From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #413 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 16 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 413 In this issue: the_dojang: Small circle jujitsu the_dojang: TSD / TKD Schools in Dubai Re: the_dojang: Small circle jujitsu the_dojang: Re : Breaking the_dojang: New thread the_dojang: ITF, WTF Tae Kwon Do, and Tang Soo Do the_dojang: RE: Secrets RE: Secrets the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #404 the_dojang: Re: Master Choi, Jung Hwa the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #410 the_dojang: Cross training on forms the_dojang: Women's Self Defense Intensive in Waltham, MA the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #407 the_dojang: Re: the Ideals of a BB... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #409 the_dojang: Prof.Jay / ITF&WTF forms the_dojang: Hapkido In The UK? the_dojang: more interviews the_dojang: RE: Good Manners the_dojang: 3000 + Hapkido Technique the_dojang: Seminar Education the_dojang: Re: Nim/ Sir the_dojang: Dojangs in Denver the_dojang: painting ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:21:15 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Small circle jujitsu Hi Folks, I've been training in Small Circle Jujitsu for the last few years under Prof. Ed Melaugh, one of the four heirs of the system. The other three heirs -- Prof. Leon Jay, Prof. Lee Eichelberger, and Prof. Ron Ogi -- have also flown in, as well as GM Wally Jay and his wife, Bernice (who doesn't use the term much, but is a Professor in her own right -- earned her rank back in the 1940s). I had trained in hapkido for a long time before that, but I've got to say that I found Prof. Jay's safety rules, wrist extensions, and basic principles very useful. Pick up his book "Small Circle Jujitsu" and check them out. You might also try to find a copy of his earlier "Dynamic Jujitsu," which includes a drawing of his basic wrist extension. Prof. Jay is very skilled, and what's more, his wife and he are truly wonderful people to be around. As for his background, Prof. Jay started in boxing in 1928, and later started practicing jujitsu. By the 1940s, he was teaching in Hawai'i under Prof. Henry Seishiro Okazaki in Danzan-ryu jujutsu. If you can find the 1945 demo tape from Okazaki's school, watch for the tall skinny guy getting chucked around. That's Prof. Jay! He learned the principle of the small circle manipulations from a talented judo player he studied under in 1943. Later, Prof. Jay went on to coach judo quite successfully. He was always an innovator and believed in marketing the arts strongly. His "Jujitsu Follies" were a big hit in Hawai'i in the late 1940s. Prof. Jay was also good friends with Ed Parker and Bruce Lee, and in the last few years has put out a number of videotapes. You can also find him on the series "China's Living Treasures," in a demonstration he gave in Beijing of his finger-locking technique. He is definitely a wonderful person and my congrats to anyone who is fortunate enough to train at his hombu dojo in Alameda, California! I'm jealous Mark! :) Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu PS: Prof. Melaugh teaches in Boston, Prof. Eichelberger at the hombu dojo, Prof. Ogi in Hawai'i, and Prof. Leon Jay in London, just in case anyone wants to look them up. Just don't ask Leon to demonstrate a choke on you, or you'll be sorry!! :) ------------------------------ From: "Donnelly, Eamonn" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:41:44 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: TSD / TKD Schools in Dubai One of my fellow martial artists (3rd Dan TSD) is visiting Dubai and was wondering if there are any TSD / TKD dojangs that she could perhaps visit? Can anyone help? Eamonn 1st Gup Confidentiality Note: The information in this electronic mail ("e-mail") message may be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by privilege, work product immunity or other applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient the retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you receive this electronic mail ("e-mail") in error please notify us immediately by telephone on +44 (0) 24 7686 2000 or by e-mail at postmaster@cel-international.com. Thank you. Registered in England No. 3877626 Registered Office 256 Foleshill Road Coventry CV6 5AB ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 8:14:04 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Small circle jujitsu > As for his background, Prof. Jay started in boxing in 1928, and later > started practicing jujitsu. By the 1940s, he was teaching in Hawai'i > under Prof. Henry Seishiro Okazaki in Danzan-ryu jujutsu. If you can > find the 1945 demo tape from Okazaki's school, watch for the tall skinny > guy getting chucked around. That's Prof. Jay! Be sure to enjoy him while you can. We just lost his senior, Sig Kufferath, a couple of years ago. Prof. Kufferath would be 90 now, were he still with us. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Brian Myers Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:48:53 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re : Breaking >I'm a 11th keub in Hanmudo and I'm going to have to break for the first time >in my grading in one week. My instructor told me I'd be fine, but we >practised today and nothing I could do would break the board. I was using my >hips and hitting with the right part of my elbow (it's elbow strike). Could >it be that I'm just not strong enough? And if so, is there anything I can do >about it before next week? >Thanks, >Louise Louise, Ah, this is just the kind of post I have been waiting for, a chance to share my knowledge and hopefully help a fellow martial artist better themselves. First let me say that I know very little about how you are trained in Hanmudo, I come from Songahm Taekwondo and Aiki-Jutsu. I believe that your instructor is probably correct in thinking you will do just fine. Let me give you my pointers based on the type of technique. First, a verticle back-elbow strike. This is the technique we most often have our students start with as it is the most natural of the breaking motions. You stand with your back to the board(Hips and shoulders should be parallel to the board) and strike by bringing your elbow through an arc near your hip. Idea number one, momentum. We teach our students not only to use the shoulders and hips in a twisting motion, but also to start with the leg on the striking side a half-step forward of the other. Then during the delivery to step that foot back, ending a half step behind the other foot. This does two things. It allows the student to generate more momentum (IE force) and it moves the target. The target for any kind of break should not be the surface of the board, but a few inches behind it. We often tell our students to focus of the board holder and not the board. This is similar to the question of where do you want your punch to stop, on the attacker's skin, in inside his stomach? (The idea of fluid shock wave damage cannot be attained by stopping on the surface). The second version of the elbow break we use most often is the Horizontal Back Elbow. Again you stand parallel to the board, only this time you are beside it and a little in front of it. Again we teach a stepping technique for momentum/power as well as a twisting of the hips and shoulders. In this strike you bring your elbow across in a horizonal arc and strike the board at somewhere near shoulder high. Again watch the focus, and make sure you are concentrating on a target that is a few inches behind the board. If possible try the stepping techniques, and no matter what type of break remember your target is not the board, but behind it. Breaking has little or nothing to do with size or strength. It is a test of technique and a test of will. Good luck, and I hope that I have helped, atleast a little. Yours in the Martial Spirit, Brian Myers ------------------------------ From: "Dizzy S." Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:39:52 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: New thread Piotr Bernat wrote: I asked: <> Piotr Bernat wrote: <<..if I could live my life in martial arts again, I wouldn`t change a single day. All experiences, good and bad ones, were something that made my life better, more interesting, more challenging. And seeing my first students promoted to black belts was worth it all.>> I wouldn't change it either. I just wish I'd got into martial arts sooner (not that 25 was too old lol). <> That was beautiful. Great post :o) Ya sure we are not in the same dojang? Mine is like that also. We are one big family. But I think my sah bum nim wanted to kill me a few times too lol. I just RAN the other way hee hee. I was a difficult white belt (I think I'm a difficult green belt also, just with more respect lol). <> See. This is also great. Someone can practice one or more arts without "tearing it up". They learn something that works for them, and take it back "home". I love this post. Thank you, Piotr :o) Good luck you you and your students :o) Tang Soo! Dizzy 6th gup TSD www.imahq.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Dizzy S." Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:49:49 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: ITF, WTF Tae Kwon Do, and Tang Soo Do Hiya all. I have something intersting to pass along. In my dojang, if a student comes into our school as a black belt of Tae kwon do (We are TSD), he starts out as a white belt, but if he isn't lying, and he's truly a BB in TKD, they'll jump that student up to cho dan bo (one belt below BB). He/she isn't allowed to be a BB till he learns our forms, but they usually pick up on it very quickly (most of the time). Then after the 6 months to a year of being a cho dan bo, they'll let that student test for BB (providing he knows the forms and stuff inside and out). Does any of your dojangs "credit" students like that that knows other arts? Just a thought. Dizzy 6th gup TSD www.imahq.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Patrick L" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:55:20 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Secrets RE: Secrets Dear Mr. Sims, >If I am interpreting your position correctly you have come to believe that >education is a function of the needs of the teacher. For my part I believe >that education is a function of the needs of the student.< You have identified a significant difference between our philosophies, but mine is a little different than you suppose. I will try an analogy; If the art you teach is painting - no matter how much the student needs to sculpt - the STUDENT is in the WRONG place. If you are demonstrating Cubism & and the student is practising Realism - the STUDENT is on the WRONG lesson. >The matter that I am responding to concerns the willful withholding of >material as a "tease" or manipulation to ones' students.< Again you assume that ALL the teachers information is the RIGHT of the student's to have. I disagree with this position. Try to look at it this way; Technique is the intellectual property of the teacher. The teacher has the right to dispose (share) in their fashion, regardless of their reasoning. When a student decides what, when, and how he will be taught - he is an instructor - his own - and he deserves himself as his student. I assure you that the position of students demanding the sharing of technique of Korean teachers, was not historically nor is it presently, the preferred method. It simply represents your desire of how things "should be". Dealing with an instructor is simple; You catch more flies(techniques) with Honey ("Yes Sir") than with Vinegar ("What you talkin' 'bout Willis?") I appreciate your recommendation to me of strictly structured Japanese arts, however since it appears that I already have those correct traits (as taught to me by Koreans), might I suggest that you adopt them. Then the Korean arts will benefit from our combined wisdom. :) Getting in the Way, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: ConcordTKD@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:48:56 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #404 ""I have heard that Master Choi, Jung Hwa will be taking over the reins of the ITF when General Choi, Hong Hi steps down. I was wondering what the views of The Listers were on this subject. Do you believe that it should stay in the Choi family, or would a higher ranking member such as Grandmaster Ree, Ki Hah have been considered?"" Teh decision is based on an election, Others do have the oportunity to run for the office, so others are considered before the election process even begins. John ------------------------------ From: danny Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:14:31 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Master Choi, Jung Hwa Hi Ms. Lambton, This issue was beat to death on another newsgroup a few months ago. The fact is that the other GMs were probably considered, but that Master Choi was by far the most wanted candidate. He was elected by those who are of the highest degrees. Here was the original announcement... Although there have been many rumors as of late with regards to Master Choi taking over the residency of the ITF, all speculation has been laid to rest today. General Choi Hong Hi has announced to the ITF Congress that he will be retiring in June 2003 at the next World Championships in Poland. Master Choi Jung Hwa then received a unanimous vote by the ITF council to be the next President of the ITF effective the same date. There has and will be no appointment as often rumored, Master Choi has been elected and will take office in June 2003. Taekwon, Danny Alberts > > From: "Melissa Lambton" > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:41:10 +0100 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: Master Choi, Jung Hwa > > I have heard that Master Choi, Jung Hwa will be taking over the reins of the > ITF when General Choi, Hong Hi steps down. I was wondering what the views of > The Listers were on this subject. Do you believe that it should stay in the > Choi family, or would a higher ranking member such as Grandmaster Ree, Ki > Hah have been considered? > > Taekwon. > Melissa (1st degree ITF TKD) ------------------------------ From: ConcordTKD@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:13:59 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #410 ""Want the job?, or feel that they even had a shot at the job?, or perhaps got the clear message that no one else should run? Don't you suspect that this "election" was predetermined? Not a shot at the ITF, but I would fall off my chair if I ever came across a Korean Martial Arts Association that was truly democratic. USTU and WTF included. I know of a Korean man who was president of a state Taekwondo association (USTU), who was told by a high ranking official to step aside for another Korean man who was from the high-ranking official's town in Korea and kwan. The state president refused, and he had the sh-- beat out of him outside his hotel in Colorado. My instructor was voted the president of the Massachusetts TKD Association and the election was thrown out by the USTU and given to his Korean opponent. Do you really think that it just so happened that the General's son was the only one who wanted the job? Jose'"" Sounds like the USTU guys play abit rough. I think that before the election lots of people had lots of talks and can to some conclusions about things. John Murphy A-3-756 ITF/USTF ------------------------------ From: Gregory Giddins Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:27:18 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Cross training on forms >Another question, has anybody on this list transferred from one style to another and had to learn another set of patterns? If so how did you find it? Are there people on this list that cross train and know more than one set of patterns.< Sure. I'll give my opinion.....(strapping on the bullet proof vest) I have been Tang Soo Do (Pyung Ahn/Bassai/Naihanji -not Chil Sung/Yuk Ro, although I learned the first 3 Chil Sung as well) for about 10 years, 4 of those years I cross trained in WTF/Taeguk forms, and I spent a year in an ITF school that taught the Chang-Hon forms [without the sine-wave]. I enjoy the Pyung Ahn forms immensely, and I've found the spirit of the Chang-Hon (ITF) forms to be similar to that of the Pyung Ahn set. The techniques are, for the most part, similar [excepting the sine-wave], although the Chang-Hon forms tend to be longer/have more moves at comparable levels. And they throw more kicks in as well. But they definatley have close ties to eachother. The big difference is the sine-wave motion of the ITF, and this can greatly change not only the individual techniques, but also the tempo of the form. If the chang-hon are executed using Tang Soo Do 'flavor' techniques, they can be easily learned by an experenced TSD practitioner who has studied the pyung ahn's, and vice-versa. However, I did not get any training in any standard 'bunkai' (sorry MM, I lost the korean word), or even personal interpretations of bunkai in the chang-hon set from the ITF instructor. So I cannot compare the bunkai of the 2 sets, except where the 2 sets have the exact same techniques, which happens a couple times here and there. Can anyone say if the ITF have standardized their bunkai? Is there a block of material that instructors can refer to in order to determine what Gen.Choi meant for some of the more 'exotic' movements? The Taeguks (WTF) are also similar to the Pyung Ahns, although there are subtle differences I was taught that can change the 'flavor' of a forms set entirely. Things like the front stances are 'higher' and more narrow, and the 'walking stance' is not found in the Tang Soo Do forms. They also have a higher number of kicks than the Pyung Ahn's at comparible levels/ranks. (These differences are to reflect the WTF's emphasis on point-sparring - light, quick stances, etc., and not bunkai oriented self defense, so I've been told). They are similar in length to the Pyung Ahn set, and similar in overall format as well. Again, it's a set that has a large amount of similarity to the Pyung Ahn. Where the WTF and ITF forms seem to set themselves apart from the Pyung Ahns is in the philosophy that is tied to each individual form. In the ITF they all have a name that ties a particular philosophical trait, or a historical figure, to the form. The WTF forms also have a philosophy for each form, that should be learned with the form and have some influence in how the form is executed (tempo, etc.). The Pyung ahns don't have individual history lessons, or philosophical concepts tied to the beginning/intermediate forms. Where they are similar is fairly obvious to an educated observer who gets the opportunity to see them performed. The techniques are drawn from the same pool, and they all have a similar 'feel' to eachother. But each organization does things a liiiitle bit differently. Which is what I find to be the most fascinating when cross training in similar arts. Master Dennis McHenry has a page that you may find intersting of your intereted in forms comparison: http://users.ev1.net/~d.mchenry/forms/index.htm Here you will be able to see the Taeguks, Beginning/Intermediate Chang-Hon, Palgwe, and Pyung Ahn set. It sure would be interesting to see the ATA/SongAhm forms and the Chil Sung/Yuk ro hyungs as well, but I believe there are copyright issues???? (After reviewing this post 4 times, i am finally satisfied that nothing here will offend anyone, but if you read this and are irritated about something I said, let me apologize in advance. I have great respect for the two organizations listed (WTF and ITF), and meant no harm in anything I put up there. I would reccomend cross training in forms, just like I would reccomend cross training in sparring.) Tang Soo. Greg Giddins ------------------------------ From: "Meghan Gardner" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:21:52 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Women's Self Defense Intensive in Waltham, MA Women's Self Defense Intensive August 5th 1-4PM Waltham Athletic Club To register, visit our website: http://www.guardup.com/wsd.htm (781) 271-1491 The course involves lecture, interactive roleplaying and physical training with a Padded Attacker. Meghan Gardner Director Guard Up, Inc. www.guardup.com Waltham, MA USA "Always carry love in your heart, and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:38:08 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #407 "I'm a 11th keub in Hanmudo and I'm going to have to break for the first time in my grading in one week. My instructor told me I'd be fine, but we practised today and nothing I could do would break the board. I was using my hips and hitting with the right part of my elbow (it's elbow strike). Could it be that I'm just not strong enough? And if so, is there anything I can do about it before next week? Thanks, Louise" Was another student holding the board for you? Were you striking against the grain? There is an art, so to speak, to holding boards. Perhaps the person/people holding the board were not locking their arms, allowing the board to bounce forward as you tried to strike. The elbow strike is fairly painless...just take a deep breath and aim past the board, not at it. Good Luck! - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: Brian Myers Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:31:24 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: the Ideals of a BB... In response to some of the postings on BB's and their promotion I would like to add my $.02. First, a shameless plug for the ATA. Inside of our organization there is a very regimented, and highly controlled process for becoming a certified instructor. It begins when your instructor feels you are ready and willing to become an instructor, nothing at all to do with belt rank. In some cases older (13-16) children are allowed to begin the process, but mostly it is geared toward adult BB's. It can take upto 3 years of intense, specialized training, above and beyond that of regular advancement training. In this training many issues on the theory and methods of teaching, as well as the base of techniques, are emphasized. This allows our organization to be very uniform in its instruction approach and the testing required allows our senior ranks to keep the weaker instructor hopefuls from "damaging" the younger students. During this time you also spend a great deal of time working under a certified instructor and learning from their experience. As for BB's promoting, and color belts promoting to first Dan, I agree that many students are promoted with less than par capabilities. However, after a recent conversation with one of my seniors, I revisited my own expectations of a BB (especially those testing into 1st Dan). Where I used to focus only on technique, I now feel that the tenants of Respect, Humility, Responsibility, and Desire to Learn, are far more important than single techniques. It is with these tenants that a young 1st Dan can make the transition succesfully, and begin their learning again. Afterall, as most of us know, no matter what the style or form, the body mechanics and principles of a beginner's curriculum and that of a Dan holder are very different. Also, each martial artist has different capabilities and levels of athleticism from the very first day of training. Be very careful not to judge a students skills on how they do the technique, but how they understand the technique. Many people understand exactly how to do a technique, but do to a whim of mother nature, or unfortunate accident, cannot perform it in a "textbook" manner. Therefore judge each student on the effectiveness of "their technique" and challenge them to make it better, not just "textbook". It may seem like a lot to ask of instructors, but that is our chosen responsibility, to help each student reach their maximum potential. And along the way we should strive to teach them something of Respect, Courage, Honor, Humility, and Responsibility, but many of those things develop naturally as they progress. Yours in the Martial Spirit, Brian Myers ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:00:02 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #409 Thank you for your honest reply, Mr. Sims. I think I am going to ask her for the reasons she decided to take up a Martial Art. I will let the questions roll as the conversation unfurls. I fully accept the underlying responsibility that comes along with teaching; realizing that, all-too-often, more is needed to be taught than just technique. I merely ask the DD for advise because many participants, such as yourself, answer with integrity and experience. Thanks again- Cheree ------------------------------ From: "TNT-Police Combatives ." Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:42:38 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Prof.Jay / ITF&WTF forms Ray, Jay started at age 11 (1928) in boxing. in 1935 started Jujitsu. Then in 1940, studied under one of Henry Okazaki's top students. 1944 he rec'd his BB, 1945 2nd dan, and also a diploma from Okazaki. - ------------------------- Damian, I first leared a series of Gohakukai (Goju-ryu) forms, transferred to ITF-chang hun forms, at BB, learned much of the WTF-Taeguek series, learned the Heihan Shotokan forms, and am now working on the TKD Palgue set so I am familiar with the forms used in a friends dojang. Throw in a few various kung-fu style forms for good measure too. For me, forms are easy to learn. For most sets, the symetry is easy to pick up on. For many systems, forms are mirror images. What is done on one side/direction, is done on the other side/direction. For my TKD students, I mandate that they learn both ITF, WTF, and once they reach about high intermediate, they learn the Gohakukai forms. The ITF and Shotokan forms have very similar formats and patterns, so learning the Shotokan ones was fairly easy. I like the ITF forms, and dont really care for the WTF ones. I find the Taeguek series a little too simple, but learn and practice them because they are part of the art. My favorites are still the Goju forms. Mark Gajdostik _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Rich" Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:39:54 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido In The UK? Hi all, I am interested in taking Hapkido classes in the UK and was wondering if anyone else on this list practices in the UK? (midlands area...). After looking on the Net, I've only found a couple of organisations: The International Independent All Korean Arts, Hapkido Association (IIAKAHA) http://www.hapkido.co.uk/ which has a HQ in Ireland and teaches the Sin Moo Hapkido syllabus and I think is run by a Master Massan Ghorbani , the second is the Fred Adams International Hapkido Association http://website.lineone.net/~harry.dean/index.html - not sure what syllabus he teaches... I'd be interested to hear off anyone who has info on these two associations... Plus are there any others I don't know about, or is it just that Hapkido is not practised much in the UK? I believe there is also a Combat Hapkido organisation, but their style - so I've been told - has most of the kicks taken out and concentrates on street type of combat without the meditation/flashy stuff etc... Also - I know, another question - is there much grappling/ground fighting in Hapkido? The reason I ask is that I recently went to a Kuk Sool Won demo and there seemed to be quite a lot of it in their syllabus, which I'm not TOO keen on really... All that head in crotch stuff doesn't really appeal to me (not in that sense anyway) ;-) I'm looking for a "complete" MA and in this country, it seems to be Lau Gar Kung Fu or nothing else...! Many Thanks. Rich. ------------------------------ From: Ellen P Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: more interviews >>>>I would be interested to see if Megan's 24 "interviews" in 10 years is common or uncommon. I would assume that females are more prone to being interviewed than males, yes? Megan, you implied that you haven't had to hit anyone in the last 10 years because you "failed the interviews." Did you find yourself having to hit people to defend yourself before that? I'm just surprised at the frequency. Do those of us on this list who practice more traditional martial arts (without supplementary SD training) and are not LEO's feel like they are in danger this frequently? Thanks, Steve Kincade>>>>> Steve - YES. I don't "feel" like I'm in danger this frequently, I KNOW I'm in danger this frequently. I can't buy gas at my local neighborhood gas station without being 'interviewed' almost every time (ok - so I live in DC). Surprised at the frequency? I guess it depends on where you live, your lifestyle, etc... I've been 'interviewed' since I was 13 years old. And like Megan, I also travel alone a lot and have successfully avoided some bad stuff happening. Some countries are worse than others. Unfortunately, there was/is nothing to back up my confidence on the street and (thank god) no one has yet to call my bluff....I just always tried to never show weakness and was real creative with avoiding/deflecting the situation. The 'bad man' is usually stupid (knock on wood). And I was/am always aware of what's going on around me - I believe that has really saved me a number of times. I've been training in TKD for the past 6 months and although I love every minute of every class and plan to do TKD as long as my body will allow me - I know I need to supplement my training right now.....I'm browsing the gaurdup website now... EP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:22:16 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Good Manners Dear Terry: "...Does a Korean use -nim as a Japanese uses -san? i.e. in business communications the Japanese address me as Terry-san and I address them as lastname-san. But I haven't been doing that w/nim for my business contacts with Korea. ..." I would. I don't believe that one could be TO polite and I think it would show a good deal of desire on your part to respect the standing of the person with whom you are dealing. All to the good. Bruce ------------------------------ From: "Patrick L" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:44:30 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: 3000 + Hapkido Technique Mr. Sims, >The next time someone starts handing you this crap about thousands of >techniques, try that response people use when confronted about starving >children in China. Ask your source to identify all 3000 techniques. Unless, >of course you have one of those "i-gotta-secret"- teacher types. Then, my >friend, you may be in REAL trouble.< Our fundamental difference seems to be one of forbearance. Accept for a moment the possibility that harmony (coordination) is a desirable personal emotional state. When someone says to me they know 3000+ technique, I smile and say; "My that's wonderful." When someone says to me they know secret technique, I smile and say; "My that's wonderful." Why do I say "wonderful"? because it is nicer than BULLS**T. In 30+ years I have learned a large number of technique. I do not judge my "martialness" on the number. I have acquired a small number (less than 40) "secret" technique. I do not judge my "martialness" by those either. The most important lesson I have to teach is Harmony. The most important lesson I have to learn is Harmony. I have seen GM's spend whole lives teaching it - - and never learning it. I hope I do not end up one of them. Getting in the WAY, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:43:41 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Seminar Education This is a topic that comes up from time to time, usually in a derogatory manner. People today seem to degrade those who study aspects of a martial art by seminar learning vs day to day education with a instructor. A basis of martial arts education should come from a qualified martial arts instructor this I will never deny. However, what if you already have that base education. If a qualified highly developed martial artist from one martial art begins a study of another, can they develop and incorporate aspects of the 2nd art into their matrix, even if they only gleaned the information from a full day seminar or a series of seminars. Can a strong basis be developed from the observation of technique? Does this observation HAVE to be live observation or can it be taped? As person progress and trains and develops the techniques of the secondary art occasional correction and observation by others can help improve technique. Can this correction be attained at later seminars or individual training with a specific master? ------------------------------ From: Bernard G Redfield Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:32:50 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Nim/ Sir <<<>>> Thankyou Sabum Nim Seo,or Steve Seo Sabum Nim? So then If I am addressing a Kwan founder it would be with the honorific "nim"in the title(Kwan Jhang Nim) even though I would be starting the letter body with Sir, correct? Just nailing it down for some of the challenged .: ) Respects Bernard ------------------------------ From: "Ron Bain" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:36:36 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Dojangs in Denver Can anyone recommend any Tang Soo Do or Hapkido schools in the Denver Colorado area? Thanks Ron ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:22:14 PDT Subject: the_dojang: painting List will be slow... painting the house... 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