From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #409 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 15 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 409 In this issue: the_dojang: Interviews the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #407 the_dojang: Sin Moo Hapkido and HJMS the_dojang: Doju Ji seminar the_dojang: Mooyekwan the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #408 the_dojang: KSW the_dojang: Breaking the_dojang: Re:Due Dilligence the_dojang: Re: SD List the_dojang: offering your ear the_dojang: HRD yesterday vs. today ? the_dojang: Re: Master Choi, Jung Hwa the_dojang: Re: Demotions the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meghan Gardner" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:33:52 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Interviews Alain writes: <> Yes, I use the term as defined by Peyton. His book, "Bouncer's Guide to Barroom Brawling" is required reading in our school. I think that Ray is right that the term was first used by LEOs for a long time and Peyton popularized it (as well as attached a more solidified meaning to it) in his books. Peyton is one of the first (if not the first) pioneers in Adrenaline Stress Training. For those on the list who are Tony Blauer fans, lets not start a flame war... I really don't care who came up with it first. All I know is that I've met and trained with Peyton in person and I found him to be extremely humble despite his knowledge, training and popularity. A rare breed, if you ask me. Meghan Gardner Director Guard Up, Inc. www.guardup.com Waltham, MA USA "Always carry love in your heart, and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:57:44 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #407 In a message dated 07/14/2001 2:23:13 PM EST, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: Loucat101@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:29:32 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Breaking. I'm a 11th keub in Hanmudo and I'm going to have to break for the first time in my grading in one week. My instructor told me I'd be fine, but we practised today and nothing I could do would break the board. I was using my hips and hitting with the right part of my elbow (it's elbow strike). Could it be that I'm just not strong enough? And if so, is there anything I can do about it before next week? Thanks, Louise>> The main thing to remember is to not strike the board, but strike through the board. Ideally, your technique should end up several inches behind the board. X / Y <-------------technique \ Where Y is equal to Technique's Starting point, X is Technique finishing point, the <-------- is the technique's path, and the / \ are the parts of the broken boards....^_^ Also, visualizing yourself striking through the board take a couple a slow mesuring strikes to make sure the center of the board is in the right place for the technique.(As a hint, I have found the kicks have a tendecy to go slightly higher when done for the break then when mesuring kicks are done.) Focus, power, and visualation that what Board breaks test for. Craig ------------------------------ From: RDNHJMS@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:02:26 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Sin Moo Hapkido and HJMS << can you identify the things that make SinMoo Hapkido superior to WJMS and why you made the jump to HKD?>> Sir, I don't think SMHKD is superior to HJMS. As a matter of fact, I don't think any martial art is superior to any other martial art. I believe an important reason to study and dedicate yourself to a martial art is to perfect the techniques. I also believe that it should take you a lifetime to do so, whatever your art. All martial arts have something to offer to someone, even the schools you see here in the states where the kids run around in t-shirts, shorts and a belt chasing a little ball around the dojang floor. If that's what they want to call their martial art and people want to practice it, then who am I say it is not superior. HJMS differs from SMHKD in that it uses bigger circular motions. GM Myung Jae Ok and his brother Myung Jae Nam both ran the Intl HKD Fed. while I was with them. The principles of the techniques are the same between the two organization, just organized differently in sets. As a matter of fact, Doju Ji teaches big circles also, especially against multiple opponents. I have not given up practicing and teaching HJMS. I have a few students, but it is a very difficult art to learn. Students start with a HKD foundation, which is much easier to understand. I keep a good relationship with GM Myung, who I respect greatly. I sought out GM Ji when I returned to the states in 1995 after being gone most of the previous 18 years. The last time I saw him was in 1980 in Seoul, and I had no idea he had moved here. All of the teachers that I have had, or all of their teachers were Ji Han Jae. I could not understand why they abandoned him, so I sought him out. My Hapkido teacher I studied under while in Bahrain, Kang Kyo-Sik (Intl HKD Federation) asked all of his white belts the following question: "What's the best way to win a fight?" (Actually, the way he put it was "what's the best winning way) He did not require an answer until they tested for black belt. It took until they reached black belt for them to absorb the philosophy. Sorry for the long post. V/R, Rick Nabors ------------------------------ From: RDNHJMS@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:18:22 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Doju Ji seminar << Is Doju Ji going to be at your school Veteran's Day Weekend again this year to teach? That has become kind of a Florida tradition that people look forward to. >> Sir, Dojunim said last year that he would not teach any more seminars. He said he wants to turn over those duties to his senior students and that he would make an appearance at them as the honored guest. However, I have convinced him that I truely am incompetent and need more training. Actually I pleaded with him to come down this year Nov 17-18 to teach again. He has agreed. I will be traveling to the Philly area next month to train with him for a few days. I know all of his techniques, but still have much to learn. Until he dies I will be with him. There is nothing I can give him or do for him to repay him for all he has given me and the art of Hapkido. He is like a father to me. I hope some of you from the list can make it down to Tampa in November to train with us. V/R, Rick Nabors ------------------------------ From: "Mimi" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:39:20 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Mooyekwan The issue of Mooyekwan as a Korean art is simple. Master Whalen's Hapkido is not derivative. It is Hapkido as taught by his masters in Korea. He trained in Korea as well as in the US, and although he has refined and added to the art as every master instructor does, his art is the genuine Korean product -"geneologically" sound, and therefore Korean, his own ethnicity notwithstanding. M. Netzer ------------------------------ From: SunBiNim@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:33:59 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #408 In a message dated 7/14/2001 3:21:34 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Failing the interview is done by being aware and recognizing potential danger and avoiding it. The would be attacker goes somewhere else because you are not going to be an easy target. >> I would be interested to see if Megan's 24 "interviews" in 10 years is common or uncommon. I would assume that females are more prone to being interviewed than males, yes? Megan, you implied that you haven't had to hit anyone in the last 10 years because you "failed the interviews." Did you find yourself having to hit people to defend yourself before that? I'm just surprised at the frequency. Do those of us on this list who practice more traditional martial arts (without supplementary SD training) and are not LEO's feel like they are in danger this frequently? Thanks, Steve Kincade ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:11:47 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: KSW Dave writes: > > I'm a new to Kuk Sool, only about 3 years. Can you explain the difference > of the old and new Kuk Sool? Hello Dave: The old Kuk Sool had more curriculum, and its forms were done quite different. In fact, they very much resembled some Chinese arts. I believe that some schools still practice things the old way, but WKSA (under GM Suh In Hyuk) has somewhat revamped their version. Having learned the art from GM Pak In Shyuk (the old way) first, and later from GM Suh In Hyuk, it took me some time to adjust. Perhaps these changes were an attempt to better synchronize the manner in which the art was taught in various schools. Therefore, these changes may just be a reflection of how individual Instructors used to interpret their art. On the other hand, it may be a deliberate move to make the art more marketable in the US. At least I have heard some comments along that line from various high sources. Whatever the reasons, both versions I have seen are a great way to practice martial arts I remember well one incident at the World Championships were the Venezuelan team would have been disqualified for performing their forms differently (this was shortly after the GMs annual seminar tour had spent much time organizing the forms to be performed the same way). I objected to this at the officials' meeting, and pointed out that the Venezuelans had not been taught the "new" version. Fortunately, sanity prevailed, and the Venezuelans had great results. Dave, keep on training, whatever version. Don't sweat the small stuff! Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:33:24 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Breaking Louise writes: > Could > it be that I'm just not strong enough? And if so, is there anything I can do > about it before next week? Hi Louise: IMHO, you should stop "trying" to break immediately. You are only going to make your elbow more sensitive in the next week. That is not a good thing just before your test. Instead, practice the motion "without" actually hitting the board, and "think" your way trough it. I taught a white belt to break five 2" x 8" x 16" cement slabs that way, without ever having him actually touch cement. At the competition, he took six slabs by mistake and broke them no problem. Most Black Belts in attendance withdrew from the breaking competition after that. I guess what I am trying to say is simple. You must learn to believe in your capabilities. That is what your Instructor is trying to tell you when he said "you'll be fine". BTW, make sure your boards are held/supported correctly and the grain is aligned properly for your break. Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:32:55 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re:Due Dilligence My question is, should I mind my own business or Dear Cheree: "....My question is, should I mind my own business or interfere?..." The answer to this question resides heavily with how you perceive your role as a teacher. I also think that how you framed your question speaks volumes about the kind of answer you are looking for. I will work to answer your question two ways. #1. If you have already decided that there is a line between your own business and someone elses business for your own agenda I would advocate that you not become involved in someone elses affairs. Your life will be less complicated and you owe them nothing. You are responsible for the care and maintanence of your Dynamic Sphere and yours alone. If however you have elcted to accpet responsibility for another persons' D-S then I would get off my Martial A-- and start attending to my responsibilities that I have assumed for myself. Assuming such a role, not unlike police, fire dept, therapists, clergy and many other service providers requires that you intervene if you believe a person is a danger to themselves or others. Its called due dilligence and failure to provide it is actionable under our legal system. #2. I have noticed that you have asked a couple of excellent questions in the past and have done so again. I am concerned that you might be relying on this DD rather than cultivating a mentorship with someone closer to you and yourlocation through which you can address such weighty questions. If you have someone who is thinking about harming themselves or others this is not the stuff of which casual conversation is made. I hope this is of some help. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:59:38 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: SD List Meghan wrote, "Very good additions, Craig. Sounds like you are a BJJ player as well... or perhaps Vale Tudo?" Yes, Brazilian Jiu-jitsu and a smattering of wrestling. Our club is fortunate enough to have a fair number of current and former wrestlers working with us, and the instructors often let them show their stuff. "I can't get enough of that stuff. I think most women are put off by BJJ's intimate space. You can't have any inhibitions against rolling around on the ground with a guy on top of you in mount position or his face near your crotch during a figure four headlock." How ironic that you mention this. Today was the first day that I have ever rolled with a woman. I was expecting it to be an uncomfortable experience...it wasn't. Actually, it was one of the most enjoyable times I've ever had on the mat. The ladies tend not to "muscle" their techniques (for obvious reasons), and rely more on pure technique and true leverage. This was especially true of this particular young lady. For my part, I was able to completely relax (absent the clashing of two male egos), and concentrate on my own technique without trying to "muscle" it. Lucky for me I finally caught her with an armbar from the mount. Other than that...I would have had no problem tapping out from her excellent technique had she caught me. Wish we had more ladies like this in class. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:02:31 PDT Subject: the_dojang: offering your ear > I am fearful that this woman is in a bad scenario and may attempt to use what > little knowledge she has gained... > > My question is, should I mind my own business or interfere? Some people ask for help in not so obvious ways. Offering your ear may be sufficient for her to open up. That advice and $5 will buy you a cup of Starbucks... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:15:22 PDT Subject: the_dojang: HRD yesterday vs. today ? Carsten (or others), How has, or how would you guess, GM JB Lee's HwaRangDo changed over the last ~40 years? Did he add eastern med components after obtaining his LAc? BTW, when I visited him 20 years ago in SoCal his office/dojang was just that, half medical office and half dojang. He sat there and chatted with me while class was going on. You could sit near the front and easily see into both halves. Is he still in that same location? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:46:25 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Master Choi, Jung Hwa Sir, Only Master Choi and General Choi were running for president. It doesn't appear that very many people want the job. Regards, Robert Martin 4th Dan ITF > From: Piotr Bernat > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:11:06 +0200 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: Master Choi, Jung Hwa > > > Do you believe that it should > > stay in the Choi family, or would a higher ranking member such as > > Grandmaster Ree, Ki Hah have been considered? > > I`m just curious: were there any other candidates running for this office > during the ITF congress? > > Regards > - -- > Piotr Bernat > dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl > http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:53:48 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Demotions Sir, At one time this was actually the official policy of the ITF. I know that in the United States, at least, it no longer is. If someone wants to try to Olympic medals, they are welcome to it. They will not be removed from the ITF or their national organization. By the way, the 13th ITF World Championship will be held in Warsaw, Poland during the summer of 2003. I look forward to making the trip. Regards, Robert Martin 4th Dan ITF PS: Sir, the Polish men's team soundly beat the DPRK men's team in team sparring the ITF Championships. I have a few pictures of them at www.maestastkd.com. Not sure what day it was, but they are the 5 bleached blond guys against the five black haired ones. We all were routing for Poland that day. > From: Piotr Bernat > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:15:59 +0200 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: Demotions > > > The ITF has actually removed instructors who acted less than > > professionally/ethically, which is one of the many reason I remain here. > > They seem to take the necessary steps to protect their students. > > Same thing here. But there`s the other side of the coin. I don`t know about > other countries, but here in Poland the ITF also expelled people for things > like starting in a WTF style tournament. For example one ITF blackbelt was > expelled for accepting the selection for the WTF national squad and going > to the Seoul Olympics back in `88. One of the reasons why I`m no longer in > the ITF... > > Regards > - -- > Piotr Bernat > dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl > http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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