of Hapkido for you. I noticed that you continue to use a lack of definition of the genre to support or defend a position regarding exclusivity to GM Lee and his art. If it serves some purpose to you to believe that GM Lee is the 58th in a lineage for a culture that carries no such institution, I have no problem with that. It does puzzle me that you would continue to participate in an intellectually-based dialogue regarding what is apparently a faith-based issue. << I have no idea what you're talking about, what has faith to do with history? I'm asking mainly because people thinks that Hapkido is ONE thing, and people always thinks about their own style then they say 'in Hapkido we do like this'. Anyway, I've been very busy so I've missed a lot of the posts, could you post your definition of Hapkido again? Carsten Jorgensen Copenhagen, Denmark hwarangdo@email.com - -- _______________________________________________ Make PC-to-Phone calls with Net2Phone. Sign-up today at: http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?121 ------------------------------ From: "Carsten Jorgensen" Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 03:18:55 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hwarangdo (will the real one please stand up) Me: >> Well, I was probably not very clear, of course there have been styleS using the Hapkido name, including Song/Sung Mu Kwan Hapkido. My point is that there never were and never will be ONE unified style. For the moment people started using the name it were a generic term for many different styles. There never were 'A' style called Hapkido. << Ray: >> As there are multiple styles/groups using the name Hwarangdo? I can think of at least three off the top of my head. One in Oz (not affiliated with JB Lee) and then Michael De Alba's Modern HRD (an offshoot of JB Lee's) and the of course GM Lee's. So you mean in this same fashion that Hapkido was used by various groups, meaning similar but different arts? << Well, DeAlba have changed the name to Dsystem or something similar, great - I'm sure he'll develop his style into something very good, but it's not Hwarang Do. The master in Australia's only affiliation with GM Lee is that he named his style after GM Lee's style when he went to Australia. The people who use the name Hwarang Do, do so because of GM Lee's style so it's not the same. Hapkido has always been a generic term (the reason why everybody can use it for whatever style they like) and Hwarang Do is not a generic term, and never were. >> Just being a pain... :) << Tell me about it ;-) Carsten Jorgensen Copenhagen, Denmark hwarangdo@email.com - -- _______________________________________________ Make PC-to-Phone calls with Net2Phone. Sign-up today at: http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?121 ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #407 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.