From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #427 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 22 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 427 In this issue: the_dojang: Is there a such thing as over training??? the_dojang: Re: Gen. Choi (was ITF in Seoul) the_dojang: certs Re: the_dojang: Re: Gen. Choi (was ITF in Seoul) the_dojang: Re: WTF certificates Re: the_dojang: KSR 2001-10: _Constructing "Korean" Origins_, by Hyung Il Pai the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #426 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dizzy S." Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:45:59 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Is there a such thing as over training??? Hiya all. I was pondering my last post. I looked back at my training so far. I realized this isn't the first time I got hurt (or hurt myself lol). I pulled a muscle on the back of my knee (prolly from not "controlling" my kicks or from not "stopping" a kick before it "locked out"). I got brused up from falls (I was determined to learn how to fall right lol). As a white belt, I trained 6 days a week! About midway through training as a orange belt, I dropped it to 4 days, but I still might take two classes in a row (if the schedule allows it .... intermediate, then the adult class together). As a green belt, I have to learn more (two forms .... bo staff and empty hand .... instead of one, more one-steps, and now the new self defence). I started taking two classes a day, usually monday & friday, plus two more days on top of it. Not to mention the special classes or clinics (for sparring, breaking, self defence, ect) I attend. I got yelled at before for "learning too much". I know stuff I'm not supposed to know yet, plus "tricks", as they call it in MA. Someone asked me the other day if I lived at the dojang. They were serious! My question is, do I over train? Is there a such thing??? Tang Soo! Dizzy 6th gup TSD www.imahq.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:10:57 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Gen. Choi (was ITF in Seoul) > > Difficult to not give Major General Choi credit for his early influence over > the KTA, but clearly his huge ego got in his way, over and over again. > > Ray Terry > raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > Let me ask you Ray -- have you ever met Major General Choi (Ret.)? Have you been on the dojang floor with him or had a meal with him? Just curious, Robert Martin 4th Dan ITF ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:55:22 PDT Subject: the_dojang: certs Joshua, > My certificate has a picture of the kukiwon in the center. On the top it > has the Korean flag and the USA flag, with ... That would not be a Kukkiwon cert. But it is perhaps a Chang Moo Kwan cert. I'm checking with someone that would know. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:23:00 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Gen. Choi (was ITF in Seoul) > Let me ask you Ray -- have you ever met Major General Choi (Ret.)? Yes. > Have you been on the dojang floor with him On the same dojang floor. But since I wasn't ITF I wasn't permitted to participate. > or had a meal with him? No. I assume these questions are wrt my statement about Major General Choi's ego. Is there any doubt? Just read (as I recall you have) his autobiography. There seems to be little need to go further. Please do not (again :) take my statements as dislike of ITF TKD or of Major General Choi. For one, I admire the standardization seemingly found in ITF TKD. But many of the early KMA leaders, yes, including Major General Choi, did things and/or behaved in ways that they cannot, or should not, be proud of. Just as probably most of us have. After all, we're only human. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 06:46:27 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: WTF certificates > That's what my certificate looks like, if I had a scanner I'd send it to > you. Maybe its an older one I don't know, Maybe it's one just used by > AAKMA. Does anyone know if there is anyway that I can check the serial > number somewhere? > > Joshua Cather Hi Joshua, the certificate you described is not a Kukkiwon certificate (often called WTF certificate). It seems to be only your Association`s one. Of course this is not intended to be derogatory in any way, just an information. Best regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:16:44 EDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: KSR 2001-10: _Constructing "Korean" Origins_, by Hyung Il Pai First, I want to thank Ray for these little items -- it helps to flash out my limited understanding of Korean as a nation. Now, It's clear that the Japanese occupation of the Korean Peninsular was tha main reason for the strident Korean nationalism we saw in the post W.W.II period and beyond. Has anyone done a study on exactly how much damage the occupation did to the Korean people and their culture? And, by the review, there is still a Japanese influence in the older members of S. Korean society. Is there any chance of someone taking an (qusi)objective look at Korean history, or has the Japanese occupation and fervernt Korean nationalism made such an attempt impossible anytime soon? This ties back to the history of KMA. It seems to me (Rightly or wrongly) that both JMA and CHA's have MAs whose histories are less ...strident. Has the events in the last century made KMA histories less tangible? Are their such intense discussion about MA history among those who pratice FMA's, JMA's, CMA's, or any other non-Korean MA? Just trying to generate a subject for discussion..... The Other Craig ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:48:18 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #426 Dear Patrick: "...I no longer think of Hapkido as Korean MA - I think of it as MY MA. When a Korean GM (that I greatly respect) taught us Nunchuck in the 70's because they became popular, I smiled, paid my fee for the seminar, and said "That is marvelous"...." Thats fine. If this is your position on this matter who am I to attempt to dissuade you into accepting any other position? I suppose I could say that your comments seem to reflect a rather superficial and self-serving interpretation of what you are doing, but then you could easily turn around and say the same thing of me. Whats the point? If you prefer Japanese Kendo to Korean Kumdo or wish to practice nunchaku, tonfa or anything else, I certainly would encourage your efforts. If you want to represent such things as Korean MA you are free to do that as well. You would, of course, be incorrect but being incorrect has not stopped a number of individuals, even well-placed Korean personalities from playing fast and loose with Korean culture. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 7:43:57 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #427 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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