From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #438 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 25 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 438 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Pivoting for kicks the_dojang: Copyright THIS!!! the_dojang: GM Son and Pyeong-ahn forms the_dojang: Kickin' Boots the_dojang: Round Kick the_dojang: Meditatiion Re: the_dojang: GM Son and Pyeong-ahn forms the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:56:13 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Pivoting for kicks Bruce, I was just thinking the same thing the other day. Actually, one of my BB's called it to my attention that I didn't focus on the degrees of pivot for the supporting foot as I did a few years back. And I don't. I just wondered, you being the analytical person you are, what changes have you noticed in your students and the way they pivot the supporting foot at say intermediate color and cho dan levels now that you don't specify an amount of pivot. I think it just about works out the same by cho dan level in my experience. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:17:49 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Copyright THIS!!! In regards to this business (pun intended) about the ATA copyrighting it's forms. Are there any attorneys on the list that can attest to the legality of copyrighting a martial arts form? When I first heard about this, I was assuming that the NAMES of the forms were copyrighted...but additional comments have led me to believe that the actual FORM itself is copyrighted. Is this possible? How do you copyright a series of bodily movements? If this is possible, I'm going to copyright all of the boxing combinations that I can think of, and then force Roy Jones, Lennox Lewis, et al to pay me a royalty fee for using these combos in a fight. Maybe I can copyright the motion of snapping a football between ones legs, and then make the NFL pony up just to get their season going. Ohhhhhh...I be so smart!!! This is better than selling Grit magazine! Seriously, what's up with this. Craig "My Trademarked Flying Crane Technique is Superior...HIYAHHHH" Stovall _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "T. Kennelly" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:18:07 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: GM Son and Pyeong-ahn forms Ray, I would have thought that Chung Do Kwan Taekowndoists would learn TaeGuek rather than Pyeong-ahn forms. I suspect that GM Son, having been the second GM of Chung Do Kwan, is more traditional that other Chung Do Kwan instructors and has not changed to Tae Guek, is this true? > Subject: Re: the_dojang: World Taekwondo Association > > > the World Taekwondo Association. Is anyone familiar with this association? > > The founder is GM Duk Sung Son. What forms does GM Son teach? > > GM Duk Sung Son is/was Chung Do Kwan. I believe they do the pyeong-ahn forms. > > Ray Terry ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:22:47 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Kickin' Boots >David, I always wear cowboy boots too - pointed toes and large heals - >great for kicking. <> Hi Donna. Yup, my Harley Davidson ridin' boots are cowboy boots with an oil resistant sole. Regular boots with leather soles are very slippery on asphalt. It's been very hot here in Houston, and my bike's been a bit on the blink and I don't want to get stuck out in the middle of nowhere. I did re-charge the battery yesterday and I was planning on taking out my stele horse for a ride this weekend. I know there are several members of the DD that ride, too bad we can't get together for a group ride sometime. Imagine that - riding with fellow martial artists and working out together - best of both worlds :-) Mac ------------------------------ From: hogwldfltr@cs.com Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:42:42 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Round Kick In the school I practice at, the issue of the contact point for a round house kick came up in a discussion I had with the individual leading a hapkido class. He comes from a newer background then mine. When I was first instructed I was always told that the best round house kick was with the ball of the foot. I was most impressed by a visiting black belt from Korea. His kick was like being hit with a hammer. I've not seen anyone as proficient at delivering the kick with the ball of the foot. We also launched most kicks from the leg being held perpendicular to the ground, knee up high in front. This position can go into most of the kicks and as someone else pointed out it doesn't telegraph the kick. Unfortunately I have some problems with my feet stemming from birth which prevent me from bending my toes far enough back to stike with the ball. The advantage for striking with the instep is that in sparring it makes a louder noise and a longer reach. We brought the question of whic! h was better to Master Kim. I had said that the correct strike was with the ball. He gave me some history on the development of the kick. Initally all round kicks were with the ball of the foot. The chest protectors of old were made of bamboo or wood and canvas. If you contacted them hard with the instep you could be disabled. It wasn't until the advent of the new foam padded equipment that the kick evolved to a instep kick. The instep is more effective in a sparring situation; less effective if you're trying to damage someone. We were practicing kick defenses and takedowns when I accidentally contacted an elbow with an instep round house kick. It hurt for over a month when ever I went running. Frankly I reserve the kick for sparring or when I'm wearing cowboy boots. I hope in sparring I don't get blocked with an elbow. Does anyone have a preference for front leg round kicks? - -Lee (from months of hiding) Tucson ------------------------------ From: "BMichaelis" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:13:37 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Meditatiion A very simple meditation practice involves counting your breath. One count when you inhale, one when you exhale. When you reach ten, you start counting again. Sitting on a cushion with your legs crossed and touching the floor will put your spine into a neutral position, which makes it easier to sit comfortably for long periods of time. If you practice your meditation while laying down, you very likely will fall asleep as you relax. That's not a bad thing, but it's not meditating either. A very good describing mediation is "The Zen Way to the Martial Arts", by Taisen Deshimaru. Bob Michaelis ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:07:16 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: GM Son and Pyeong-ahn forms > Ray, I would have thought that Chung Do Kwan Taekowndoists would learn > TaeGuek rather than Pyeong-ahn forms. I suspect that GM Son, having been > the second GM of Chung Do Kwan, is more traditional that other Chung Do Kwan > instructors and has not changed to Tae Guek, is this true? > >> Subject: Re: the_dojang: World Taekwondo Association >> >>> the World Taekwondo Association. Is anyone familiar with this association? >>> The founder is GM Duk Sung Son. What forms does GM Son teach? >> >> GM Duk Sung Son is/was Chung Do Kwan. I believe they do the pyeong-ahn forms. Sorry. I meant to imply that I thought 'they' (the WTA) did the pyeong-ahn forms, not that 'they' (Chung Do Kwan folks) did the old forms. Not even absolutely sure if the WTA still does the old forms or not. That is just what runs in my mind. Anyone know for sure? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:10:29 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #438 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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