From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #437 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 25 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 437 In this issue: the_dojang: RE:Korea Times Sports the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #436 the_dojang: Re: Meditation? the_dojang: Pivot the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #432 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #434 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #435 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #436 the_dojang: World Taekwondo Association Re: the_dojang: World Taekwondo Association the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:06:06 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE:Korea Times Sports Dear Ray: A little bit ago someone made the comment about not becoming too "cerebral" regarding our discussions here on the DD Net. Thank you for posting that "brief history" from the Korea Times. I think it makes my argument far better than did I. I believe that whenever we cease to use our intelligence we leave a vacuum which nature (human or otherwise works to fill). In the case of the article you posted I am not taking issue with the content specifically. People have argued this material about the historical roots of TaeKwonDo back and forth for years. Instead I would point out the way in which the position is made and supported. I am passing familiar with the tombs cited in the article and have read enough to know that even authorities are unsure of exactly what that figures are doing. I suppose that with my background I would see Hapkido, where someone else would see Chaun fa, Taek Kyon, or even Egyptian wrestling. Nor did it escape my attention that "taekwondo" was being used as a synonym for a number of activites including soo bahk, taek kyon, & kwon bop. Nor did I overlook the suggestion that the Chinese arts as well as the Okinawan and Japanese arts could all owe their genesis to Korean culture. As I say I am commenting not so much regarding the article and its conclusions but rather the manner in which those conclusions were drawn. As I mentioned in a post earlier I believe we owe it to ourselves, each other and our arts to do more than take such material as this article at face value and as fact. I think we honor our commitment to the arts when we delve into our heritage, research the facts and share the results with other members of the community in all their simple, unromantic elegance. I would encourage anyone who would like to make a difference in MA but does not know where to start, to take the article you posted and begin to look up each of the points the article presents and compare their personal results with what they have been led to believe---- before they started thinking for themselves. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "donna galster" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:22:10 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #436 >From: "Mac" >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:59:41 -0500 >Subject: the_dojang: Round house kick > ><< Great if you're wearing cowboy boots (here in >Texas, that's not uncommon).>> > >David, I always wear cowboy boots too - pointed toes and large heals - >great for kicking. They come in handy for motorcycle riding too Dennis. I hope you've done a lot of it this summer. I know I have. Donna _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: jonathan2k@ns.sympatico.ca (Jonathan Primack) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:28:04 -0300 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Meditation? Re: Meditation? To begin meditation you should sit with your legs folded under your body so your siting on your knees or just with your legs crossed. Then touch your middle finger to your thumb,be sure to rest your hands on your knees. Then with your eyes closed bow your head and take in deep breaths dont think of anything but your traning if you can lissin to water running mabey in i near by stream or soft music and those are the beggining stages of medatation and then as time go's on you will progress and learn how to change your mouds around. ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:55:36 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Pivot Mark writes: > I have always pivoted DURING the kick, but some TKD's teach to plant the > base foot with the toes away, then throw the kick! I believe the hip action > of pivoting with the kick adds much more power! Hello Mark: IMHO, not only does it give more power, pivoting first gives away the move before you have even started it. Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:12:18 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #432 << Along the same lines I have a question. I was wondering how many people kick with their foot pivoted 180 degrees (so foot pointed directly away from kick) as opposed to 90 degrees or less? Is this a Japanese or Korean thing? Or is this a personal preference thing? I can see there are benefits to kicking both ways, but I think not pivoting 180 degrees puts a lot of strain on the knee. This is not meant as an attack on not pivoting just my observation, and questions for those of you who dont pivot 180 degrees. >> I am a Tang Soo Do practioner. I was taught to pivot 180 while round-kicking from day 1. I was not taught to pivot at all in the Japanese style I studied prior to Tang Soo Do, however, that may have been due to lack of teaching skill, not particular to the actual technique itself. I can round-kick without pivoting, however it HURTS and it is less powerful. ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:28:33 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #434 The animal represented in the Pyong Ahn forms is a turtle. The forms are supposed to show: calmness, confidence in ablility, comfort w/ surroundings and balance (be it physical or emotional). ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:36:54 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #435 << or do you let your base leg pivot DURING the kick so that everything ends together. >> When students begin they are taught to begin to pivot before they even pick up the knee. I suppose this is to make the student consciously aware of good, joint-saving technique. After momentarily jumping out of my office chair, I am now consciously aware that I still pivot slightly before bringing my knee up, then pivot through to 180 as I kick...and my co-workers think I am strange... :0 o - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: "Clifford Vaught" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:52:00 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #436 Mark, What exactly does "copyrighted" mean in the context of forms? Is this like "secret" knowledge? Does that mean that if I videotape a copyrighted form and learn it, I can't teach it? Actually, I'm just aghast - part of getting together as a group of martial artists should involve sharing. Go copyright textbooks, posters, logo's, even uniform and patch designs. But the art - that should be open to all. Soo Bahk!! Cliff - ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:42:41 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Teaching Forms? I know that some forms are 'copyrighted' (i.e. ATA Songahm TKD), so teaching them outside their schools is not permitted. Are other forms copyrighted and equally not allowed to be taught outside their respective associations? In the arts, Mark mark.lasich@alcoa.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:38:41 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: World Taekwondo Association I have just moved to Charleston, South Carolina and am looking at TKD schools in the area. I have 2.5 years of traditional TKD instruction. There are several schools in the area that teach TKD. One is Mr. Ray Smith a USTU/WTF instructor. Another is Dr. Jack Emmel M.D. he is associated with the World Taekwondo Association. Is anyone familiar with this association? The founder is GM Duk Sung Son. What forms does GM Son teach? Brian Woodard Robert Bosch Corporation brian.woodard@us.bosch.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:19:35 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: World Taekwondo Association > the World Taekwondo Association. Is anyone familiar with this association? > The founder is GM Duk Sung Son. What forms does GM Son teach? GM Duk Sung Son is/was Chung Do Kwan. I believe they do the pyeong-ahn forms. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:20:43 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #437 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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