From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #429 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 23 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 429 In this issue: the_dojang: Korean Roundhouse kick vs Japanese Roundhouse kick the_dojang: Training the_dojang: cert question Re: the_dojang: Korean Roundhouse kick vs Japanese Roundhouse kick the_dojang: RE: Stretching the_dojang: RE: Integrating the Art the_dojang: Gen Choi autobiography Re: the_dojang: Gen Choi autobiography the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Prince Loeffler" Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:56:48 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Korean Roundhouse kick vs Japanese Roundhouse kick Hi all !!! Just for the purpose of learning and deeper understanding , I am curious as to what this group knows about the differences between a Korean Roundhouse kick and the Japanese Roundhouse kick. As we all know that the Korean roundhouse uses the instep, while the Japanese emphazise with the base of toes. I'd like to know the following: 1) The advantages and the disadvantage. 2) which of the kick is considered to be more effective in real life combat 3) Which kick allows more flexibility 4) what target would you use the kicks for Disclaimer: before this ever gets into the flame war of "the Korean kick sucks" " The japanese kicks sucks" Please understand that this question is not about who's style is better, I like the whites belts all the way thru the 10 degree blackbelts to share what they know. Sincerely P. Loeffler ------------------------------ From: "Dizzy S." Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:56:25 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Training Rudy wrote: <> I do practice what I've been taught A LOT lol. By no means I think I'm perfect or I wouldn't be there as much as I am lol. <> Oops. I do the same thing (hanging my head in shame), but I can remember ALL my forms, ect. I do them so much to try to get them "perfect" .... well, it's worth the effort anyways. No one's perfect lol. <> We have a Blackbelt instructor like that. He is an "instegator", I call him. He will do something "fancy", and I would say something like "That was awsome" or "how'd you do that?" and he would actually show me. I also have an instructor who won't "let" me do anything over my belt level. Then again, there's another who "knows" my abilities, and "lets" me. I have a three way street here lol. <> For real? Wow! If I could "live" at my dojang, it would be awsome :o) I don't mind working there either (I already do, I clean). Tang Soo! Dizzy 6th gup TSD www.imahq.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:28:58 PDT Subject: the_dojang: cert question Re the certification question that came up a few issues back, I received this response from a TKD Grandmaster... "I am familiar with the description of the certificate and the logo which you forwarded to me. A few years ago blank certificates with such logos were available for purchase in Korea. ..... Chang Moo Kwan certificates are completely different in logo and ornamentation. One thing which is the most important element is the signature of GM Un Yong Kim (WTF) and of the late GM Nam Suk Lee (CMK). The description which you forwarded does not mention any signatures which makes me suspect that it is a privately issued certificate." Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:33:05 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Korean Roundhouse kick vs Japanese Roundhouse kick > Just for the purpose of learning and deeper understanding , I am curious as > to what this group knows about the differences between a Korean Roundhouse > kick and the Japanese Roundhouse kick. As we all know that the Korean > roundhouse uses the instep, while the Japanese emphazise with the base of > toes. I'll just mention briefly the Korean roundhouse can be with either the instep or the ball of the foot, it is not an instep only kick. Use the ball of the foot for power breaks and better penetration into the target or between blocking arms. Other thoughts? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: miguel@garciatkd.com Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:08 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Stretching - ------=_unique-boundary-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > From: Dean Johnson > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:33:36 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: the_dojang: TSD kicking technique and streches > > Could anyone point me to books, video or internet > resources that would give me information on proper > kicking technique for TSD-style kicks (instruction, > drills, stretching **especially stretching**). I am > 10th Gup and would like to supplement my > solo-practices with such a guide. > > Ko Mup Sum Ne Da > Tang Soo! > Dean, If you would like to take a peek at Thomas Kurz's writing on stretching, check out links at http:\\garciatkd.com\links.htm Miguel Garcia's Tae Kwon Do http:\\www.garciatkd.com ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:51:31 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Integrating the Art Mr. Ward noted to Mr. Myers about the ATA: >I would have to respectfuly disagree with the hiding of the ATA being an >integrated art. The techniques of Eskrima were taken and called Korean stick >fighting. In my 16+ years with the ATA it has *never* been presented to me that the ATA was pretending that everything was Korean. In fact, my instrucutor (Vice Chairman of Instruction) has even noted that rather than reinvent the wheel on some of the more recently introduced material, they train with others who were more familiar with those techniques. For example, when we first leaned knife defenses, we were actually taught that "in the Fapilino Martial Arts......" Don't get me wrong, the ATA is not trying to BE these other arts, nor are they trying to pretend that the ATA came up with all this. They are however, I believe, attempting to make available to the student a variety of material that may be of interest to them. Thus the recent agreement with Krav Maga. Yes, the ATA began with TKD, so it is natural to use Korean terminology to refer to our various training. So Bong Mahng-Ee, and Double Bong Mahng-Ee imply single and double stick. It does not imply Korean Stick Fighting, IMHO. To other ATA'ers: do our weapon forms actually have Korean names, or are they just "The Single Stick Form" etc.....??? In fact, the ATA may be getting so "Integrated" that it may be hard to do *just* TKD. Mark mark.lasich@alcoa.com ------------------------------ From: danny Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 06:42:25 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Gen Choi autobiography > I assume these questions are wrt my statement about Major General Choi's > ego. Is there any doubt? Just read (as I recall you have) his > autobiography. There seems to be little need to go further. > > Ray Terry > raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > Mr. Terry, (Please forgive the double-post if it shows up. I forgot the subject line in the first) Are you saying that there is something wrong with the General because he has a strong ego? Because he published his autobiography? I agree that to accomplish all that he has in his lifetime requires a strong ego. So does publishing an autobiography. And sure strong egos rub some people the wrong way. But regarding a strong ego, what is wrong with that? - -danny ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 7:27:18 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Gen Choi autobiography > Are you saying that there is something wrong with the General because he has > a strong ego? An ego can be a good thing. But his appears to be HUGE. That has been a problem for him over the years, esp his time in Korea. > Because he published his autobiography? Heavens no, of course not. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 7:36:27 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #429 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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