From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #422 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 20 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 422 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: cross-training in forms the_dojang: Thanks again! the_dojang: Re: KSW / KSHKD? the_dojang: Kicho the_dojang: Timing the_dojang: to Rudy... name of GM of Canadian KSW the_dojang: Hyungs the_dojang: thoughts & stuff Re: the_dojang: Re: KSW / KSHKD? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #416 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mary Braud Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:20:11 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: cross-training in forms My dojang rotates patterns every belt test for orange belt through red belt. We learn tae-guk, pal-gwe, and chung-ji (sp?). I like this arrangement because there are specific differences between each set of patterns in the way it is performed. I think it exposes the student to many more combinations than would typically be done. After a student becomes a cho-dan-bo he is required to relearn all the tae-guk forms, and a cho-dan (il dan) is required to relearn all the pal-gwe forms. The chung-ji forms are for 3rd dan and higher. IMHO, I think the tae-guk forms are much easier to learn. They seem to follow a natural order. And I think the chung-ji forms are the hardest. When I was a 1st red testing for 1st part cho-dan-bo, I had the chung-ji form chung-mu (sp?). Now that I know both, I do believe tae-guk pal jang would have been much easier... Just my two cents! Best Regards, Mary > From: SungPaeKi@aol.com > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:03:20 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: Nung-Suk Forms > > >Are there people on this list that cross train and know more than one set of > >patterns. ------------------------------ From: "Jim Jansen" Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:47:18 +1000 Subject: the_dojang: Thanks again! I am eternally grateful for the answers to my other questions! Thanks again. Sure enough, another one has risen. I has located a school to start with. It is the ITF or BaiRui. Aparently it is the original style founded by Mr General Choi. I was wondering if it is a good style of taekwondo, (well being the original!), and also if it is actually indeed the first style of TKD . Thankyou.. - -JimmyJansen _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:10:20 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: KSW / KSHKD? I just watched a videorecording from this year`s Martial Arts Festival in Paris (Bercy), where GM Seo In Sun gave a demonstration with a Korean Kuk Sool Won team. There were two things that really caught my attention (besides their amazing abilities, of course ;) - the group was announced as "Kuk Sool Hapkido" and they wore "Ki Do Hae" writing and logo on the back instead of KSW. Any comments from KSW friends here? (BTW the TV commentary was still about Kuk Sool Won and not Kuk Sool Hapkido, however I only had Polish version available). I`m just curious since this is the first time when I hear about "Kuk Sool Hapkido" in connection to KSW and Kidohae. Best regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:10:47 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Kicho Richard writes: > those that were taught by GM Richard Chun and shown in his volume one and two > of Moo Duk Kwan Tae Kwon Do. I was actually taught five or six separate kicho > forms when I was in TKD. Hello Richard: Please forgive the lack of titles. I understand that most subscribers like to be on a first name basis. I am just fine with that. From what I am reading, there must have been some additional hyung added since I last observed them. I guess its been a while:) Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:25:41 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Timing DS writes: > I feel matching pace is valuable > because it allows development of the ability to not only concentrate on one's > own actions, but also having to coordinate with the movements of others > outside one's control. Hello DS: You are correct. We also practice forms in unison to develop peripheral vision and the hearing senses etc. It is just that I also make sure to allow folks with different strokes to do it at their own pace for perfection. It is especially important when training with weapons. I'd hate to be responsible for someone getting gored by being out of synch. Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: "teepee" Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:53:23 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: to Rudy... name of GM of Canadian KSW Rudy... I have to make a correction to an earlier post with regards to the name of our GM for the Canadian KSW schools. I earlier told you that his name is Sun... That was a mis-remembering of his name. In talking to a colleague at my school, I was corrected in that his name is (and I'm probably butchering the transliteration) Chae, Dae Shik. I apologize if my earlier post caused any confusion. Terry ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 05:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Hyungs Dear Joshua and list, First Kicho Hyungs - I believe in TSD are the same as The Taikkuku(sp?) "first cause" kata created by Funakoshi Sensei as beginner forms to be taught before the Heian (Pyung Ahn) set. If you look at Funakoshi's book that includes the kata, and GM Kang Uk Lee's TSD book, I believe you will find them to be the same motions. As TSD IMHO is Korean(ized) Karate a good number of TSD orgs do the Kicho (First Cause) set (1-3). I would roughly translate Kicho as Basic and Kibon as foundation (more or less) so either name is appropriate for beginner patterns. Many orgs have adopted the two forms per rank progression, and thus may have 4,5 or 6 Kicho hyungs, either created by the Kwan Jang, or borrowed from another set. As for me and Joshua's question. I started in Jhoon Rhee TKD in 1985 when the Chang Hon Hyungs where being used Chon Ji (et al) with the "martial ballet" patterns; Exodus, Beethoven, Granada, etc. Starting in TSD in 1989 I had to learn all new forms. In 1994 I began cross training in Hapkido Sun Moo Kwan, which has an entirely different set of forms. At first I found it confusing as TSD (Karate) hyungs tend to me more linear and semi-hard style, while HKD hyungs tend to be more fluid and soft style. IMHO the soft style HKD hyungs practice has improved the fluidity in my TSD Hyungs :-) Master Hodder may have more to say about learning different forms sets as I believe his training spans MDK TKD, Chang Hon, Palgue and Tae Gyuk... Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "phil" Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:11:53 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: thoughts & stuff I have been teaching full time for 8-9 years and a full time school owner for the last 5 years. I constantly question my thoughts and actions as to my direction and what I am teaching my students. When a senior student quits. I take it personally, like maybe I didn't meet their needs or failed as an instructor in some way. As I was pondering things last night I came to this conclusion. "As an instructor, what's important is not the number of students you have, but the number of lives that you've touched." Phil ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 7:27:38 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: KSW / KSHKD? > I`m just curious since this is the first time when I hear about "Kuk Sool > Hapkido" in connection to KSW and Kidohae. I believe that KSH is the style and KSW is the organization. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:31:23 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #416 Are there any Texan's on the list? A wonderful family of 3 is moving from Pennsylvania to Texas (Corpus Christi (-Sp.?) in a week. The 3 of them have been training together in Tang Soo Do for over a year now and would like to continue training when they move. They are looking for a school with a similar, well-rounded curriculum (Sparring, self-defense, one-step, hyung (forms/patterns) grab-escape etc.) Paula, the mother had looked through the phone book while visiting her new area, but could only find Tae Kwon Do. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I will miss them dearly, so knowing they have found a place to train would make me feel a lot better... Thanks in advance- Cheree ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 8:07:50 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #422 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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